Talk:Archicad

IFC
The "IFC" link is incorrect. It points to the International Financial Corporation and not the Industry Foundation Classes (IFC) from the Alliance for Interoperability (IAI). – It is correct now.Chris81w (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Advertising
Hellows! This article needs some sources and stuffs... It looks like the marketing division wrote this...


 * Agree. Formatting of company and brand names seems to be in line with how the staffers write for their website, not how Wikipedia works. Plus citations have been included that don't support the assertions made. Paul W (talk) 14:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Have just reverted a host of edits intent on capitalising brand names to "ARCHICAD" and "GRAPHISOFT", breaking links to articles written with original product/company name capitalisation. Personally, I this smacks of company marketing interference - potential COI? Paul W (talk) 19:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, I have reverted some anonymous additions made (possible COI?) which cite works that don't support the points made. Possibly ArchiCAD staffer is trying to promote a marketing message (and the same content was cut and pasted into Building information modeling). Paul W (talk) 22:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Assertion perfectly clear, please do your research first before reverting (ArchiCAD staffer???):

''Graphisoft on BIM: ''the concept underlying the Building Information Model is not a new vision, but one upon which our company was founded over 20 years ago with ArchiCAD’s “Virtual Building”;

''Graphisoft has been developing, delivering and refining BIM solutions far longer than your competitors combined

''A Brief History of BIM: ''which makes ArchiCAD the first BIM software that was made available on a personal computer;

''Building Information Modeling Two Years Later, 2005: ''ArchiCAD being conceived as a BIM system from its inception over 20 years ago;

''Modern Construction: In 1987, Graphisoft's ArchiCAD first implemented BIM under the virtual building concept.

added two more for you - ''BIM tools and design intent: ''Radar CH (then become ArchiCAD) by Graphisoft (Hungary, 1984, V1.0) it is considered the first commercial BIM product on the market;

''Drawbacks of BIM concept adoption: A wider application into practice this concept (BIM) acquired only with the development of personal computers when the ArchiCAD software from Graphisoft Company appeared on the scene, which incorporated the idea of Virtual Building — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.251.117.205 (talk) 01:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have done my research, and also identified some inadequacies in your interpretation of the sources.


 * 1) The "Graphisoft on BIM" link (Jerry Laiserin, 2003) does not assert anything like "ArchiCAD became the first implementation of BIM in CAD software". Laiserin writes: "Graphisoft has been developing, delivering and refining BIM solutions far longer than your competitors combined — making ArchiCAD one of the most mature BIM solutions on the market." It is mature, yes, but not necessarily the first (Other 1980s products such as Sonata and Reflex preceded the launch of ArchiCAD but were more mainframe or workstation-type products).
 * 2) The "Brief History of BIM" reference needs to be moved to support the first section of the following sentence.
 * 3) The Newforma white paper reproduced on Laiserin's website again simply makes the point about its maturity (20 years) - not about being first.
 * 4) Your "Modern Construction" citation supports your view up to a point (depends on one's interpretation of "commercial BIM product"), as does the "BIM tools and design intent" citation.
 * 5) Your "Drawbacks" citation, like the "Brief History of BIM" needs to be linked with the PC assertion
 * 6) The "Graphisoft on BIM" link (Jerry Laiserin, 2003) does not support the assertion that "Today, more than 120,000 architects are using it [ie: ArchiCAD] in the building design industry." A Graphisoft employee refers to "over 120,000 users of our BIM technology" - this is not an independent source, it does not mention architects, and it does not mention ArchiCAD.

A key requirement of Wikipedia is that articles should accurately reflect the sources cited and reflect the balance of views expressed in those sources. I have made some changes reflecting the above points which I hope meet Wikipedia's standards. Paul W (talk) 11:28, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I expect you will make the same changes in the BIM article that you reverted.

ArchiCAD 11!?
Can anyone cite the source about ArchiCAD 11? The newest version in 2007 isn't ArchiCAD 10? :S --190.40.99.35 05:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

One could take an easy view to the biased non-NPOV -promotion if the ArchiCAD cult members would not actively remove content from articles about competing software! A good program can stand on its merit; ArchiCAD needs these harekrishnas who sabotage other articles. What a shame: it used to be a visionary piece of software 20 years ago.

Not that writing a NPOV-entry of one's livelihood would be easy! SirteP (talk) 20:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

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