Talk:Aquinas College, Perth/Archive 1

'''This is Archive #1 for talk:Aquinas College, Perth

Cleanup
Ive cleaned this article up in relation to length and made alot of daughter articles which house alot of the information and are all linked. If anyone would like to comment on them, positive and negative welcome, hopefully some good pointers. Thanks =) Smbarnzy 12:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the idea of daughter articles may not be as useful as merging that info into articles with larger scope. Some pages may need to remain, though. Big improvement to length. Fred 15:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Where to get info
Smbarnzy 15:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * College Website - www.aquinas.wa.edu.au
 * College Annuals
 * The Aquinian - College Newsletter
 * FISH - Aquinas Magazine
 * College Diary - this resource has been exhausted, i have got almost all information from it that is possible.
 * Book On the College - there is a book on Aquinas in the Redmond Learning Centre, which can be loaned out, it has alot of historical information and would be useful for things like college headmasters, head boys and dux's.
 * PSA Booklets - I have the 102nd annual PSA Aths booklet which has a list of all of the sports and winners since the establishment of the PSA, these type of resources are highly valuble to the sporting section, it would be good to have the results from the past 5 years on the Sporting Page.
 * City Of South Perth
 * Heritage Council
 * Historial Society
 * Govt Departments.

History
This needs to be lengthened - So it can be made shorter with a main article link to the lengthened version like other sections - info needed. Smbarnzy 11:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

History Information
We need more information on this section - Possibly getting info from sources inside the college such as Br. Clery - hes been at the college for more than 20 years. Smbarnzy 13:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Affiliations
Ive added Christian Brothers, Public Schools Association and Santa Maria College, im sure that there are others, but please expand. Smbarnzy 12:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support, esp. parent bodies. Fred

College Theme
I think this section should be reinstated. Ill ask Gnangarra as to why he deleted it. Smbarnzy 02:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be better at the commons with a link here. A bit too much white space and not the best for an encyclopedia. Fred 15:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Location
This should include something on the Canning River i think, including about Aquinas Bay and how Aquinas used it for swimming and now uses it for rowing. Smbarnzy 15:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Academic Studies
This section does not have all of the college dux's, which are in the college library and can be noted there. Also the year 8 and 9 academic subjects are not listed. Smbarnzy 12:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This article has been deleted for not being notable/irrelevant to the topic. Thanks User: Hesperian for doing that for me. Smbarnzy 13:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sport
More information is required on Aquinas College, Perth Sport page about all of the sports that the college participates and has participated in. eg. Boxing used to be a PSA sport. Smbarnzy 12:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Old Aquinians Assocation
This could possibly have its own article. If so, it would need alot more information, it could possibly encompass other PSA Schools Old Boys Association. Smbarnzy 02:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Article Assesment
This article was rated B-Class. What do i have to do to make it better? i am kind of lost for direction in this area. Pointers much appreciated - Thanks. Smbarnzy 17:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

General comments
I have found it interesting to watch this article improve. A lot of content instead of too liitle. A few comments:


 * Too many headings and articles. Some sentences replacing tables or lists?
 * "They had come to the new colony at the invitation of Bishop Matthew Gibney who knew of the work of the Christian Brothers in the other States and in England and Ireland ...(emphasis added)" could be reworded a bit. The MoS is the doc I have reread the most, WP:NPOV and WP:CSB are good too.

It will surely be G/A before long. Fred 15:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleted
Publications, College Prooduction, Tours, Edmund Rice And Christian Brothers have been deleted from the article - 13th Dec. Smbarnzy 11:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

College Dux
(Deleted - Waiting to be moved) The dux award is awarded to the person who scores the highest TEE mark out of 510. Recent winners include;
 * 1897 - William Bryan
 * 1898 - William Bryan
 * 1912 - Aleric Pinder Boor
 * 2003 - John McAnearney
 * 2004 - Matthew Power
 * 2005 - Matthew Cowcher
 * 2006 - Felipe Chaves

Here is the list of dux's - I am propsing the article on Aquinas College, Perth Academic Studies for deletion.

Aquinas Song
(Deleted - Possible copyright violation) The Aquinas song has seven verses, although it is common practise to use only verses 1, 4 an 7.
 * We ask you Lord to make us strong
 * To seek the right and spurn the wrong
 * To raise the flame of Learning's spark
 * That Lights the mind, dispels to dark,
 * And shows the road Aquinas trod:
 * Truth conquers all for sons of God!


 * By Canning Waters still serene
 * In playing fields of mellow green
 * Where chapel stone enshrines the hours
 * Aquinas dreams from sunlit towers
 * And prayer enkindles faith again
 * That God will make us worthy men.


 * We ask you Lord to make us strong
 * To seek the right and spurn the wrong
 * To raise the flame of Learning's spark
 * That Lights the mind, dispels to dark,
 * And shows the road great Edmund trod:
 * Truth conquers all for sons of God!

Pictures
We are lacking in this department, i feel it is the only thing holding this article back from being a good article. It has all the info, all the references,but not all the pictures. Please upload some. Thanks =) Smbarnzy 12:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The main entrance would be a good picture for the History section as it has the capola from CBC Terrace which is of great historical significane to the college. Possibly a picture of the Mike Kinsella Hockey Pavillion would be useful. Thanks Smbarnzy 13:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

List Of Pictures Required
I wish to add a gallery of images to this article and some of them will be used in the article and the daughter articles of the College. Pictures with ** next to them are wha we most desperately need. Please remove the names of images we have added. Smbarnzy 07:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Main Building**
 * College Foundation Stone**
 * Mary Kerr Arts Complex
 * Chapel
 * SOSE Block
 * Science Block
 * Maths Block
 * Design & Technology Block
 * Mount Sion Formation Centre
 * Chaplains Residence
 * Library
 * Canteen
 * Junior School
 * Boarding Houses**
 * Hughes Dining Hall
 * Gymnasium
 * Pool**
 * Basketball Courts
 * Tennis Courts
 * Rowing Sheds
 * Redmond Common
 * Memorial Oval** & Churack Pavillion & CP Foley Scoreboard
 * McMahon Oval
 * Lynch Oval
 * Clery Park
 * Kennedy Fields & Mike Kinsella Hockey Pavillion**
 * Front Entrance** (Mt Henry Road) of College
 * Tear Drop (Bus area)
 * Aquinas Bay
 * Uniforms** - Full Winter, Summer, and various sports uniforms ( Hockey/soccer , football, athletics/rowing/cross country, cricket, rugby, basketball, badminton, tennis, volleyball and waterpolo/swimming.

Note uniforms with / involved are the same, so only one picture is required. Smbarnzy 12:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
I shall take an upload these pictures within by tues, wednesday latest —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Symode09 (talk • contribs) 07:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

New articles to consider
I was thinking of making three new daughter articles for the Aquinas page, they are:
 * 1) - List of buildings and facilities at Aquinas College, Perth - have all the sporting grounds, buildings and facilities with large amount of images in a nice table etc.
 * 2) - Houses at Aquinas College, Perth - list all of the houses like the Scotch College, Perth page does.
 * 3) - Sport at Aquinas College, Perth - Have all the info on the PSA etc.

Smbarnzy 15:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion per AfD
Per the discussion at Articles for deletion/Old Aquinians Hockey Club, the following articles need to be merged into this one, and then redirected here: Please discuss what needs to be merged, merge the information, and then redirect the above articles to this one. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon joe 04:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Old Aquinians Hockey Club
 * Aquinas College Perth management structure
 * Aquinas College Perth School System
 * Aquinas College, Perth Sport
 * Aquinas College Perth Infrastructure
 * Aquinas College Perth Boarding
 * Aquinas College Perth House System

I'm going to merge them, I have been wanting to for a long timr, I just believe, I should have waited until someone else thought this, I was not sure if people thought it would be the right thinkg to do. I think the articles are too uninformative and short to be useful. It looks like they have been stretched out to seem substancial even though there are quie good.

On the job symode09 04:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the Old Aquinians Hockey club and Aquinas College, Sport should be kept as Old Aquinians Hockey club is completely separate from the college - except that it uses college facilities etc. and sport is a major part of the environment at Aquinas Smbarnzy 13:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Layout
Im not so convinced about the Mount Henry Peninsula section being made from a sub-section into its own section and the location being merged into the history section - it just doesnt seem to make sense to me. I think it should be Location with Mt Henry as a sub-cat. Please explain. Smbarnzy 07:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

GA
Passing GA status. This article certainly meets all GA standards. Da54 23:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe this article is not a good article yet. Here is an incomplete list of the elements that in my opinion should be improved first to meet the good article requirements. Don't let this list discourage you, if you tackle the items one by one, it shouldn't be too hard!
 * the lead should give a proper summary of the article (1b fail)
 * the section "Buildings and infrastructure" should follow the Manuel of Style on list incorporation (1c fail)
 * the section "Notable alumni" should not be empty apart from a link
 * all references should contain text (2a fail)
 * acre (Imperial system) and hectare (metric system) should not be used interchangeably :
 * the section "Mt Henry Peninsula" should not be in this article (3b fail)
 * the images should illustrate the text, they should not be in an image gallery
 * all images should have captions (6a fail)
 * all fair use images should have fair use rationales and none of the licenses of images should be debated, this concerns most of the images used (6c fail)
 * Good luck! - Ilse@ 03:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See also Good articles/Review. - Ilse@ 04:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Congraluations on your passing GA. President Fred


 * All crossed out stuff has been done by me Smbarnzy 17:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Image Problems

 * In my opinion the article is improving, although there are still some problems with images:
 * Image:Aquinas Logo.png – omits fair use rationale (2x)
 * Image:CBC Plaque.jpg – omits copyright tag
 * Image:Mount Henry Peninsula.jpg – the educational use only statement is contradictory to the GFDL license
 * Image:Presentation Night.jpeg – omits copyright tag
 * Image:House Shields.JPG – should not have contradictory license tags
 * Image:Reds Logo.JPG – omits copyright tag
 * Image:Uniform Formal Winter.jpeg – omits copyright tag
 * Image:Uniform - Sport - Hockey.jpg – omits copyright tag
 * Image:Aquinas Ties.jpg – omits copyright tag
 * Image:Justice Day Picture.jpg – should not have fair use image that doesn't illustrate any text
 * Image:College Website.jpg – should not have fair use image that doesn't illustrate any text
 * Image:Student Intranet Portal.jpg – should not have fair use image that doesn't illustrate any text
 * There is still work to be done! - Ilse@ 01:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The description page of Image:Uniform - Sport - Hockey.jpg has not changed. - Ilse@ 13:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair use images should have a reduced resolution, and in the fair use rationale should also be explained why they are not replaceable. When attribution to the author is needed, maybe Template:Cc-by-2.5 or Template:Cc-by-sa-2.5 are appropriate licenses. - Ilse@ 13:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

All done now
Nothing more to do. Shall I nominate this for Feature Article now? Fredraysy

AC Infastructure
The following material is from the discussions page of Aquinas College Perth Infrastructure

Buildings Are any of these building heritage listed, who were the builders and architects of each, as these things contribute to notiability. The article may have survived AFD with no consensus indicating that there are problems that need to be addressed. Gnangarra 12:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes they are im pretty sure the chapel, main building, humanities block and gym are like Class-A listed or something, there was some debate on it - in the city of South Perth Website somewhere. Thanks Smbarnzy 15:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Check Heritage Council of WA's website also. Check Waroona, Western Australia to see an example of what I'm thinking of (ref 3) - there's usually a shortened one that's just the listing, then a longer one like this one that gives the entire background and history. Orderinchaos78 05:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually - check right here and here Orderinchaos78 06:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Length of article
The article is too long for a school article. Many of the things mentioned do not have to be mentioned, nor do they have the notabilty. See Trinity College, Perth for a suitable article size. Thanks, --Ali K 07:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Text needs considerable attention. I've done the Sport section and the things I notice include a lot of repetition, what I'd call "delayed punchline" (where you have to read the entire sentence to gather its meaning, and could potentially be misled until doing so), copious overlinking of common words and overbolding of the college's name wherever it appears. I don't know if other sections are as bad and I have a function to go to this evening, but if others (and especially the Aquinas editors) want to consider these points in reviewing the text of the article, I'd say feel free. Don't forget that compelling prose and logical flow are key GA/FA assessment criteria. If we work this correctly on the path to GA, it will greatly reduce the queries that can be raised at FA stage (and FA stage can be open public slather whereas GA is somewhat more collegial in nature). Oh, and a very quick glimpse at Junior, Middle and Senior School reveals a lot of unencyclopaedic content that could be trimmed (general criteria should be, if you can't prove it - or put it another way - if it is impossible to prove, it shouldn't be there.) Also, list or note form should be avoided *in* prose - if it's in the prose, it should be a full sentence. Orderinchaos78 08:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Overlinking appears throughout the article, not just in the sports section. I think a more presise, and cut down version of the article will still be able to make the criteria of FA. As it is now, from my perspective, there is no possible way. Articles on the House System need not exist. Remembering that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia is an important point. Would you open an encyclopedia and read a whole article on the House System of a particular school? While an article on the school may be needed, articles with specific information on a certain part of the school may not be. For example: Aquinas College, Perth Sport should not really have an article to itself, but should instead be merged to the main article. This is needed for all sub articles. If people want very detailed information about the school, and the small and presise article (that will, hopefully, exist in the near future) does not provide enough information, they can use the school's website, or contact the school directly. Its just something to think about. A small presise article is more likely to be useful than a many page novel about the school. --Ali K 11:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In my view - the length of the article is good - it may have been a bit overdone with all of the junior middle and senior schools bullshit that was on there when you saw it last. But i have trimmed it back to where it should be. How is the Trinity article anything to be proud of - it is practically a start-class article. Aquinas college article offers all of the information required on the subject and a little bit more ;) Im not sure exactly how to reply to your comment but - what should be taken off then? thanks Smbarnzy 11:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * all of the daughter articles are going to be removed/merged into the article, most of that has taken place. Smbarnzy 11:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Right, after some work (Wordpad is grand), I've managed to cull almost all of the excessive links and bolding in the article, and made some other minor adjustments to pagination which were breaking the article in some (most?) browsers. Still a lot of work needed on content, but at least the article is workable now from an editing standpoint. The sections on the Junior, Middle and Senior Schools really should be about a single paragraph each, two at most. Orderinchaos78 16:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Another edit, another talk page note - I culled Junior School down to what I believe is an acceptable size. However, the result is now awkward and incomplete. It contains nothing about sport, for the only reason that the sport section in the original section could not be salvaged (it in effect had no content). I would encourage editors to add back something about sport, but keep it short and to the point, and specific to the junior section (as there is already other sections about sport in the article anyway). Orderinchaos78 16:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Junior, Middle & Senior School Sections
I think breaking the junior, middle and senior school sections down into one instead of having 4 or 5 sections coming off each is a good idea. it makes the article less cluttered and easier to follow. Smbarnzy 16:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Name
The article seems to mention nothing about the name of the College and how it is named after St Thomas Aquinas etc etc? possibly included in the main article summary at the top. Smbarnzy 12:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed - That should be either in a very early section or in the lead. It is buried deep in the Junior School section at present I believe. Orderinchaos78 13:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of lead or history - although prob history, as i dont think it fits into the lead - but it prob should be in the lead, i think. Smbarnzy 14:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

List Of Pictures Required
I wish to add a gallery of images to this article and some of them will be used in the article and the daughter articles of the College. Pictures with ** next to them are wha we most desperately need. Please remove the names of images we have added. Smbarnzy 07:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Main Building **
 * College Foundation Stone **
 * Mary Kerr Arts Complex
 * Chapel
 * SOSE Block
 * Science Block
 * Maths Block
 * Design & Technology Block
 * Mount Sion Formation Centre
 * Chaplains Residence
 * Library
 * Canteen
 * Junior School
 * Boarding Houses**
 * Hughes Dining Hall
 * Gymnasium
 * Pool **
 * Basketball Courts
 * Tennis Courts
 * Rowing Sheds
 * Redmond Common
 * Memorial Oval** & Churack Pavillion & CP Foley Scoreboard
 * McMahon Oval
 * Lynch Oval
 * Clery Park
 * Kennedy Fields & Mike Kinsella Hockey Pavillion**
 * Front Entrance** (Mt Henry Road) of College
 * Tear Drop (Bus area)
 * Aquinas Bay
 * Red-back Spider** (sports symbol)
 * Uniforms** - Full Winter, Summer, and various sports uniforms ( Hockey/soccer , football, athletics/rowing , cross country , cricket, rugby, basketball, badminton, tennis, volleyball and waterpolo/swimming.

Note uniforms with / involved are the same, so only one picture is required. Smbarnzy 12:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

images
Hey everyone,

I've uploaded the following images,









I do not know if is just my pc but the pace seems to have been messed up, I'm off for now :) NOTE: THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THIS PAGE BECAUSE I ACCIDENTLY PUT IT ON THE WRONG PAGE! symode09 symode09 21:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Tuatha shield
How is it that Bryan has won the 2007 Tuatha shield when the school year hasn't started yet? If it is correct, the mechanics of how and when the shield is awarded needs to be explained in the article. &mdash;Moondyne 13:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The shield actually starts the year before, with one (or two) event/s from the previous year (2006) contributing to the next (2007) shield, i cant remember which one (possibly house esteddford or academic points)...but thats basically it. Smbarnzy 14:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Images
Image sizes is something to thing about. Per WP:MOS, don't specify image sizes unless you have extreme aspect ratios or need to show detail in the thumb. Unspecified image sizes will default to 180pixels (this can be changed in users' preferences). The house shields is one which you could leave at (say) 300px because of the detail. All the others could go back to unspecified sizes IMHO. If you feel strongly that normal aspect images do need to be a bit bigger, I personally would never go more than about 250px and that would only be for an image which really needs prominence because of it having more important content.

I do like alternating left and right images, but if you start doing it you need to do it consistently - ie. don't go left, right, right, left.

These things are minor I know, but if you want to head towards FA status, reviewers will shoot you down with little things like that. The article is improving nicely. Good work. &mdash;Moondyne 04:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Image Gallery
There has been a few users suggesting that the image gallery should be deleted, as it will affect our GA nomination - although i think its a good addition of extra information on the college. I think we should have an image gallery on the buildings & infrastructure section with pictures of all of the buildings and infrastrucuture on that relevant page, oppinions wanted... Smbarnzy 10:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Changes & Additions

 * Building Program & Future Developments - This could include the College Masterplan which was sent to all Aquinas families. - Semi-like the Wesley College, Perth page.
 * List of buildings & infrastrucutre at Aquinas College, Perth - pics and all info on a daughter article.
 * Sport at Aquinas College, Perth - All info on sport at Aquinas College.
 * Houses at Aquinas College, Perth - Nice table with the House Shields pic.

Improvements
Some improvements I think needs to be made...

Peer Review
From the peer review that has been archived, i have made a short list of all of the problems areas:
 * Expand the sections, each section should say more about it's subject, even if the information is repeated in the other articles.
 * work on researching and writing some articles on the relinks - Riverton Bridge, Paul Keaney (infamous paedophile/child abuser), Redmond Prendiville (youngest person ever to be ordained a catholic Archbishop anywhere in the world I believe), Matthew Gibney (spoke to Ned Kelly just before he was shot at the Glenrowan siege). Those three men are all interesting and notable characters and would add depth to the article IMO. They've been on my to-do list for a while and I'd be happy if someone got them off it for me ;)
 * What is the fee structure and how does it compare with other Perth colleges? There's a suggestion for a useful new article: Perth private school fees. Thats an issue lots of people want to know.
 * What scholarships are on offer?
 * What capital works (ie. building projects) are planned or underway. Colleges always seem to have some big capex projects happening.
 * The opening paragraph(s) should be a brief summary of the article that says all the most important stuff about the school. How would you tell us about the school if you only had thirty seconds to speak?
 * History section is pretty thorough but could flow better. I have a bugbear about normal quotes being marked up was pullquotes. Parts of the history section belong in the location section (e.g. "much of the property is still thickly wooded"), and the affiliations section has nothing to do with history.
 * Location should characterise where it is and what the site is like. It does that pretty well. But the article is about Aquinas, not the peninsula, not the river. Summary style isn't necessary and doesn't work here.
 * Finally, a few questions: What are its values - is it overtly religious? How much does it charge? Is it elite? elitist? How is it rated by the wider community? Is it considered one of the better private schools in WA? Is it thought of as a sporting school that also offers academic programs, or as an academic program that also had a strong sporting tradition? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smbarnzy (talk • contribs) 11:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Sport
The "red-back spider needs to be added into the sports section as it is the symbol of Aquinas College sport, possibly with a picture, i will add it to the list of pictures required. This should include when it was adopted, how, and what it represents. Smbarnzy 11:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the picture added is not of a high enough standard. There was already a red-back spider image on wikipedia of high quality. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Redback_frontal_view.jpg) --Ali K 02:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

House System
The houses system does not state which year it was introduced, and when each house was introduced. It could also include such things as other systems that the house system is based upon or other such things. Smbarnzy 12:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Uniform
Explanation of the awards, colours and honours system and how it works. What students have to do to get an award and that sort of information Smbarnzy 10:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * New sporting uniforms are being introduced, this should be added to the uniform section aswell as the reason why (cost), and the changeover period for the uniforms aswell as when the uniforms are being introduced. Smbarnzy 12:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Student Life
This needs to include student bodies (eg. student representative council) and other such related student bodies represented by the school Smbarnzy 10:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Academic Studies
This section should include a paragraph on the OBE debate which is raging in Western Australia and something on THE WACE (West Australian Certificate of Education). Smbarnzy 12:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the images should be alternating and larger, it it way too boring, the article needs a bit more "oomf" symode09 09:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I definately agree Smbarnzy 09:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Can I suggest you temporarily switch your screen resolution to 800x600 (there's still lots of people out there with 15 inch monitors) and view the article as they would see it. A 400px wide image takes up half the 800 wide screen, and with the Wikipedia navigation bar on the left (approx 140px), there's not much room left for words to wrap around the image.  The article looks plain ugly. &mdash;Moondyne 01:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Pages that need not exist.
The article still links to some pages that need to be deleted/merged in some way with the article. These include: I think this needs to happen for the article to become even close to FA standard. Even if merging is agreed upon, it isn't necessary to make the whole article longer. --Ali K 03:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Buildings at Aquinas College, Perth
 * Grounds at Aquinas College, Perth
 * Houses at Aquinas College, Perth
 * Aquinas College, Perth Sport (this article doesnt even follow the correct format for naming article conventions)
 * Old Aquinians Hockey Club (add the history to the article, get rid of the names)
 * List of Aquinas College, Perth Notable Alumni


 * See: Articles for deletion/Old Aquinians Hockey Club where the community consensus was 'merge and delete'. Per WP:IAR, I've changed the 1st 3 above to redirects (the 4th already was), and protected the redirects from further editing.
 * Old Aquinians Hockey Club was previously speedy deleted because of a copyvio and then recreated with original content. It does need improvement as is currently borderline non-notable.  Unless someone beats me or it is improved significantly, I will be submitting this for an AfD discussion.
 * Afd at Articles for deletion/Old Aquinians Hockey Club (2nd nomination). &mdash;Moondyne 07:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * List of Aquinas College, Perth Notable Alumni is also borderline non-notable, and I'll be submitting it as well. &mdash;Moondyne 06:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Afd at Articles for deletion/List of alumni of Aquinas College, Perth. &mdash;Moondyne 07:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I beleive that, these areticles should be added to this article, I really hate those small stub articles, they are not important enough, they are part of the school, anyone who creates them should be shot (just joking, do not quote me) symode09 11:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)