Talk:Araki Mataemon

Clean-up Tags
It seems highly unlikely that Araki is among the most famous swordmen if I've never heard of him; not impossible, just unlikely, considering the research I've done into the origins of the Yagyū Shinkage-ryū and members of the Yagyū family. It is also spurious that he established the school, since he's not a member of the family that established it. If another editor can verify any or all of the facts presented here, I ask you to please rewrite it in a sensical and grammatical fashion. Thank you. LordAmeth 10:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * According to Diane Skoss "Koryu Bujutsu" book, Araki Mataemon was a student of Yagyu Munenori of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu and was "granted permission to use the Yagyu name in his own school's name by Yagyu Jubei". I can clean this article and add what I found in the Koryu bujutsu book if anyone doesn't have any objections. Fred26 13:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Araki Mataemon was a famous swordsman and is documented in Japanese history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.7.102 (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed a section
I removed the section of the text where it says: "Mataemon's style of fighting mainly based around the ability to sense the inner thoughts of the opponent through your senses (in which the term 'Shingan' truly meant the "mind's-eye"). Through Mataemon's way of fighting, the Yagyu shinkage ryu fighting style was supported in its birth. One battle that Mataemon took place in was against the kusari-gama wielder, Yamada Shinryukan. Throughout the course of this duel, Mataemon lured Shinryukan into a bamboo groove, in which he affectively slew him."

I checked the user who made that entry (Darin Fidika) and he's actually been "blocked indefinitely". Anyways, I couldnt find a good way to revert the text to a encyclopedia (neutral) viewpoint and I have no sources for the above claims (which was added by Darin Fidika) so I decided to delete it until such time someone else can fill in the blanks. Fred26 11:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

"Promoter" instead of founder of Yagyu Shingan-ryu?
Fred26 wrote: "Hello. I noticed you changed the status of Araki Mataemon from "founder" of Yagyu Shingan-ryu to "promoter". I was personally under impression he created the Shingan-ryu, and so does the authors of Koryu.com. (authors of the book I used for reference. I'm not an expert on Shingan-ryu though, I might have missed some vital fact. Was Araki Mataemon the actual creator of Shingan-ryu or not according to you? Best regards" --Fred26 11:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * After studying the various sources, see extensive discussion at Who was founder of Yagyū Shingan Ryū ?, I agree with the conclusion reached by The Samurai Archives consensus, that Ushū Tatewaki (羽州帯刀) was the founder. --Bejnar 17:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No they have made a mistake. Ushu Tatewaki was the founder of the Shindo Ryu. Takenaga Hayato was the founder of the mainline Yagyu Shingan Ryu (Heiho) and was greatly influenced by Ushu Tatewaki and the Shindo Ryu, as well as Yagyu Munenori and the Yagyu Shinkage Ryu. Araki Mataemon is considered the 'spiritual founder' of the Edo line aka Yagyu Shingan Ryu (Taijutsu). The name Yagyu Shingan Ryu Taijutsu line was born from 8th generation Headmaster Hoshino Tenchi.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.164.54 (talk) 12:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Birth and death dates
The Japanese Wikipedia article 荒木又右衛門 (Araki Mataemon) has Araki Mataemon's dates as 1599 - 5 October 1638 (28 August 1638 O.S.). This article currently has (1584-1637). Official site of Yagyū Shingan-ryū Taijutsu (Edo-line) has 1594-1634. --Bejnar 19:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Yagyu Jubei (b.1607? - d. 1650) Yagyu Shinkage Ryu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.64.1.2 (talk) 00:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Koyama Samon (b.1718 - d.1800) Founder of the Edo line Yagyu Shingan Ryu Taijutsu circa mid 18th century.