Talk:Archduchess Marie-Astrid of Austria

Requested move 11 April 2006

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don't move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 18:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Archduchess Marie Astrid of Austria → Princess Marie Astrid of Belgium – Although the wife of a member of the former ruling family of Austria-Hungary whose title is recognized in Belgium, Marie Astrid is best known as a Princess of Belgium because she is the only daughter of the reigning King of the Belgians, thus WP Naming Conventions call for use of that style.Lethiere 00:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Archduchess Marie Astrid of Austria → Princess Marie Astrid of Luxembourg – Although the wife of a member of the former ruling family of Austria-Hungary whose title is recognized in Luxembourg, Marie Astrid is best known as a Princess of Luxembourg because she is the elder sister of one of Europe's few reigning monarchs, Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg, thus WP Naming Conventions call for use of that style. Lethiere 22:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support Lethiere 00:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Charles 14:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Gryffindor  21:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  22:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Prsgodd e ss187 00:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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*Pages on princesses whose primary reason for being listed in an encyclopedia is their kinship to a monarchy's royal family should be identified as such when, as in this case, that is also where most people would expect to find her listed. Although her husband's traditional archducal title is constitutionally recognized in Belgium, he was also granted the title of "Prince of Belgium" in 1995, re-enforcing the fact that his wife (and issue) are primarily known by their Belgian royal title inside Belgium as well as abroad.

Lethiere 00:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

*Pages on princesses whose primary reason for being listed in an encyclopedia is their kinship to a monarchy's royal family should be identified as such when, as in this case, that is also where most people would expect to find her listed. Although her husband's traditional archducal title is recognized in Luxembourg, it stems from his membership in an illustrious, but dethroned dynasty.

Lethiere 22:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Not to throw cold water over this discussion, but this Marie Astrid is the daughter of Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg and the late Josephine-Charlotte of Belgium. I believe the Astrid you are looking for is at Princess Astrid, Archduchess of Austria-Este, which had Princess Astrid of Belgium as a redirect. Prsgodd e ss187 11:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the correction! I did indeed mix up these "Astrid" cousins, who are both married to Archdukes of Austria -- although the same premise applies to both. Now, how to correct? Lethiere 21:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good question. I am not sure how well known this Marie Astrid is. The best way to handle the WP:RM is to remove the request for this move, and list the correct one. Prsgodd e ss187 21:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The naming conventions require that consorts have the title of their spouse. After their death they revert to maiden name. As the Archduchess is alive, it follows that the current correct title is Archduchess Marie Astrid of Austria. FearÉIREANN [[Image:Map of Ireland's capitals.png|15px]]\(caint)  22:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


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Requested move 2 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No prejudice to the other proposals in the discussion, which did not reach a consensus, but likely could if nominated alone. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Archduchess Marie Astrid of Austria → Princess Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg – Judging from the majority of sources (including official ones: archived web page and page 36 of official guide) and the pleasure boat, town square and the (demolished) hospital named after her, there's a hyphen in her name. Per google news and book searches, she's better known as a princess of Luxembourg than an archduchess of Austria. DrKay (talk) 08:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Per the sometimes dubious Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) we use a pattern of, "first name, title" for royals with substantive titles. However, in practice we just do "Marie-Astrid of Luxembourg" when we don't have to disambiguate further, per WP:CONCISE. I'm not opposed to some move, but the proposed one isn't it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * These aren't substantive titles. This is a case of Naming conventions (royalty and nobility). DrKay (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose the Grand Ducal Court of Luxembourg uses her married title of Archduchess of Austria.. Its inevitable some google hits will refer to her by her maiden name, and she was involved in the planted story about marrying the Prince of Wales to uncover a mole which no doubt generated a lot of cover pre her marriage. But there’s no reason to treat her as if she’s unmarried by removing her married title . I’m happy for the hyphen to be added. - dwc lr (talk) 12:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per dwc lr. Though I'm also happy for the hyphen to be added. - Richiepip (talk) 18:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)