Talk:Archduke Wilhelm of Austria

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Most of this article is hardly legible, it is written in English with a heavy German syntax. Asaphx (talk) 06:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The grammar is still poor. It looks to me more as if orginally written by a Russian or Ukrainian speaker. I made some corrections but sometimes I may not have correctly deciphered the meaning of the original writer. [Note added later: I see the article was started by a Ukrainian editor. It's a great article, I think!] Richard Gill (talk) 07:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

LGBT people from Austria
I have seen such cats overused and I would not be adding it if I wasn't sure it's applicable; it is based on the talk given by Timothy Snyder whose book The Red Prince: The Secret Lives of A Habsburg Archduke is forthcoming this summer. This is also confirmed by the book's blurb (see Amazon) - "Wilhelm Von Habsburg wore... every so often, a dress [...] he handled women by necessity and men for pleasure.".--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is considered "controversial" and therefore has to be backed up by reliable sources. Furthermore, simply adding the cat without adding any information actually *in* the article isn't very helpful to readers.  If the book is forthcoming, I'd appreciate you waiting until it's out, then adding a paragraph about his personal life, sourced, when adding the cat. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Snyder is a reliable source.Faustian (talk) 14:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * wikiepedia.de:
 * "Von 1925 bis 1929 arbeitete Wilhelm in Spanien als Immobilienmakler, anschließend ging er nach Paris.
 * Dort wurde er schnell Teil des Jetsets, erschien oft in der Boulevardpresse
 * und pflegte öffentlich zahlreiche Beziehungen zu Revuegirls und AUCH ZU MÄNNERN.[25] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2A2D:F500:FDB1:CC09:6EA7:8C0F (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * For completeness: The reference [25] in the German language article is: Wenn er mit Frauen umging, dann aus Notwendigkeit, mit Männern aus Lust. Aus: Timothy Snyder: Der abgeklärte Sinn für das Ewige. In: Wochenzeitung Die Zeit, Hamburg, Nr. 38 vom 10. September 2009, Österreich-Ausgabe, S. 14. Richard Gill (talk) 08:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

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An editor is attempting to remove sourced information without consensus:. Information came from the work of a highly regarded historian and specialist in the field, Timothy D. Snyder. Facts are confirmed by reviewers of this book, such as historian Brendan Simms, who in his review wrote " Who can resist a hero, Wilhelm von Habsburg, who "could handle a sabre, a pistol, a rudder, or a golf club" and who "handled women by necessity and men for pleasure": .  I'm not sure "give more viewpoints" means.  Are the facts correct or not?  That book is one of only two biographies written about the man - the other is from the 1950s and is not easily available.  Since the source is reliable we can assume the fact is correct.  As for the claim of WP:WEIGHT, it consists of 4 sentences in a fairly lengthy article.

I note that this editor has previously attempted to remove information about a Ukrainian nationalist that can be perceived as negative (though objectively there is nothing actually negative about being gay). Here he did the same thing: .Faustian (talk) 03:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The information is sourced, and Snyder's work is scholarly, not some sort of mere 'subjective opinion' (as suggested by the editor trying to remove it). The content is absolutely relevant to Wilhelm's biography as it speaks to his move to Paris, ongoing persecution and despondent state of mind, then final self-exile to Vienna. Removing salient content because someone doesn't like it is blatant censorship. If the editor in question finds it offensive it's their problem, not Wikipedia's. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The British The Independent newspaper is own by the KGB officer Alexander Lebedev. It is a well known fact. The discreditation of the Ukrainian liberation movement is the main priority of the Muscovites. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The Independent was a locomotive of the Russian propaganda under the British banner that criticized the 2014 events in Ukraine. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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