Talk:Arameans

Shmayo’s lies and propaganda
Article is full with user Shmayo’s lies and manipulation. Shmayo’s goal here is to weaken the Aramean identity to make it look like the modern Aramean people are Assyrians. 185.224.57.167 (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Please remain WP:CIVIL. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
IP editors,, , please stop any disruptive editing and seek dispute resolution on the talk page. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Shmayo should stop pushing an Assyrian POV on the Arameans page (and other Syriac/Aramean pages). He reverts any edit that improves the page. If you look at the history of the page you can see how Shmayo slowly/frequently replaced information to misinform others. 79.193.207.235 (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you give actual evidence? What constitutes an "Assyrian POV"? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 22:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If Shmayo is pushing an Assyrian POV, then I wonder what that makes the IP, who just attempted to remove sourced info . In fact, this article is constantly plagued by IPs and brand new users. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Let me show you:
 * The Assyrian POV weakens the Aramean identity, name, ethnicity etc. The goal is to gain more popularity on the Assyrian name and to make it look like modern Arameans are Assyrians instead.
 * Mostly Shmayo and Musgalot (but also other Assyrian editors) write and share disinformation about the Arameans. They misinform and confuse readers with using wikipedia for their Assyrian nationalist propaganda/agenda by limiting/minimizing/manipulating information about the Arameans.
 * The goal is to make it look like the modern Arameans don't exist. Some propaganda is sourced but the sources used to substantiate this could we call cherry picking.
 * Some examples:
 * - Shmayo and Mugsalot added Hebrew and Ancient Greek to the introduction to confuse people about the (real) [Aramaic] language of the Arameans.
 * - Sourced information got deleted by Shmayo when he edited the Arameans page.
 * - The map of the Aramaic language is in Dutch, why isn't the English version of the same map used The: Initial area of Aramaic language in the 1st century, and its gradual decline''
 * - Sources that confirm that strengthen anything about Arameans gets deleted.
 * - On the page Terms for Syriac Christians the Assyrian identity part has of course a well written overview but when any editor wants to fill or strengthen the Aramean identity or view the hypocrisy of the Assyrian nationalists like Shmayo emerges. Also that page is written from an Assyrian POV. You can look for proof in the talk page or history page of it.
 * - On the page Terms for Syriac Christians the Assyrian identity part has of course a well written overview but when any editor wants to fill or strengthen the Aramean identity or view the hypocrisy of the Assyrian nationalists like Shmayo emerges. Also that page is written from an Assyrian POV. You can look for proof in the talk page or history page of it.

An example is an editor who wrote this: You see, if you are going to take out all indications of history from Arameans then the same will happen to Assyrians. The Aramean identity section is too small and there is always an Assyrian "nationalist" ready to chop it off.
 * The Arameans were never a single nation or group; rather, Aram was a region with local centers of power spread throughout the Levant. That makes it almost impossible to establish a coherent ethnic category of “Aramean” based on extra-linguistic identity markers such as material culture, lifestyle or religion.
 * This is propaganda that could only be written by an Assyrian nationalist. Ofcourse, the sources used to substantiate this is called cherry picking. 79.193.207.235 (talk) 12:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2023
In the paragraph under the "Religion" heading, there are two typos in the following sentence: "It appears from their inscriptions and their names that thé Arameans worshipped Canaanite and Mesopotamian gods such as Hadad, Sin, Ishtar (whivh they called Astarte)...."

"thé" should be rewritten as "the"

"whivh" should be written as "which" 2600:4040:9518:5A00:78C1:743D:4E73:FC53 (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia! NotAGenious (talk) 19:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Can I add a part about Syriac vs Aramean
Can I add a part about how the Arameans and adopted the term ‘Syrian’? 195.67.91.211 (talk) 13:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If you source it, go ahead. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

A small suggestion
I think it would be a good idea to add Aromanians along with Armenians to the 'Not be confused with' entry at the top of the article. As words Aromanians and Arameans are very close to and perhaps easily confused with each other. Both relate to groups which are much less well known than Armenians in my view. I hope this is non-contentious. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 11:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey this is just a question, but as we all know Arameans clearly dont exist today.
So i was thinking maybe i could a part of where they went extinct? Assyrianmaps (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2024
It says Arameans were. But still today Arameans are alive and still exist! It realy hurts us seeing this written considering the many genocides on our people. Can you please edit it to say are instead of were. Thank you! 92.109.209.55 (talk) 11:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Skitash (talk) 11:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * all the scources can be found on this dutch wikepedia page. https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramee%C3%ABrs 92.109.209.55 (talk) 11:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Arameans dont exist today, i have alot of sources to confirm that today those who call themselves “Arameans” today are separatists 2A00:1598:5000:3C01:5112:FC65:A201:A83B (talk) 09:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024
As a result of migratory processes, various Aramean groups were settled throughout the Ancient Near East, and their presence is recorded in the regions of Assyria,[49] Babylonia,[50] Anatolia,[51] Phoenicia,[52] Palestine,[53] Egypt[54] and Northern Arabia.[55]. Change "Palestine" to "Israel" or to "Kingdom of Israel" or to "Kingdoms of Israel and Judea" Justification: as this paragraph relates to a pre-Hellenization period, before Roman rule, that region wasn't named Palestine yet. The name "Syria-Palestina" was a denomination the Romans gave it after the destruction of the Second Temple and rainsacking of Jerusalem following the Bar Kokhba revolt (along with several other Israelite uprisings). As this event only happened in the 1st century AD, it would be incorrect to refer to this Levantine region as "Palestine" during the time discussed in this particular paragraph. 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: We should stick to what the source says. Skitash (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I just gave sources that say the name of the region wasn't Palestine up until the 1st century AD. Shouldn't we be accurate in the terms we use? 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Arameans are still living today
Separatists or not, there is a considerable number of people that consider themselves as Arameans. This ethnic denomination is even recognized by the State of Israel in the population census to describe ethnic minorities whitin the country. The same goes for Assyrians, Druze and others. We must respect the right for self-determination to all the peoples, including the ones that dont possess a National State, such as the Kurds, Yazidis, Catalans, etc. 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024
As a result of migratory processes, various Aramean groups were settled throughout the Ancient Near East, and their presence is recorded in the regions of Assyria,[49] Babylonia,[50] Anatolia,[51] Phoenicia,[52] Palestine,[53] Egypt[54] and Northern Arabia.[55]. Change "Palestine" to "Israel" or to "Kingdom of Israel" or to "Kingdoms of Israel and Judea" Change "Palestine" to "Israel" or to "Kingdom of Israel" or to "Kingdoms of Israel and Judea" Justification: as this paragraph relates to a pre-Hellenization period, before Roman rule, that region wasn't named Palestine yet. The name "Syria-Palestina" was a denomination the Romans gave it after the destruction of the Second Temple and rainsacking of Jerusalem following the Bar Kokhba revolt (along with several other Israelite uprisings). As this event only happened in the 1st century AD, it would be incorrect to refer to this Levantine region as "Palestine" during the time discussed in this particular paragraph. 2804:18:185D:233C:1:0:F2E8:ED04 (talk) 19:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: In the English language, Palestine best describes this geographic region in the Southern Levant. We do not use religiously affiliated language when referring to geographic places, facts take precedence, as indicated by WP RS. The comment you also made above is also factually incorrect, Druze are most certainly Arabs by any and all metric. JJNito197 (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)