Talk:Apu Nahasapeemapetilon/Archive 1

Title, origin, language and name
Maybe we can rename to Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, since he is really the central character of main interest to the whole family.--Sonjaaa 22:12, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Definitely. ed g2s  •  talk  08:38, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The name "Aputo" was inspired by from the character Apu from the Apu Trilogy by Satyajit Ray, the most famous filmic work to come out of india. I think the name Apu (as oppossed to Apu Nahasapeemapetilon) should be reserved for that original character.

"one cannot be both Bengali and Pakistani; also, since he is Indian, he cannot be Pakistani" is not completely true. Bengal was once Pakistan and was earlier India.


 * Wrong. All of Bengal was never part of Pakistan. East Bengal (now Bangladesh) was part of Pakistan before they got their own country. West Bengal, which is where Apu is supposed to be from, is part of India. 24.184.166.238 (talk) 22:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)Kaul


 * On the same note as above, "There are many hidden jokes in the show that play off his hate of Pakistan and Bangladesh, which Apu has been called a 'Jolly Bengali' and, paradoxically, a 'Pakistani'. (one cannot be both Bengali and Pakistani; also, since he is Indian, he cannot be Pakistani)" doesn't seem to make much sense to me - someone who understands it better than I, please rewrite. --Superiority 13:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The joke is probably that Apu is Indian but often other characters refer to him as being Pakistani as well as Bengali to make a joke of their ignorance. It's mabye not written in the clearest way but it does make sense for the most part. It should probably be added back in because I'm pretty sure Apus ethic origin is one of the running jokes in The Simpsons--FlooK 06:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * It is however possible to be an Indian and Bengali as West Bengal (the part that did not got o Pakistan and eventuially become Bangladesh) is a state in India today. Calcutta is the state capital - CalTech!! :)) Thanks, Anit

You can certainly be Bengali and from Bangladesh. You do realize that the world BANGLADESH means Bengal Nation.

The only reason the writers use Jolly Bengali is simply cause it rhymes. Writers will throw away continuity for a one time joke if they feel it's funny enough.

Manjula speaks Hindi but it's never firmly established what Indian language Apu speaks so I removed the sentence "He probably speaks Tamil." 4.142.78.191 22:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)eric

Vegan or vegetarian?
IS Apu vegan or vegetarian? most indians do drink milk, and eat honey.
 * From the epsiode Lisa the Vegetarian:
 * Lisa: When will all those fools learn that you can be perfectly healthy simply eating vegetables, fruits, grains and cheese.
 * Apu: Oh, cheese!
 * Lisa: You don't eat cheese, Apu?
 * Apu: No I don't eat any food that comes from an animal.''
 * So I'd say that means he's vegan. Vclaw 02:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Voice
hey who is apu voiced by in the show


 * Hank Azaria does Apu's voice. rebug (talk) 07:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't want to muddy the waters here, but I'm almost sure Apu is actually voiced by Dan Castellaneta. It sounds more like Dan than Hank, although Dan has been known to voice other characters (such as McBain) when the usual actor isn't available. Danny Darko 15:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

- On the "Inside the Actor's Studio" episode featuring the Simpsons' cast it is made explicitly clear that Hank Azaria does the voice of Apu.Adiosmofo (talk) 14:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't Hindus have to drink milk for some religious festivals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.116.177 (talk) 12:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hindus aren't required to do anything. 24.184.166.238 (talk) 22:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)Kaul

You can find Inside the Actor's Studio mentionned above in Youtube Staarkali (talk) 06:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)Staarkali

Surname
Guys I think the text about the first names/ surname in the family background section is pehaps incorrect - the surname (Nahasapeemapetilon) is very south Indian sounding, where as the first name (Apu) could be Bengali. Thanks, Anit

I'd like to echo Anit. Apu is a Bengali name, but Nahasapeemapetilon is not. Acsenray 21:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Another thing about the surname...In some episodes, for example Treehouse of Horror IX, his name is said "Nahasapasapeemapetilon". Is there any official word on what his last name really is? --CrazySunShine 02:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

(Hmm, the official site says it without the "pasa". I guess it's just one of those things that are given multiple names and overlooked, like the address not always being 742 Evergreen Terrace.) --CrazySunShine 10:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that the 'Nahasa...pasa...peemapetilon' line was a joke to convey the igno..ramo..rance of the speaker.--Anchoress 04:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

External link added
I've added a link to an article about Apu. It is a blog entry, but nevertheless it is a very high-quality piece and one of very few on the topic of Apu. However, if folks feel it isn't worthy of remaining on the main page, here's the link: Much Apu About Nothing--Anchoress 10:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Beaumarché is also a famous french writter

In one episode (I think it was the one where Lisa gets a pony) Apu appears to be sleeping with a woman. Is this true, or was I imagining it? ☺ -- The pathetic AP  clark   Be nice not nasty  18:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The followup: After doing five minutes research, I've managed to track down the episode - Lisa's Pony on The Simpsons Archive and it seems that - as well as the fact Apu is sleeping with someone - that someone is Princess Cashmere (or Kashmir) (from Homer's Night Out). This info is going to be put into the article.

The followup [2]: Seems like it already has. Anyway it can go into the other episodes' articles. ☺ -- The pathetic AP  clark   Be nice not nasty  18:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

On the episode in which apu is to be deported from Springfield, his last name is shown as Nahasapeemapetilan not nahasapeemapetilon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.49.81 (talk) 02:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Apu's first wife?
If I recalll correctly(from what my brother told me), in the episode "Much Apu About Nothing," Apu was already married to a different woman. In the Fox airing of the episode, Apu saying goodbye to his parents in, as well to a rather small woman in a flashback. There was a line from either Apu or the woman that indiciated that she was his wife. However, this scene is cut out in the syndicated episodes; as some of you know, a few seconds of every episode is cut out when shown as reruns on a different network.

I am wondering if this scene can be seen on the DVD release and if it is accruate, should be add this info on Apu's article since it seems like a rather important trivia --Doomzaber 01:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I own the DVD of seaon 7(where this episode aired). That was indeed Manjula, on the commentary though the writer says that was just a one time joke at the time. TJ Spyke 22:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, come again!
Was changed to 'thank you, please come again', and the original labelled 'not quite vandalism. The thing is, I'm pretty sure 'thank you, come again' is correct. A google search for each returns hundreds for '"thank you come again" apu' and 43 for '"thank you please come again" apu'. And I'm watching the Simpsons right now and he just said 'thank you, come again'.--Anchoress 03:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I reverted that because there was a stray line break in it. He definitely uses both phrases though, so how about something like 'thank you, [please] come again'? -- drrngrvy tlk @ 03:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't remember him ever saying please, but I'm definitely not going to be rigid about it, if you are certain he says both, go ahead and add it. Sorry to take so long to reply.--Anchoress 23:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Show me when Apu says 'please.' In addition, show me proof that he uses it just as much as without. Apu's phrase is 'Thank you, come again!' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.235.140 (talk) 04:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Superman
I'm removing the line about Superman having nothing to do with America because he was made by a Canadian, as Clark Kent is American and a very American super hero (works directly for the President sometimes). Highlandlord 07:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Apu de Beaumarchais
The article currently lists this name as a reference to a French author, but I'm more inclined to believe the explanation that I first read in Homer's_Barbershop_Quartet, that it is a reference to the Kwik-E-Mart (de Beaumarchais -> of the good market)


 * That's quite interesting, I agree that the link with Pierre Beaumarchais seems tenuous at best. I looked through that article and cannot see any connection or joke that they may have been using. I don't know much French so I'll have to take your word for the Translation, but if it's accurate then it should be added as a possible explanation, as it does seem much more likely. --Hibernian 03:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Caltech was linking to ...err... you know California Institute of Technology which is a travesty, so I removed the link.

I also changed the Tamil reference to South Indian, since South Indians do tend to have long names; Tamils are one race of people from South India, but there are no specific references anywhere to clearly state that he was Tamil.

I agree this is probably not a reference to the author but because it means Pretty Market => Beau marché => Beaumarchais (French family name). The particule De is used to emphasize the nobility of the name, it is the French equivalent of the Dutch Van (as in Milhouse Van Houten) or German Von Staarkali (talk) 06:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)Staarkali

The Party
I highly doubt that Apu Nahasapeemapetilon was based on Peter Sellers' character in 'The Party'. I say this because his character in that movie - and basically all of the movies he acted in - was not exactly the most intelligent person on earth, was very foolish, and always did stupid things by accident. Simply put: The character was a clutz. Apu's character is far from being a clutz, however, and besides the accent, I really can't see any other similarity. Perhaps that information should be removed. -- Sandwiches99 23:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

why does "apu" redirect here?
This 'apu' character is named after the Apu from India's greatest cinematographic work, (see the "Apu Trilogy" page) the Apu trilogy directed by Satyajit Ray. It seems to me that there should be a little sentence at the top of that page saying "apu" redirects here, for the simpson's character Apu Nahasapeemapetilon click here - not the other way around. 128.252.188.235 14:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Vir
 * Apu simpsons is much more common that the films list here WP:RFD if you feel strongly enough about it (Gnevin 18:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC))

Manjula
Why does manjula redirects here? Its an indian name and a popular kannada movie star...--IndianCow 17:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Manjula is much more common that the films list here WP:RFD if you feel strongly enough about it (Gnevin 18:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC))

Clarification of Name
I just listened to the commentary for Streetcar Named Marge. Jeff Martin refers to Pahasadee Napetilon (as spelled in commentary subtitles), not Pahasa Neemapetilon as previously written. I have changed accordingly. While the pronounciation should now be correct, the spelling from the DVD subtitles is not authoratative -- so please correct if you know proper spellings of these names. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.23.202 (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Age
I don't think Apu is 42. He's definitely younger that that-Jcdizon 19:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It was revealed in Much Apu About Nothing that he was born in February 9, 1964. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.59.112.181 (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC).


 * That is 32 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Praseprase (talk • contribs) 00:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Regional Heritage
I removed the syllogistic line stating that Apu is South Indian because his cousin lives in Bangalore. The logic is weak and uninformed. Bangalore has one of the most regionally diverse populations of any major Indian city. Thus, after "The Jolly Bengali" vignette, his college education in West Bengal, and the fact that he was named after a young Bengali character in the Apu Trilogy, I don't believe having a cousin in Bangalore is indicative of South Indian heritage. Of course, he is a fictitious character based on an amalgam of exaggerated, blended stereotypes for comic effect, so why does it matter? 128.103.14.47 18:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

According to his fake passport in the episode where spring fiend tries to deport illegal immigrants, apu was born on Jan 9 1962 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.49.81 (talk) 02:17, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hair Color
Apu's hair is gray, not black.

Actually, He wears a wig. See The episode "homer and apu"68.4.42.99 03:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Be Sharps and arriving in '88
The article says:

"He is proprietor of the Springfield Kwik-E-Mart, a local convenience store. An immigrant from India who arrived in 1988, he is, like most Simpsons characters, a caricature of a common stereotype of the Indian convenience-store owner."

But lower down it says:

During the early 1980s, Apu was a member of the barbershop quartet The Be Sharps, along with Homer Simpson, Barney Gumble and Seymour Skinner.

How is this discrepancy resolved? —Preceding unsigned comment added by W3bbo (talk • contribs) 15:25, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

It's "resolved" by the fact that it's The Simpsons and there are conflicting dates/timelines for just about every character. It's part of the show.Adiosmofo (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Owner, or not, of the Kwik-E-Mart
From a Refdesk question: is he or is he not the owners. This article calls him "proprietor", but notes he joined KEM when a student. Refdesk answers indicate he has from time to time his employment has been terminated. The word proprietor in the article lead paras might need to be readdressed, and/or the whole thing clarified. --Tagishsimon (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagishsimon (talk • contribs) 13:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Infidelity
Why does the article say that there are two instances of infidelity? I only recall him cheating once. I am changing the article to reflect this. Emperor001 18:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Memory?
In the episode Marge in Chains, it is shown that Apu may have total recall. He mentions knowing pi to 40000 places and can recite what Lionel Hutz's tie looked like after one glance. The clip can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ykXQRmnCI. Since this is a unique attribute, we should probably mention it.

Contradiction?
Compare
 * An immigrant from India who arrived in 1988 ...

and
 * During the early 1980s, Apu was a member of the barbershop quartet The Be Sharps, along with Homer Simpson, Barney Gumble and Seymour Skinner.

Anyone else see the contradiction here? -- Stormwatch (talk) 21:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The Simpsons have a floating time line, they do that kind of thing all the time. If the writers wanted Apu to be in Springfield of the 50's they would put him in. Rhino131 (talk) 23:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Creation
This: "Originally, Apu being Indian was thought to be too offensive and stereotypical and was going to be changed, but Hank Azaria's reading of the line "Hello, Mr. Homer" received a huge laugh, and so the concept stayed."

seems to contradict what's said in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e641aQp8zGI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.63.151 (talk) 12:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ownership and co-worker
in the episode "Homer and Apu" where Apu loses his job, it's because he's fired. im not sure how ownership/proprietorship/franchising work, but i don't think he can be fired if he's the owner of the store. the guys who fire him say they're from Corporate, and Apu and Homer travel to meet Kwik-E's CEO/president in india. perhaps "owner" and "proprietor" should be changed in the text and infobox. also it's the same person who fires Apu that stops him from eating the hot dog. he's not just another "worker" if he comes from corporate and is above apu. plus, apu never actually got the hot dog into his mouth, so the line should be changed to "tried to eat...". Ivansevil (talk) 00:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Contraversy
Apu has created some real contraversy in N. Am. and the UK. I'm not sure if the absence of any mention of this is an act of denial or not. Here are some examples of what I mean:

There are plenty of stereotypes in the show. But it seems that although every character's role is arbitrary (the black characters are not pimps, rappers, or drug dealers, they're a doctor, a cop, and a factory worker), Apu's is not.

We know that these characters' jobs aren't based on any stereotypes Americans may have of black people. Apu's job as a corner store owner/clerk is arguably based on his race. There's no other Indian character (such as a lawyer) to counter this.

He's made comments such as : "That smell [of Maggie's dirty diaper] is the worst I've ever experienced, and I'm from India!"

His accent is based on Peter Sellers crude attempt at imitating an Indian man, and that this sterotypical accent (and the saying "Thank you, come again") have become very popular among members of other races.

We know that 7-11 used the character of Apu (thus taking a cartoon into the real world) and the Kwik-e-mart to promote the movie by temporarily renovating some stores and installing standing representations of the character and asking employees to repeat the famous saying "Thank you, come again".

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/manish_vij/2007/07/the_apu_tragedy.html

Any reason why no contraversy is mentioned? He's frustrated enough people that you can Google it. Wjserson, 13/06/08
 * It's not denial, a large part of the reason no controversy is mentioned is because in order to have a good controversy section you need several reliable third party sources, and there really aren't a lot out there that mention a true controversy. Having an unsourced controversy section is a violation of WP:NOR and mostly WP:NPOV. -- Scorpion0422 16:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

http://www.racewire.org/archives/2007/07/cnn_misses_the_point_of_the_7e_1.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjserson (talk • contribs) 14:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

How about this one: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/10/pzn.01.html

Quotes from the transcript:

"This is a very stereotyped, racist caricature of an Indian-American."

"You know, I had mixed emotions...it feels weird though, simply because they're stereotyping and they really are pushing the envelope. And so, having said that, it's one of those things where frankly it just makes me feel uneasy, but I'm not Indian-American."

"...you know it hard enough in this climate, particularly as an immigrant, to work hard, to make a living, to serve this community, and now to be kind of asked by your corporation that owns the lease, that pays the utilities, that, you know, this isn't entirely free choice, to be asked to participate in this kind of crude ethnic jokery that is making fun of your own ethnicity. I don't think it's so funny."

--Wjserson (talk) 15:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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File:Apu Air Freshener.jpg
Just a heads up that I have nominated File:Apu Air Freshener.jpg for deletion on Commons. Acather96 (talk) 19:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 September 24
Editors of this article are cordially invited to comment at the above redirect discussion. Also, in my investigations I have established that a whole section was removed from your article by chance. It looks to include useful information and you may wish to consider whether some or all should be reinstated. This vandalism removed a whole section headed 'Personality'. This edit removed the vandalism but did not restore the section which has stayed forever out. Bridgeplayer (talk) 22:28, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Rename?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. The oppose votes are far stronger than those in support. Comments based on COMMONNAME have effectively been discounted: his common name, simply "Apu", is not in question, the question is how should we disambiguate it because Apu is ambiguous. As such, the strongest votes were those based on WP:PRECISION, which prefers natural disambiguation over parenthetical. The other point that carried weight was the (unrefuted) statement that Simpsons characters are disambiguated by their surname, if known (this carries weight because of the "consistency" criterion at WP:AT). Jenks24 (talk) 08:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon → Apu (The Simpsons) – Per Fry (Futurama), the common name may overcome natural precision. The last name... is harder to type without AutoSearch function and harder to remember. I still don't know why natural precision is preferred over commonality. To me, I believe that many sources refer this character as "Apu". Well, this has full name, and .... I don't know. Nevertheless, we are discussing Wikipedia usage, not any other usage. By the way, I'm still working on User:George Ho/Naming conventions (character). --George Ho (talk) 09:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There are Bender (Futurama) and Zoidberg. --George Ho (talk) 10:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Like you said, without auto search, who can spell his last name. C T J F 8 3  10:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Hmm, this is an interesting issue, and in this case I'd be inclined to agree. But 1) If the present name only being readily accessible with AutoSearch is an issue, surely it will be the same as "Apu (The Simpsons)"? At least with Nahasapeemapetilon people would expect it to be called that. But "Apu (The Simpsons)" isn't something I would search if I wasn't familiar with Wikipedia's naming conventions. And 2) This, to me, is a slippery slope. People call Bart 'Bart' more than 'Bart Simpson', people immediately know who you mean when you say Bart, but there's no way that should be moved to "Bart (The Simpsons)". So, as said, I'm neutral on this. Gran2 17:01, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Apu's last name is rarely heard on the show, and when it is said, it's almost always as a throwaway joke.  City O f  Silver  17:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Apu (The Simpsons)" fails the common name test; I get 169,000 ghits including other common variations of punctuation and spacing (if anybody knows how to get google to search more precisely, please say so) whilst "Apu nahasapeemapetilon" alone gets 165,000 results. It seems very unlikely that most readers will type exactly "Apu (The Simpsons)" into the search box, including that combination of brackets and capitalisation; but if they do, we can handle it with a redirect. Apu's surname offers natural disambiguation; appending "(The Simpsons)" does not. "Apu (the simpsons)" is, y'know, not his actual name. bobrayner (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate to disappoint you, but 'Apu "The Simpsons"' (without parenthesis) results 803,000 hits. --George Ho (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you search for those separate items appearing anywhere in a document. That is not the proposal here; the proposal is one specific string to be the article title, "Apu (The Simpsons)". That gets far fewer google hits because it's such an unnatural construction. bobrayner (talk) 17:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Google usage and Wikipedia usage do not match. Why do use of parentheses and exactness in Google matter to you? How are Google results relevant? --George Ho (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In the move request, you argued that "Apu (The Simpsons)" was the "common name". If you're withdrawing that claim in the face of evidence to the contrary, then we can forget about the move and everybody's happy. If you're standing by that claim, you'd better bring some better evidence that "Apu (The Simpsons)" is actually more common. I can't imagine how that might happen, since it's a rather unnatural construction what with the bracketed suffix and all, but I'm open to further evidence. I'm also baffled by the notion that readers would more likely remember and type in that (with the particular combination of brackets, spacing, and capitalisation) instead of just trying to type in a natural name - after all, if you get as far as "Apu N" the search box is whittled down to one suggestion. bobrayner (talk) 05:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not implying that. I just said that "Apu" is his common name. I just added "(The Simpsons)" in this proposal based on WP:NCTV, which you may or may not be familiar with. I did not propose a move to "Apu" because Apu may imply something else, like The Apu Trilogy. These are all evidence and arguments I have, and there is no way for me to withdraw this. This isn't "Big". Stats are not that useful to determine primacy of "Apu", as Apu (or APU) is an abbreviation of anything, like Alaska Pacific University. If there is evidence that this character is primary enough to dominate "Apu", then prove it. --George Ho (talk) 12:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NCTV only recommends bracketed suffixes for disambiguation. I was unaware that we had any other articles about other subjects called Apu Nahasapeemapetilon. If you would like to be taken seriously, either explain why this article needs to be disambiguated from other things called "Apu Nahasapeemapetilon", or bring some other policy which actually supports what you're saying. bobrayner (talk) 15:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose; the Fry decision was not well-founded in policy and should not be used as a precedent. Doing so repeatedly, as George Ho is doing, is bordering on disruptive.  Powers T 22:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, requesting a rename on Michael Kelso is withdrawn thanks to everyone else's arguments. The same, however, cannot be said about Apu's name (or Coach Ernie Pantusso). How natural and/or common is Apu's surname to you? By the way, I created Apu The Simpsons without brackets or parentheses, just in case. --George Ho (talk) 23:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Disruptive? Perhaps. Necessary? Unfortunately, yes. Without a formal guideline for naming articles for fictional characters, these must be handled on a case-by-case basis. While I agree with the Michael Kelso ruling and am opposed to moving Coach Ernie Pantusso to Coach (Cheers), Apu is almost never referred to with "Nahasapeemapetilon", so I support move. If I were to cite a Wikipedia policy, then WP:NAMINGCRITERIA urges consistency, so the shortening to just "Apu" is appropriate per the Fry ruling and the lack of another notable "Apu" on the Simpsons (whereas the presence of Casey Kelso killed the Michael Kelso RM). RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 04:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Apu may not always be referred to as "Apu Nahasapeemapetilon", but he's called "Apu (The Simpsons)" much less frequently. So, I cannot fathom why would you would support the move on that basis. Can you clarify? bobrayner (talk)
 * Why including parenthesis to make your point? --George Ho (talk) 09:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Because that's what you proposed moving it to. bobrayner (talk) 15:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The term in parentheses is to disambiguate it from other Apus. Perhaps it would make more sense to move to Apu (The Simpsons character)? Also, would you please sign your comment? RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't need to disambiguate from other Apus, because this article is called Apu Nahasapeemapetilon. There's no need for bracketed disambiguation - the second choice in WP:PRECISION - because the first choice, natural disambiguation, is already being used just fine. bobrayner (talk) 16:39, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether or not the current title's "natural disambiguation" is working fine is an opinionated topic on which you and I have differing opinions. I think "Apu (The Simpsons character)" or "Apu (The Simpsons)" would work better, and that's why I support the move. RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Abandoning consistent natural names in favour of internal conventions, in the name of consistency, is insane. Editors, not readers, are familiar with enwiki's internal norms; those norms should not override reality. (I've seen some articles on other things given names which did not exist at all in reality, but they had to be given that prefix/suffix because that's Just What We Do in that class of article). Here's a suggestion: How about we consistently give each character article the character's real name? bobrayner (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * .... WP:NCP doesn't apply, no guidelines about naming a fictional character currently exist, Apu's surname is not easy to pronounce or spell, and even copying-and-pasting by one source can make people wonder how or why a source can spell Apu's surname. As RedSox said, case-by-case can occur. Unlike Michael Kelso, this discussion... depends. --George Ho (talk) 09:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We already have a policy on how articles should be named. It's here. It's deeply misleading to claim that we don't even have a guideline on how to name this article. bobrayner (talk) 15:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do: WP:NCTV: "". I guess you're not familiar with the rules, right? --George Ho (talk) 16:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, WP:NCTV does not say anything that applies to this debate, unless there happens to be a Simpsons episode titled "Apu" or "Apu Nahasapeemapetilon". There is no guide specifically for TV characters: WP:NAMINGCRITERIA says that patterns regarding consistency are documented in the specific-topic naming conventions, but there is no specific-topic guide for TV characters, which is why I insist on going by a case-by-case basis until one is approved. RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 16:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. There is little benefit to using an unfamiliar and relatively rarely used surname for disambiguation. It seems far more sensible to use something easily recognizable, such as the show, for disambiguation. older ≠ wiser 17:23, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME and CityofSilver. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  09:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - It seems that due to the fervour of editors here both names can be considered to be the common name. Which is more common is debateable - and debated it is with no clear answer.  In that case I'd suggest simply leaving it as is - Apu Nahasapeemapetilon - with the Apu ((The Simpsons) serving as a redirect - thus covering both options.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. JDDJS (talk) 01:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Most characters on the show with known surnames are known primarily by their first name, even if it is clear that they have a surname. Those characters likewise use their first and last name as the article title. It seems that the disagreement is derived from the cumbersome spelling, which I believe to be a poor excuse. 74.212.145.18 (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose, use natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation per WP:PRECISION. Neither title is "guessable" for most readers, each is reachable by a redirect from the other, by the disambiguation page, and by the predictive search box. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The disambiguation page can change, a search box can be deactivated by a user preference anytime, and... when is the last time you correctly spelled his last name? --George Ho (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My !vote keys on WP:PRECISION. It seems that you should focus on forming a new consensus there or on the naming conventions for characters. If either of those comes to pass, I will happily !vote support. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Interesting article to be included
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/20/the-simpsons-apu-racist_n_3956603.html? This article] is about Apu's inherent racism and about how his character should be retired. A fascinating read, and no matter how opposed you are to it, it seems to be a notable opinion.--Coin945 (talk) 07:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I second that suggested topic. They also spoke about it on CNN. This item was never resolved, but I don't want to write the section then have someone else erase it all. We now have a CNN report and a Huffington Post article regarding the contraversy. Do we need more?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/10/pzn.01.html

Wjserson (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

More specific citation? Comment
"He and his family are devout Hindus, and he particularly venerates Ganesha."

The reference for this reads simply, "I have a shrine to Ganesha, the god of worldly wisdom, located in the employee lounge."

I'm not too hip with refs myself, but I suspect we need something more... verifiable? Is it a quote from an episode? Which one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fennler (talk • contribs) 15:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * He also refers to the "infinite compassion of Ganesha" in Much Apu About Nothing.-Ich (talk)

Years and dates
Should the years be changed to episode names to stick with the floating timeline. It states that the barbershop quartet was in 1985 but in today's episodes that would mean that homer was 4 years old at the time. Aacfsftw (talk) 18:01, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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Attribution
Reference copied from Apu Nahasapeemapetilon to The Problem With Apu. See former articles history for a list of contributors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Adi Shankar Started the Rumor that the Simpsons are pulling Apu
Even NBC News has acknowledged that it is not been confirmed by either Fox or the show's producers.2601:447:4101:41F9:F8DD:63E1:F4D3:8FC7 (talk) 13:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Interesting contest which Shankar ran to rewrite Apu. I also saw Apu in the October 14 episode My Way or the Highway to Heaven without visual modifications, other than that of a heavenly white garb like all the other Springfield residents were wearing.2601:447:4101:41F9:AD63:D04D:5838:F0FC (talk) 01:42, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Pronunciation?!?
Could a brave soul add a pronunciation key on how to say Apu's last name? TAPwiki (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Apu's origin
Three Sources on the origin of Apu from Matt Groening himself

From: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/on-the-move-matt-groening-gqgx28j8mhf

"Intending to forge a career as a writer, Groening began work doing "a series of really demoralizing jobs" - including working at a photocopying store run by a manager who later partly inspired Apu, the frugal storekeeper in The Simpsons."

From:https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/zOTSoaacWFbx5q5TWy1DeM/INK2012-Day-2-When-Groening-met-Barry.html

"“The character came from an electronic store down the street from the 20th Century Fox studio. I walked in. It was owned by an Indian, who, in the back, had a huge collection of Indian classical music." Groening browsed for a bit and chatted to the shopkeeper. “When I turned to leave, I said, ‘Thank you,’ and he said, ‘You are more than welcome.’ I thought that was such sweet thing—and so that’s what I based the character on."

From: http://shadows.wall.net/features/simpson2.htm

"it's true that before The Simpsons one night in L.A., I was in my way to a party and I wanted to stop and get some beer to bring to the party, and I went in to a 7-11 where everyone goes to get beer. You go into 7-11, you turn right, you go to the freezer and there's beer. But there wasn't any. It was weird. So I started to go around the perimeter of the store looking for beer. I went all the way around and there was no beer, so I thought I must have missed it. So I went around again and I couldn't find any beer. I went around three times, and finally I went up to the guy at the counter and he said, "No beer!" And then I looked around and I noticed that there were other people like me circling the store, and there was no sign. They were just waiting for you to ask and then very happily say, "No beer!" That's where the delightful, enthusiastic, optimistic personality of Apu came from." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.50.141.7 (talk) 18:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)