Talk:Apprentice (Magic: The Gathering software)

citation needed re: netdraft
"In Netdraft's early days it was considered buggy and did not always compensate for those with erratic connections."

I developed NetDraft (capital D) in late 1997 or early 1998. I won't dispute that it was considered buggy, but this was mildly frustrating because there were no major bugs once it was publicly available. The perception came from the lack of ability to restore a lost connection; that it "did not always compensate" is a gross understatement. Somehow people thought the missing reconnection feature was a bug. In reality it was simply more than I could handle as an young developer. Spambob 07:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC there were two programs called netdraft. The second came much later (2003?), was much less buggy, was originally known as I-draft and then renamed netdraft. 71.200.57.231 (talk) 01:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 18 November 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Apprentice (Magic: The Gathering software). Consensus on the alternative proposed title. A note of the dab, it takes on the parent topic, therefore "(Magic: The Gathering software)". No move to be made on the second title. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 17:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

– Proper disambiguation format, both articles here are incompletely disambiguated as video games are a type of software. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Apprentice (software) → Apprentice (1998 video game)
 * Apprentice (video game) → Apprentice (2003 video game)
 * Oppose. As far as I can tell from the article, this is not a video game, but correct me if that's wrong. The most that might be needed is hatnotes on each article. Station1 (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is categorized as a video game and has a "Gameplay" section. That looks like a video game to me. Even if you say it isn't a video game, this article is still incompletely-disambiguated, as Apprentice (video game) is also software. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose first, Neutral on second proposal. There's a misty dividing line between software and video games, but Apprentice (and Cockatrice) is much closer to something like Microsoft Excel that you happen to use as scratch paper to simulate a game in. It's not like the Microprose Magic: The Gathering (1997 video game), which is clearly its own video game with its own bells & whistles on top.  The game you play with Apprentice is Magic: The Gathering, and Apprentice was just a tool to enable that.  That said, moving the 2003 game is harmless enough, no opinion there.  SnowFire (talk) 21:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose Even if we determine Apprentice to be a video game, nom has not checked if it passes WP:GNG. I would only move articles if I was sure that it could believably be an article that would not be deleted for non-notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternative since both are software, this one needs renaming. Suggest Apprentice (Magic the Gathering software) and repoint the current title to Apprentice (disambiguation) -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 14:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Works for me. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It should be "Magic: The Gathering software" with the colon and capitalisation, otherwise support this alternative. BegbertBiggs (talk) 12:26, 3 December 2023 (UTC)