Talk:Arab cuisine/Archive 1

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Started wikifying this but got calledd away. I will come back later to finsh.Aholcombe 04:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is quite confusing as the article's called arab cuisine but it only refers to Gulf Arab states. Why dont you merge other arab cuisine articles(like n.african, syrian etc) into this one

This page is so far from finished, I edited a small portion, it needs a lot of work though. For starters the bedouin are not exclusive to Saudi Arabia. --Alsharifa 15:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Did someone seriously list pork as a common component of Arab cooking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.70.139 (talk) 14:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Major Changes
I have moved the information about the specific Gulf cuisine to a new article Arab Gulf cuisine and retained this one for the wider diversity of Arab cuisine.

I have added a little bit about specific Arab cuisines.

--Maha Odeh 09:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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Vandalism
I'm removing

"rab r ugly tghey wear weird foods n they drees like thir very cold even n da summer"

for now. Perhaps someone with more anti-vandalism knowledge could look into it. Thanks.

Doner kebab is Turkish cuisine and a unique cuisine, this is wrong should not be done kebab.Arap — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.160.18.212 (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Pork
Even Arab Chirstians don't eat that much pork. I removed it, unless there is an authentic and trustworthy citiation that says so, Prok is not an ingredient. --Maha Odeh 09:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

More Work Needed
I've added a lot, but it still needs a lot of work. Anyone that knows about food is welcome. --Maha Odeh 11:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Need article on baharat
Need article on the spice mixture baharat, used in the Near East and Gulf States particularly for mutton dishes. Can anyone help? Badagnani (talk) 07:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Iraq an Atab country?
I thought it has to do nothing with Arabs, the official language is Persian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.160.59.164 (talk) 18:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's an Arab country and the official language is Arabic, you may be confusing it with Iran. --Maha Odeh (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Undid Revision
The use of Palestine is more appropriate because this cuisine existed prior to the creation of Israel. --Maha Odeh (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I have noticed that the article did not mention the Saudi cuisine. The Saudi cuisine is quite diversified due to the fact that the country is fairly extensive. Unfortunately, the Saudi traditional dishes are found to be rather local even between the provinces in the country, not to mention the Arabic World. I believe this is largely attributed to the fact mentioned above about the country size as well as the lack of an effective promotion. Please read about the following traditional dishes popular in some Saudi provinces:

1- Kabsa كبسة. The most popular food in Saudi Arabia. 2- Marquq مرقوق. Quite popular in Alqassim,Hail and Riyadh regions. 3- Saleeq سليق. AL-Taif city and throughout Macca region. 4- Hanith حنيذ. growing to gain populacity, originally from the southern region. 5- Asidah عصيدة. Very popular in Al-baha and Assair regions. 6- Gareesh جريش. Pupolar in Alqaseem region.

These are examples only. There are many others in each region that I might not know myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.56.9 (talk) 16:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

alot of changes for egyptian food hapits
actually i am working an egyptian restaurant, and I found that alot of egyptian peple start to change their hapits , they always ask about molokhyia with chicken not with rabbit , olive oil replaced by corn oil for the meal prparing , also alot of article forget that ( tourshi ) or baladi pickles one of the essential items on egyptian table . as well as the baladi rice , which is beloved for egyptian and of course the method of cooking also . more over we should search more about the upper egypt food habits  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.221.129.27 (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Somalia
Interesting section on Somali cuisine, but as this page is about Arab cuisine, should Somali cuisine be included here? It would make perfect sense if the article was about Islamic cuisine, but I suspect Somali cuisine should be on a different page. RantingMrP (talk) 09:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Somalia is an Arab state and is part of the Arab world. Hence, why its cuisine has been included in this article alongside those of other Arab states. Middayexpress (talk) 17:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Human Urine Cuisine?
I think today's news story about counterfeit urine should be mentioned. 67.206.183.229 (talk) 20:45, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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"Arab cuisine" vs "Arabian cuisine"
Why is the article titled "Arab cuisine"? The use of Arab here is possibly more offensive and incorrect than the phrase used at the beginning of the article: "Arabian cuisine". For comparison consider "Turk cuisine" vs "Turkish cuisine". Arab is a noun, not adjective. Arabian is an adjective. It does not necessarily refer to the horse. Furthermore, the construction of the phrase in its native language (Arabic) strongly points to "Arabian" being the grammatically correct choice in translation. 182.191.225.186 (talk) 17:58, 14 May 2016 (UTC)codecharming
 * It's not remotely offensive or incorrect, and Arab has been used as an adjective in English for centuries, according to the OED. Apparently this person didn't even try to google that before breaking into a rant..., , etc. --IamNotU (talk) 20:52, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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North Africa
North African cuisine doesn't belong to the Middle East category, so let's not change people's geography and insist on not adding their region. Also ancient dishes that belong to a country shouldn't be falsely removed. Anyone making certain edits should discuss the reason, not corrupting the page without any justification or summary. Thank you. Foodiebest (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * We talk about cuisine in the Arab world countries that members of the Arab League These countries occupy the Middle East, North Africa and parts of East Africa. So FORUM.Sarah Canbel (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorting cuisines
Per User talk:Foodiebest, there's a dispute on whether Egypt and the Levant should be covered in the "Bedouin" section. That seems a little strange to me; both Egypt and the Levant have a mostly settled population, not predominantly a Bedouin population (e.g. about 10% of the population of Syria are Bedouins - which makes the remaining 90% non-Bedouins). I don't see why we shouldn't elevate those topics to level 3 headings. Huon (talk) 20:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually all I did was to improve the page I didn't add in the Bedouin section it was previously.Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 21:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Categorization
Per User talk:Foodiebest, there's a dispute on the categrization of this page. I do not see that it belongs in Category:North African cuisine. While there are many North African dishes discussed in this article, Arab cuisine is not a subset of North African cuisine but covers a much broader range. If one were to ignore Berber cuisine, one could argue that North African cuisine is Arab cuisine and should be categorized as such - but the converse clearly doesn't hold. Huon (talk) 21:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't judge this but the article speaks about the Arab world cuisine which includes North Africa, and the User:Foodiebest tries to impose his theory that it has nothing to do with North Africa in the Arab world. Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 21:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Exactly, quoting you: it "includes North Africa", then why you delete the North African category?.
 * And no absolutely not Ma'am, i am the one adding the North African category to the Arab Cuisine page which mean they are indeed part of the Arab league. You are the one insisting on passing them as Middle Easterners, even though they aren't Middle Eastern countries. Foodiebest (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Everything exists as before I only improved the article and I have also improved and strengthened the section of the Maghreb cuisine (before and now). Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 22:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ancient dishes
Per User talk:Foodiebest and above, there is a dispute about the inclusion of "ancient dishes". I compared the revisions of this page and can't quite tell what those ancient dishes are supposed to be; I assume what's meant is the table entitled "Dishes" in this revision. To me that looks redundant to the gallery following it; both effectively are images of dishes with links to the articles on the dishes. I'd say the gallery is already rather long; if individual dishes should be added or replaced, I'd like to see an explanation before giving an opinion. Adding images of all Arab dishes we have images and articles of is too much for this page, which is meant to describe the cuisine in general terms. Huon (talk) 21:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have removed some images(foods that are not well-known) from the article. There is still 17 images!. If there is one image of a whole Arab food table would be great instead of all of these images.--SharabSalam (talk) 21:46, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * In fact, I don't want to involve myself in long discussions, so I give up on anything that is related to the article, but if I find someone who's imposed his personal theory like this doesn't belong to this, I will intervene. Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 21:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Huon (talk) These are her edits, for example she gives no reason at all on why she keeps removing Falafel image from Egypt section even though the dish is tagged there.Foodiebest (talk) 21:57, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * We're not in court to look every time for something to prove that I am wrong, and I don't need to justify everything. I have moved the image to the Levant section in order to complete the vacuum and improve the sections. Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I saw the diff, but there are lots of changes in that diff, and as I said, I couldn't tell what, specifically, you meant. I rather don't think that adding falafel to the Egypt section was the primary reason for the revert. However, there are two problems with the image and its caption: Firstly, this article is about Arab cuisine, and the history of falafel before it became a part of Arab cuisine isn't all that relevant. Secondly, falafel by now has spread rather widely and is not (and for a long time has not been) exclusive to Egypt. Dishes that are common in Arab cuisine beyond a specific country or region should probably not be used to illustrate a regional variety of Arab cuisine - something that's "typically Egyptian" would likely be better for the Egypt section than something that's widespread but originated in Egypt long ago. Huon (talk) 22:19, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with you completely. Sarah Schneuwly -Schneider (talk) 22:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Huon (talk), I solved this problem. I removed Egypt and the Levant from the Bedouin category, also relocated Falafel image between both Egypt and the Levant (+ providing a reliable source that it's the National Dish of Egypt). Also the other point of confusion here is that the Maghreb is North Africa not the Middle East, so i don't know why their region should be removed eventhough they are part of this page. Foodiebest (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I fully agree with your point of view, the page is designed to classify the food according to countries (regions) and their national dishes, hence the mistake. I do believe that another design -according to dishes- will be way better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foodiebest (talk • contribs) 22:54, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I have tried to sort things under some sections. Does that fix the problem? BTW, what is "Mashriq"?--SharabSalam (talk) 23:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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