Talk:Archbishop Carroll High School (Washington, D.C.)

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Is there a way to reference an in-house source for a piece of information? The 2007-08 enrollment number of 620 was obtained from the Archbishop Carroll Vice Principal for Academic Affairs on 2008-02-16. Tschroll (talk) 18:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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"social justice" institution claim
IPs from George Mason University have repeatedly made the claim that this school is a "social justice" Institution. It has been removed in the last month by me, by User:John from Idegon and by user:Archer1234. I have not checked to see if there is a previous  history of this edit.

Is there any justification for calling this a "social justice" institution? Some of the attempts to add this claim have been unsourced. The most recent sources it to teh school's 2015-15 planner, but that's not an independent source. Meters (talk) 21:57, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Here are some sources that I had used/want to use to support that claim


 * 1) https://books.google.com/books?id=q13c6tJPMQ8C&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=archbishop+carroll+high+school+(washington+d.c.)+social+justice&source=bl&ots=qNjgEoqelu&sig=ACfU3U3VdYvcCBW2S-RKB4ySZqQxD1SHvw&hl=en&ppis=_c&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiftu2N5ZzlAhVvplkKHQ6tCMk4ChDoATAFegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=archbishop%20carroll%20high%20school%20(washington%20d.c.)%20social%20justice&f=false
 * 2) https://www.archbishopcarroll.org/apps/news/article/706360
 * 3) https://www.archbishopcarroll.org/apps/news/article/476746
 * 4) https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1997/01/08/robert-hoderny-dies-at-48/6e22102d-8721-4dd2-ad75-d3709211426a/
 * 5) https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1997/01/23/dc-teacher-was-a-light-shattering-the-darkness/4edd5eee-d22d-4e89-a74c-badc66706537/
 * 129.174.182.69 (talk) 22:30, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * What you are doing, IP, is original research. You have some obituaries of a teacher which state he was a social reformer. You're extrapolating from that that somehow, the school's self-typing as a "Social Justice Institution" is a valid type of school. The only independent source you have is those obits from the WP. The IB directory is information submitted to IB from the school...clearly not independent. Before you could call this secondary school a "social justice institution", you'd have to show two things directly with reliable sources. First, that "social justice institution" is a valid type of school. AFAIK, it isn't. Second, you'd need to show that THIS school is one, according to multiple reliable independent secondary sources is what is generally accepted as a "social justice institution". Since that standard does not exist, you will not be able to do that. John from Idegon (talk) 23:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

"Tolle Lege" is part of the of the schools motto (check the schools coat of arms)
https://www.linkedin.com/school/archbishop-carroll-high-school/ 129.174.182.69 (talk) 22:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * We have a reliable source that gives the motto. Not every Latin phrase that is included in the crest is part of the official motto. Unless you have a reliable source that states that "Tolle Lege" is part of the motto, leave it alone. Meters (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, I did have a citation for it but, It got deleted by someone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.174.182.69 (talk • contribs) 22:42, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * Provide the ref or a WP:diff to the edit (I looked and I can't find it) and I'll look at it. If it's a reliable ref that actually states that "Tolle Lege" is part of the motto then we can add it. Meters (talk) 23:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

"Know, Love, Serve" is also part of the school motto (the source bellow breaks it down with definitions)
https://www.archbishopcarroll.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=296454&type=d&pREC_ID=684692 22:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)22:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you know what a motto is? The page simply says "To be part of the Carroll community is to receive a call to know, love and serve God and each other. " That's not a motto. Meters (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry wrong link.


 * Here's a better one (look at the top left of the picture): https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTriyeKH3eoa7aUZx_eyLBXB7O2GhJwbQPAzEvwu3vT69O6ff8m1w 129.174.182.69 (talk) 22:40, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Please indent your replies. And that still does not state that that is the school's motto. Meters (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Use of honorifics and tittles (justification or lack there of)
The original text used honorifics and tittles is one argument, while the other is that it may not be bad to change it. What do you (Wikipedia community) decide? 129.174.182.69 (talk) 22:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It does not matter what the original text used. We are not quoting the original text. We don't use them. We only use "Mr. Miss or Mrs when the gender is not obvious from the name, and we only mention degrees when they are being discussed as part of the article. And the meaningless "Esq." is just pointless puffery. Please read WP:MOS . I suggest that you read WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines for a general idea of what goes in school articles. Meters (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It might behoove the IP to understand that this ISN'T the school's page on Wikipedia but an independent encyclopedia article about the school. What the school has to say about itself is 100% irrelevant. An encyclopedia is not the place to record information about the school and is definitely NOT a place for the school to communicate. An encyclopedia reports on what others have written about the school in reliable secondary sources. Period. John from Idegon (talk) 23:40, 14 October 2019 (UTC)