Talk:Archie Amerson/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 18:21, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Going to be reviewing this article. MWright96 (talk) 18:21, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Pass/Fail:

Lead

 * Italize San Diego Union-Tribune and wikilink it
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:50, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Add a link to San Diego County which directs to San Diego County, California
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:50, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

High school career

 * "Amerson was designated the offensive player of the year in the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) after the Morse won the CIF San Diego section championship" - just morse will suffice in the emboldened text
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "He made California District 42's All-Star team in 1992." - since we've already established this was 1992 earlier in the section, reword the text in bold to that year
 * I'm not so sure on this one. We've moved on in the prose to discussing baseball, which he played during high school. I could not find more specific information on start/end years in the available sources, mostly because Amerson didn't continue playing that sport beyond high school. Since we're moving from "during high school" as a time period back to "1992" specifically, I think the date is needed to be clear. Thoughts? ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * (Came here from Rob's talk page) It might be better to leave "1992". The source is from July 1992, so that means that the "California District 42's All-Star" honor must have happened during his junior year of high school since baseball is usually played during the second semester of the school year. Saying "that year" might make some people think it happened during his senior year. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Very well. MWright96 (talk) 16:52, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

College career

 * "On October 5 1996, Amerson scored seven rushing touchdowns against the Weber State Wildcats." - you don't need the year since you have already established the year was 1996 earlier in the paragraph.
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:53, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

1997 season

 * Spell out CFL and put the acronyms in parentheses
 * This is done in the lead and should only be done upon the first appearance per MOS:ACRO. ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "initially being signed by the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. The Tiger-Cats placed - Try not to have the last word of a sentence start the next one like this.
 * ✅, replaced by "The team..." ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikilink Hamilton Tiger-Cats the first time it is mentioned
 * Wikilinked in the lead and infobox. ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

1998 season

 * "The play was described as "the Ticats' biggest play so far this season"." - described by whom?
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:57, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "In a mid-August win over the Eskimos," - replace win with victory for some variety
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:57, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

1999 season

 * Wikilink training camp for the benefit of non-football experts
 * Huh, do you think it should be wikilinked to training camp or training camp (National Football League)? Separately, do you think the latter should be rewritten as an article targeted more broadly at professional gridiron football? It clearly applies to the CFL as well. ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:58, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "Amerson spent time practicing as a punt returner during training camp despite not having returned a punt since high school" I looked at the supporting reference in a database but didn't see that line. I found a reference that supports it at ("AND MANY HAPPY RETURNS: [Final Edition]" Milton, Steve. The Hamilton Spectator, June 24, 1999). WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:29, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes it should be wikilinked to training camp (National Football League) and no I do not believe a separate article for a professional gridiron football training camp would be appropriate. MWright96 (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

2000 season

 * "and two touchdowns in August when the Tiger-Cats played the Roughriders again." - the following month
 * ✅ (though I used "the next month" because the same sentence already used the word "followed") ~ Rob 13 Talk 22:59, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Toronto Argonauts

 * Mike Clemons is a redirect link that needs rectifying
 * I'm not quite sure what your feedback is here? The article Mike Clemons redirects to is the appropriate target; Pinball Clemons was head coach of the Argonauts, but he more often went by his true first name as an executive and head coach. His nickname was more from his playing days. Let me know if I've misunderstood, but I think that was what caused confusion? ~ Rob 13 Talk 23:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have made the adjustment myself just so you could understand I wanted the change to be made. MWright96 (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the change, but typically that shouldn't be done per WP:NOTBROKEN. ~ Rob 13 Talk 15:38, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Very well MWright96 (talk) 16:52, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

2001 season

 * offensive link is a redirect link which should be to Lineman (gridiron football)#Offensive line
 * Again, it does go there currently. Note WP:DONOTFIXIT. ~ Rob 13 Talk 23:03, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "The Tiger-Cats "rode Amerson's coattails" - perphaps you could state with publication wrote that quote
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 Talk 23:04, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

2004 season

 * "Through fourteen regular season games, Amerson caught 47 passes for 894 yards and five touchdowns." - A slight rewrite to Amerson caught 47 passes for 894 yards and five touchdows through fourteen regular season games. would improve the prose
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 23:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "a knee injury forced Amerson to undergo surgery to repair torn cartilage." - a torn cartilage.
 * To me, it sounds extremely odd to use an indefinite article before "cartilage". I've reworded the sentence to avoid this while using a definite article instead. Let me know your thoughts on the prose now. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 23:08, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. MWright96 (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Personal life

 * "Andrew Amerson briefly signed with the Toronto Argonauts but didn't play in any games." - no contractions please
 * ✅ ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 23:09, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Non-reviewer comment
The lead might need some work. Some of those things are unreferenced. His Grey Cup win should probably go in the lead as well. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:04, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

That is my lot. Going to put this review on hold. MWright96 (talk) 20:29, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I've done most of the stuff above and asked for further feedback on a few points. Let me know if you'd like me to do anything else. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 23:09, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I always forget to spend time on the lead ... here, I suspect the old lead is what is still in the article. I'm on the "holiday stuff" at the moment, so if you're able to jump in on the lead, I'd appreciate it. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 02:33, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Have added the wikilink for training camp which directs to training camp (National Football League). Just waiting on the issue with the lead so I can pass this review. MWright96 (talk) 14:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm currently not in a good position to fix up the lead. I'd like to consult some of the sources while I do so, but access to them is back home and I'm visiting family. Please be a bit lenient on the hold time here due to the holidays. If hasn't gotten to the lead by January 2 when I return home, I'll do it that day (or the next). (And thanks again for all the help and feedback, both of you.) ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 04:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Lead is much better now. Can you let me know if you'd like any other changes made? Thanks! ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 19:54, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No other changes need to be made. Thus, I can now promote this article to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 20:29, 5 January 2018 (UTC)