Talk:Arcade Fire/Archive 2

Art Rock
Arcade Fire are, like, quite a lot more Art Rock than this so-called genre Post-Punk Revival, so I'm gonna add it, and if someone by some unexplainable reason disagrees, please write. Revan ltrl (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

in Questionable Content
Hey, this webcomic talks about Arcade Fire and their live act, just thought maybe someone would be interested in mentioning that somewhere in the article if you find a place where it might fit naturally. --Politizer (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Home demos
The fact that it has been reported that Arcade Fire are "in the very early stages" or doing "home demos" is not noteworthy. This simply means they are trying out new material and is something that I would expect all bands who have not broken up to be doing. It could be months or even years before a new album is announced. When there are official announcements about a new album then that would be noteworthy. In the meantime this is dubious speculation which fails WP:CRYSTAL. Please wait for an official announcement. --JD554 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The Flaming Lips
can be found here: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/03/the-flaming-l-1.html and here: http://stereogum.com/archives/wheres-the-beef/flaming-lips-vs-arcade-fire-round-2-win-butler-str_056571.html

i personally, have almost no experience with wikipedia, but if someone else could incorporate this stuff, that would be grand. --69.123.135.48 (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Members
Owen Pallett should probably be added to the list of members. He's almost always with them, despite being Final Fantasy, and is given credit on their MySpace. He sometimes plays violin live and works on recording with them as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.74.77 (talk) 12:22, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

2001 Demo
There is a 10 song demo by the band that is most likely unreleased but available on the internet. Many people are unaware of its existence and due to the popularity of the band it should probably be mentioned. Adding to its significance, the final song may help to explain the story behind the name of the band. The music is closer to folk, as opposed to their current orchestral sound.

01 Winter for a Year

02 My Mind Is A Freeway

03 Accidents

04 Goodnight Boy

05 Asleep At The Wheel

06 In the Attic

07 Can't Let Go Of You

08 You Tried To Turn Away My Fears

09 Instrumental

10 The Great Arcade Fire —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.53.68 (talk) 07:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Arcade Fire / The Arcade Fire
I went through the article and, wherever applicable, changed "Arcade Fire" to "the Arcade Fire", per consensus at featured articles Pixies and Sex Pistols. The most specific rationale I could find is here at Talk:Pixies. Note that though the CDs label songs by "Arcade Fire" (as such, the article should stay that way), in prose, such as on their myspace page, "the" is used. See also small discussion above at Talk:Arcade Fire. -M.Nelson (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable to me. It appears that either is acceptable; it would be nice to be consistent. Even The New York Times is not consistent: in February 2007 it's "Arcade Fire" in running text, but in March 2007 it's "the Arcade Fire". That said, I've noticed a general trend in the Canadian media: it was "the Arcade Fire" around 2005 but "Arcade Fire" from 2008 onwards .  Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * At the moment the article is inconsistent and calls the band variously "Arcade Fire", "The Arcade Fire" and "the Arcade Fire". Just because the band themselves and reliable sources are inconsistent with how the band name is written, doesn't mean we should be. We should try to figure out what the majority of reliable sources use and stick with that. --JD554 (talk) 07:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Discography Format
Okay so let's try not to start an edit war here. What's going on with the discography formatting? Why the back and forth? --Leodmacleod (talk) 05:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Rock, Indie or Alternative.
It appears we have a conflict and a wee edit war going on re the genre of the bank. I have reverted at least three times (and others have repeatedly done the same) in the last week from 'Rock' back to 'Indie' or 'Alternative Rock'. Since the page was created in 2004 the opening line reads "is an indie rock band", which is just about right in my book. Alternative is fine, but not Rock - they use chimes and violins - more Baroque than rock. Snoop God (talk) 09:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say "indie rock" if we have to be specific about it, though I doubt there are really workable definitions for most of these subgenres. Rolling Stone calls them "Montreal indie rockers". Allmusic.com classifies them as "Indie Rock" and "Alternative/Indie Rock". Etc.--Cúchullain t/ c 12:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd agree that indie rock is a better description and one that is used my the majority of reliable sources. However, a number of sources also use baroque pop and art rock. As neither baroque pop or art rock fall under the indie rock banner, or alternative rock for that matter, we need a simple way of summarising their genres in the lead section. I think describing them as a rock band in the lead does that. --JD554 (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I would be okay with "rock". On the other hand I don't see any problem with "indie rock", as that's how the majority of sources describe them (the ones that bother anyway). I don't see a lot of sources describing them as "alternative rock", except to the extent that the terms are synonymous. I would object to anything more specific than that, as overclassification does nothing to help the reader understand the subject. The music itself can be described in its own section, with proper attribution of course.--Cúchullain t/ c 15:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd not drop the "Rock," that's for sure.
 * What about Progressive Rock? Has anyone ever called them that? - tSR - Nth Man (talk) 00:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Quebecois vs. Quebecer
We seem to be having a back and forth about this and I'd like to get some broad concensus about this. This is the contents of the article "Québécois":


 * As a noun, Québécois (feminine: Québécoise), also Quebecois (fem.: Quebecoise) or Québecois (fem.: Québecoise), may refer to:


 * A Quebecer, a native or inhabitant of the province of Quebec.
 * A French-speaking Quebecer
 * A French-Canadian Quebecer
 * A Quebecer, a native or inhabitant of Quebec City
 * Québécois, a name sometimes used for Quebec French in order to emphasize its distinctness from European French.
 * Le Québécois, a newspaper based in Quebec City
 * The word Québécois itself. For this, see Québécois (word).

So, if I'm to understand correctly, since Régine Chassagne is a French-speacker from Quebec, regardless of her Haitian heritage, she could accurately be described as a "Québecoise" or "Quebecer", as oppose to English-speaking William Shatner, who could only be termed a "Quebecer".

This is from the article "Québécois (word)":


 * "In English, it is used primarily to refer to a French-speaking native or inhabitant of the Canadian province of Quebec,..."

This single line is then cited 6 times. I don't see what's inappropriate in using the word "Québécoise" for Régine, since it seems to me to be more specific to her than "Quebecer".

---Leodmacleod (talk) 19:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's also my understanding. --JD554 (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The term is being used with 'Texan' for the other singer, to describe the place of origin. Hence, it is not describing language here, but where they are from. She is from Quebec, meaning she is a Quebecer. If you want to emphasize language in this description, you should use the term French-speaking Quebecer. A Quebecois is not necesarily french-speaking as described in the "Anglo-Québécois" term in English-speaking Quebecer. And the fact, that her family is from Haiti, that she went to anglophone universities, that she is working in English and that she married an anglophone does not really make her french-speaking or to put in the first paragraph. It's not even mentioned in her article. Not hard feeling though. 132.206.124.165 (talk) 16:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, I think you're taking this way too personally. Second of all, if you'd have read the articles you're citing, you'd have noticed that the term "Anglo-Québécois" is a French and not an English word.  Also, Haitians speak French.  She would have grown up with it as her first language.  I also don't see what bearing her husband or higher education has on it.  I'm from Texas where we have a large Spanish-speaking population known as Tejanos.  If I went to school in Mexico City, then came home and married a Tejana, that would not make me a native Spanish speaker.


 * Tejanos are another perfect example of type of thing I'm talking about. While everyone from Texas is a "Texan" only native Spanish-speakers are "Tejanos".  The same applies to Quebec. Everyone is a Quebecer, but only French-speakers are Québécois.  Also, all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. -- Leodmacleod (talk) 18:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for replying. Don't worry, there nothing personal on this issue :). I'm just emphasizing that there is no real consensus right now to refer to French-speaking Quebecers as Quebecois on Wikipedia. I have not really seen many articles that put emphasis on Quebecois when describing the person. The language she works, have studied in and her husband speak play a big role in describing the person's language. This is shown by the naming of French-speaking Quebecer article itself (Should this article be then redirected to Quebecois or the reverse?) and the description of Quebec-born singers such as Celine Dion, Garou (singer) or Marie-Mai. Maybe you should just use French-Canadian or leave it like that given the various references that Quebecois refers to as mentioned in the Quebecois article. Anyway, if you insist on that, maybe you should first raise the issue at WP:CANSTYLE.


 * As for her Haitian thing, from Haitian Creole language, Haitian Creole language (kreyòl ayisyen), often called simply Creole or Kreyòl (pronounced [kɣejɔl]), is a language spoken in Haiti by about 7.0 million people (as of 2001[update]), which is nearly the entire population.


 * I won't put back any Quebecois or Quebecer anymore in this article since there have been too many reverts. It would be good if you just leave it like that. I'm off from this article. Adios. 132.216.19.227 (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it would be good if you take a more respectful tone and not directly tell other editors what they ought to do. These talk pages are for reaching consensus and that can't be achieved through direction.  And I apologize if anything I said seemed less then respectful.  It wasn't my intention.


 * As for a good reason to use the word, general usage is valid enough. I'm from Texas and JD554 seems to be from the UK and we mutually understood the word to be a French-speaking Quebecer.  If that's not enough, I would think that the heavily reference lined from the intro to Québécois (word) would be.


 * French is one of Haiti's official languages and the one spoken by the white Haitians I've met. She has worked in French as well, like on the songs "Haiti" and "Black Wave/Bad Vibrations", and has been descibed as singing English with an accent.  I think it's reasonable to believe she probably spoke French, or some form of it, at home as child.  That would constitute being a native Francophone.


 * French-Canadian is often, but not always, understood as "a nation or ethnic group of French descent that originated in Canada during the period of French colonization beginning in the 17th century." I think that's why Quebecois was used in the first place.  To specifically descibe her as a French-speaking Quebecer who's not a descendent of the people who colonized Quebec, that's all.


 * Frankly, it doesn't matter all that much to me. I have a feeling there's some tricky Canadian political issue involved in the use of this word.  Why don't we just use Canadian and American and go on?  ---Leodmacleod (talk) 01:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that would be good. Maybe someone else will find a better wording later on. Bye. 132.206.22.9 (talk) 02:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Is a Canadian an English speaking Canadian? Of Course not. Just like a Chinese is not an English speaking Chinese. These words are translated in most languages, and Québécois is a French word translated in English as Quebecer (or Quebecker). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.155.80 (talk) 05:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Dark is the Night
Also noteworthy for 2008-present : recorded track "Lenin" for the album Dark was the Night —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.185.106 (talk) 22:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

A disputable part of the opening of the page for this band is " they have won numerous awards." Yet only 2 or 3 awards are mentioned. I would say that more awards be described or brought up or this statement is false. Many many nominations are mentioned but those are not awards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.50.215.110 (talk) 03:14, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Page For Tours
Please include separate pages for the "Funeral", "Neon Bible", and "The Suburbs" tours. Thank You. 76.252.209.45 (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)1OTwenty

(UTC)707Zero — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.79.179 (talk)
 * I totally agree the actual tours the band went on should be separate pages. 76.252.209.47 (talk) 11:40, 30 November 2012

4th Album
In February 2011, the band happened to be starting to work on their 4th album, based on jazz music from the 1940s and 1950s. Thank You. 76.252.209.164 (talk) 02:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)RickOSan

Colbert Report appearance
The group appeared on the Colbert Report, 21 October 2013.

According to the CR website: "The Reflektors, Album "Reflektor" - Indie rock band The Reflektors perform a song and discuss their upcoming shows."

Do they continue to to use the name "Arcade Fire" and CR got it confused with their album, or have they changed it to "The Reflektors"? Personally, I think it would be a grand name change. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 05:04, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * By the way, Winn Butler told Colbert about a charitable group in Haiti that they support. I don't remember the name, but it will appear on the full episode tape when it's posted online. http://www.colbertnation.com/ Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 05:13, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Phillips Exeter promo piece
Reading this article gave me the impression that Arcade Fire was a band whose most important characteristic is that it was formed while Mr Butler went to Phillips Exeter. Any objection to removing the reference from the intro paragraph, so as to cut down the number of references to 2 in the first 5 paragraphs? Or is the founding member's prep school really that crucial to understanding the band? (As opposed to highly gratifying for students and alums of PE?) 171.64.36.71 (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. Arcade Fire most definitley did not form at Phillips Exeter. One of the founding members of Arcade Fire went there, and founded his first band there, but whatever it was most certainly was not Arcade Fire. This should be removed. PE could be talked about in the bio of Win, if it's important, but it has no relevance to the group whatsoever. I'll change it soon if there are no objections. Trefalcon (talk) 09:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just checked the reference link for the above claim of the group founding at Phillips Exter academy and there was no mention of any band being formed there at all, let alone Arcade Fire. I'll edit this out now. Trefalcon (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It appears both Butler and Deu attended the school, but the band was not formed until afterwards in Montreal.Karst (talk) 11:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Josh Deu???
He's listed on the list of former members. Who was this guy and how was he a member in 1998 when there wasn't an Arcade Fire for another 5 years? --Leodmacleod (talk) 20:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, he's mentionned in this Exclaim! article as a bit of a friend-of-a-friend in the USA, with Win later following him to Montreal. The article implies that he was in the band at its inception but isn't too clear. -M.Nelson (talk) 04:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * His role is now referenced and included in the formation section. He was part of the early incarnation of the band but left in 2003. Karst (talk) 11:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

"The Arcade Fire", or "Arcade Fire"
Is the group called "The Arcade Fire", or simply "Arcade Fire"? The article is titled without the "The", yet the infobox and opening sentence includes it. Also, no single and album article includes the "The", and iTunes don't either. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

>>>Long story short, both are acceptable... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.118.113.155 (talk) 16:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Long story short, both are acceptable. Generally use whichever fits best (readability). For instance, their myspace uses "Arcade Fire" as the official name or whatever, then later states "The Arcade Fire are Win Butler, etc". -M.Nelson (talk) 16:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

On the insert lyrics sheet with the "Funeral" CD, it clearly states the name as "The Arcade Fire". However, this usage is not consistently applied across the band's material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.242.106 (talk) 14:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

During their Glastonbury 2014 set the lead singer said "We are The Arcade Fire". 86.173.33.232 (talk) 08:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Grammy
"including the 2011 Grammy for Album of the Year (they hold the distinction of being the only musical group to have won their first and only Grammy in that category)"

What about Fleetwood Mac? Progenie (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced information on early shows?
The information provided in this commit appears suspicious to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arcade_Fire&diff=414144192&oldid=414136557

The only references on the internet to Arcade Fire playing at Inside Out Soul Fest are straight copies of Wikipedia. This could be "original research" in Wikipedia parlance, or a subtle attempt at trolling the page. From what I can tell, no reference has ever been offered for this information - which should make it a no-go for Wikipedia, but I'm curious, so I tried to research it a bit. Googling leads me to believe this did not actually happen.

I also pulled up SoulFest's lineup on the Internet Archive and Arcade Fire is not on it: http://web.archive.org/web/20010809073008/http://newsoundconcerts.com/iosf/index.html

Bluebeary (talk) 02:40, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Earliest show appears to be November 2001 on setlist.fm. The rest needs further confirmation. Karst (talk) 11:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I booked their first show in a small bar on Cresent Street. They used to come play open house at the Yellow Door, which I was booking at the time. However, the season was at an end so I booked them together with a couple other acts (Solid Tin Coyote I recall was one of them) at a small bar on Cresent below St. Catherines. -OH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.139.26 (talk) 02:32, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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Canadian-American vs. Canadian
Given the band is often described as Canadian-American (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/16/the-dotted-line), what is the rationale for labeling them as solely Canadian in the article? I've changed the wording to state they "are a Canadian-American" band and the revision was undone with no rationale. If two of the band members are American citizens and the band was, at one point, majority American, wouldn't it be more accurate to state they are Canadian-American? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RainbowCrown (talk • contribs) 19:20, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The issue of British and American on the Fleetwood Mac has to do with the fact that the band first had success in the UK as a blues rock band (feat. Peter Green), before moving to the US. The MOS:BLPLEAD is quite specific in these cases I'm afraid, although I fully understand this can be confusing. The opening paragraph should summerise the notability of the subject. In this case, the band Arcade Fire was formed, are based and became notable in Canada. The ethnicity or nationality of the individual members is generally not mentioned, unless it is especially relevant (see for instance Carlos Santana). Karst (talk) 10:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Yellow Door
I used to run the Yellow Door coffeehouse in Montreal. The band used to play open stage there and had their first gig ever booked out of there - but because the season was at it's end they ended up playing their first gig at a bar on Cresent below St Catherines. The people who booked the show were April Defalco and Orlee Hauser - both from the Yellow Door. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.28.169.3 (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Page move for The Suburbs (album)
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This is a poor article
I'm sorry, but this is a poorly written article. For example, it doesn't mention what was the response for the album 'Everything Now', not even a brief comentary. And I think a lot of people would be interested about their music influences (the article mentions Bowie a lot, but without some section we can only guess). I know Régine haitian anccestry is interesting, but I think the fans of the band will be also interested in a lot of other things, that are easely available on the internet (just look at the Radiohead article to see were I'm going. I'm not comparing them to Radiohead as a band, but I guess you see my point). — Preceding unsigned comment added by ViniciusBCaetano (talk • contribs) 19:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The article was last assesed in 2008, so its natural that that happens. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 19:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)