Talk:Apple Mighty Mouse

Lawsuit
Not sure if I added that section correctly. I just put in a one paragraph summation of the refference. My first real page edit, so sorry if I screwed that up. - Hellkyte

GENERAL
Does anybody know off hand the main patent number for this product? --Fastfission 00:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Does the Mighty Mouse ship with Apple computers?
 * No, it does not. The standard mouse for Apple computers is still a single-button optical mouse. Garrett Albright 00:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Although it does now. ThomasHarte 17:08, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

LED "Easter Egg"
"Easter egg: If you lift the Mighty Mouse and look at the light projected from it, it resembles an image of a mouse."

This appears coincidental -- the reference to it being an easter egg seems specious at best.


 * I agree. I have reproduced this same effect using both a generic mouse and a Microsoft one. It'd say it's more a case of someone trying to find meaning in the meaningless. Dazcha 02:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed it. The reference was hardly a definitive source on the matter, and I fail to see how the optical design is different from any other mouse. Unless a reliable source can be found that proves this is some kind of easter egg then it shouldn't be re-added. NcSchu ( Talk ) 16:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Speaker
There is indeed a speaker. Matteo 16:11, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Why? Hippo X 21:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So that people can get feedback after they click. But is there some way to turn it off?? Althepal 20:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Physical vs virtual buttons
Shouldnt someone mention that the Mighty mouse has only one physical button, but hs finger sensors to determine which button you are pressing? I dont know hwere to put it.

Bluetooth ?
Does Apple make a bluetooth wireless version of the Mighty Mouse? --bigjarom 06:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No. --huwr 07:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, they do as of July 2006. FloBrio 05:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Removable finger?
Until I read the article about the Mighty Mouse, I had always wondered why Apple had always insisted on using only one mouse button. Luckily, Paulius' enlightening comment explains it all. I quote: "Usually, a user will use two fingers to left click and then remove the left finger for double-clicking."

I seemed to have coincidentally discovered the reason behind one of the biggest mysteries of Apple: Apple users remove their fingers to click! Apparantly its pretty hard to hit little buttons if you only have a palm left.

I'm just messing around; I suggest it be mentioned that the mouse has only one button, though can detect which side of the button is pressed using a pressure pad. I don't think most users left-click with two fingers, or use their index finger to right-click (regardless, this is not factual or relevant), but that the feature is simply disabled to prevent unexpected results from inexperienced users.


 * Simply enough, this just makes sense considering that Mac users come from a one-button use case. With the "secondary click only if left finger lifted" approach, a classic Mac user using its mighty mouse as a one button mouse (thus potentially clicking with the whole top area at once) will never generate an unintended mouse event, be it primary+secondary or tertiary button event. This is smart evolutive design, just as "double finger+click" for secondary click on the multi touch pads on the MacBooks.
 * Besides, knowing this behavior relieves me of some RSI pain, as I now either press left and right or just touch left and click right to produce a primary click. This (personnally) feels more natural in my hand and arm, which I just let go of its own weight with a slight variation to produce either left or right click, where clicking the PC way just feels forced upon my wrist, especially at the end of the day Lloeki (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

That pesky little ball
As anyone that's owned one will probably attest, the scroll ball is terribly difficult to keep operational because of dirt. Apple's site details a method of cleaning that ... doesn't always work. There are really no comprehensive guides to cleaning it, rather several methods that "worked for the author." Since this is potentially warranty-voilating, and against product advice, I'm not sure about putting it on the main page (which does link to one of the aforementioned cleaning guides). So here's a list of the methods that seem to work, I'll leave it to someone else as to whether it's article-worthy.


 * 1. Apple's method.  Cleaning with moist cloth, possibly upside down
 * 2. Extending on Apple's instructions, many people find that really vigorously rotating the ball while upside down will loosen debris.  Wash hands with soap to remove the oil, and rotate it against the palm while pressing down.  Might take 10-15 minutes of constant rolling
 * 3. Try compressed air, blowing directly into the seam around the ball, while gently rolling and depressing ball
 * 4. Use a gentle detergent on a moist cloth.  Probably a last resort, but it will break up oil.
 * 5. Instructions on dismantling and cleaning the mouse if you're pretty confident in your reassembly skills.

Rainman420 09:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Nothing, NOTHING works. Ive tried everything this mouse is about to be melted by a blowtorch made from axe can and lighter.


 * That's because you've used your mouse with dirty hands. I use my mouse in a very dust environment but I always have clean hands...ish. I clean my mouse's ball by attaching some tape to my desk, sticky side up, then rolling the ball back and forth. It's rather effective. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 22:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Re: "dirty hands". That's utter rubbish. The slightest moisture of your skin will cause the ball to cease working. Any and all cleaning methods last for no more than a day or two. In contrast, the scroll ball on Sidekicks and the equivalent Kensington mice is made from harder plastic rather than soft rubber and oddly enough, works perfectly. Kar98 (talk) 00:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Laser version
Is this potentially dangerous with the laser mice? I assume you don't see a mouse in any case? Nil Einne 20:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the laser is invisible - it uses infra-red light (I presume, as UV lasers are rare/expensive/don't exist). Secondly, when the mouse is lifted off a surface, the laser is switched off so as to a)save power and b)cause no damage. I suppose one could put the laser up to the eye, which would re-enable it, though this may not be wise. smiler 18:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Squeeze buttons hard to reach?
I find it hard to believe that the squeeze buttons are hard to reach. Maybe if you only put your index and middle finger on the mouse, they might be hard to reach, but I would think most people would put their whole on the mouse. Also, it seems strange that one would talk about the squeeze buttons. The side button on the left and the right serve the same purpose and are not differentiated&mdash;that the reviewer, Jacqui Cheng, speaks of the buttons makes me suspect that she was trying to press both buttons at the same time, which I imagine is indeed awkward. I found that at least the way I hold the mouse, the thumb on my right hand is perfectly situated to hit the squeeze button on the left mouse. I suspect that the reason there is a squeeze button on both sides of the mouse is so that it is comfortable for both those who hold the mouse in their left hand and those who hold it in their right. Theshibboleth 10:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's too hard to reach, but it takes too much force to activate. My mouse takes about 1 Newton (100grams) for the normal mouse button, and about 30 Newton (3kg) for the squeeze buttons. I also tried several Mighy Mice in the store, all had a similar high pressure point for the side buttons. Bautze (talk) 13:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make that hard to reach though? Anyhow, my current mouse has side buttons and I had to disable them because I kept clicking them unintentionally. Making them hard to press is a neat way of solving that problem.--Anss123 (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I borrowed one and tried it and couldn't reach the squeeze buttons. You were saying? 72.83.56.224 (talk) 19:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Criticisms
Doesn't the word "Criticism" speak for itself? Why does it need to be explained in the next line, as in "Some users feel that the Mighty Mouse has certain problems. Some of those problems are listed below." I those two sentences are unnecessary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theshibboleth (talk • contribs) 10:17, 20 August 2006.
 * I agree, but I do think it should have at least one little introductory sentence before starting with the list, so I shortened it. I also eliminated some other redundancy in that section and corrected a spelling error. – McDutchie 22:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Cost

 * Mighty Mouse, especially wireless version, cost more than the mice manufactured by other companies. For example, Logitech MediaPlay Cordless Mouse cost only US$49.95 when it was first released in 2004-9-20[6].

Bearing in mind that the wireless Mighty Mouse uses Bluetooth technology, this is hardly a fair comparison. When I looked for Bluetooth wireless mice when buying my Mac, I discovered that the Mighty Mouse is the cheapest full sized Bluetooth mouse available. The only Bluetooth mouse that was cheaper was a Logitech travel mouse - about half the size of a standard mouse. smiler 18:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

comment on Criticisms
re: "In June 2007, CNET named the Puck Mouse as the #1 biggest flop in Apple history (a earlier descendent of the Apple Mighty Mouse.[3]"

what exactly is "a earlier descendent"? how does that work?

also, why should criticisms of the puck mouse be in an article about the mighty mouse? shouldn't the puck mouse have its own page?

Criticisms
Sorry if this is the wrong spot, but a lot of the criticisms refer to the hockey puck mouse that came with the original G3 iMac. While there is a comment saying the puck mouse was an "earlier descendant" (I think they meant ancestor) of the Mighty Mouse, I don't think the puck mouse criticisms are relevant to an article about the mighty mouse.

this mouse freaking sucks, ive had it since nvember 2006, but now the scroll ball dosent work ive tried everything...this is the worst thing apple has ever made

Other uses?
Given the article title is Apple Mighty Mouse, why on earth would this require an other uses link? --Steven Fisher 22:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Started Criticism Section
Started the critcism section, as many have criticised the mouse for faults (side buttons easily activated, scrollball gets dirty easily, you can't hold down both left and right mouse buttons at the same time)... feel free to add more/pad out this section. DBAlex (talk) 22:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Tagged. This is not an appropriate venue to vent one's annoyances at random products. Chris Cunningham (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe if those criticisms remain properly balanced they won't fall in the category Chris mentions. I have just added a new one I hope it follows WP guidelines (I'm newb here), BTW I noticed "citation needed" appended to my paragraph... what one should do to properly sustain an explanation about a fact that seam to arise from personal experience or a limited set of experiences? I actually found myself cherry picking from the web comments in order to make a not very polemic point. What am I doing wrong here... help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by GammaStardust (talk • contribs) 17:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that Wikipedia wants to avoid POV statements. Criticism Section tends to slant towards a negative POV (Example: the criticism section is solely about users having issues with the mouse, no mention of users having a positive criticism - which I'm sure there are.) So unless there's a good reason why the criticism can't be written into the main body of the article we prefer to see the section removed. (See Wikipedia:Criticism)
 * I added the cite-needed template because (for all I know) the criticism could have been original research, which Wikipedia disallows, or outright fabrication.--Anss123 (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

WILCO. Decided to remove the passage altogether since the issue I mention in its essence is related with the the way the OS interacts with the mouse, and _ANY_ mouse for that matter. Thanks for the heads-up on WP etiquete Anss123. Gamma

Integrated Criticism Section
I took the liberty of putting the criticism into the "About the mouse" section as it suggested integrating it in with the rest of the article. The link shown provided logical reasons for criticism of the mouse. However, I think the article might be a little prejudiced. A Criticism section seems silly to me anyways. I haven't used the mouse, so I guess that's going for a neutral statement.--Relyk (talk) 05:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

One button at once
We all know it's only possible to press one button at a time on the Mighty mouse due to the nature of the touch sensor. However, is it even possible to press two buttons at once with a more standard mouse? I tried doing that once in a game in Windows (the only time I've ever needed to do so) and the game only detected whichever button I pressed first. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 22:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Opera documentation mentions mouse gestures that are triggered when the user holds one mouse button and clicks the other. I have also confirmed this personally using All-In-One-Gestures on Firefox 2 (Windows Vista). Idiotwithastick (talk) 23:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * On any mechanical mouse with two buttons, you can use software that monitors the events occuring. What you actually see is that a click is composed of a mouse-down and a mouse-up event.  The click does not fire until the mouse-up.  If you wish to do a chord click (two or more buttons), you can press each button individually (you don't have to be exactly simultaneous) as long as the first button is not released.  The software has to be designed for chordic clicks, but this is what the software would be looking for.  I don't know what might be happening with your Windows game, but maybe you are trying to press and release simultaneously.  Try a deliberate press and wait before releasing (??). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmarshal (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It is possible to press the Mighty Mouse's side-buttons simultaneously with the primary button. Rajje (talk) 13:39, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I know this comment is about 15 years old, but it seems most software registers a dual-click on a standard mouse, but some games and software do not recognize it, but most software (in my experience) usually works when pressing both buttons. For example, pressing the left and right click buttons simultaneously usually renders as a middle click in most software that I have tested. HexLord (talk) 06:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Rechargeable Batteries
Not sure whether it's worth mentioning in the article, but at least the latest model of the Wireless Mighty Mouse runs fine on rechargeable NiMH batteries. Low-self discharge NiMHs seem preferrable. Apparently the mouse will stop draining a battery once the voltage reaches about 1.15V unloaded (voltmeter anyone?) so there is no danger of depth discharging a NiMH battery even when two batteries with different usable capacity are used. Aragorn2 (talk) 16:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I won't object but this probably go against WP:OR.--Anss123 (talk) 18:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Apple Mouse
Apple apparently lost the 'Mighty Mouse' name in a legal battle.

That I'm not 100% sure of, but I'm sure that it's no longer called 'Mighty Mouse' because in the Apple Online Store, they have renamed it to 'Apple Mouse'.

I suggest a move of this article. --MasterOfTheXP (talk) 17:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The only problem is that Apple has another, older mouse named the "Apple Mouse". See the article: Apple Mouse. Airplaneman  talk 01:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

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Good material for reception section
Here, Engadget gives us a great list of links to reviews of the Mighty Mouse; solid starting point if anyone's looking to write a Reception section. DFlhb (talk) 08:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Design
On the third paragraph under the "Design" section, it says, "Currently, Mac OS X is the only operating system that fully supports the mouse without third-party software." I'm not sure if Windows supports it as I don't use it, but it seems to work fine on all of the GNU/Linux distros I have used so far. It most likely works for Windows, but I'm not sure. Has anybody used the wired Apple Mighty Mouse on Windows recently? HexLord (talk) 06:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)