Talk:Arctic Ocean/Archive 1

Marine life
Little marine life exists where the ocean surface is covered with ice throughout the year. This is unlikely to be true, unless marine mammals are meant. I didn't edit it however.

I'm taking it out. I don't believe this is true. The water under the ice is rich compared to, say, the Sargasso Sea. M dorothy 04:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Cold War
Since the Cold-War oriented strategic location is aleady mentioned once, I substituted for the second mention: "The Arctic Ocean is important as the shortest air route between the Pacific coast of North America and Europe." Wetman 21:46, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hudson Bay
Hudson Bay is not in the Arctic Ocean. At least according to drainage maps I've seen, the border between the Arctic and Atlantic drainage basins shows that the border is at the eastern tip of Baffin Island. Earl Andrew 18:35, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I have copied a paragraph from Hudson Bay showing which sources consider it to be part of the Arctic vs. Atlantic Ocean. -- Beland (talk) 07:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Ports and harbours
should Arkhangelsk be included?

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How about Akureyri, Iceland? It's the second-largest city of Iceland, and it is a port in its own right. The only question is whether one considers the northern shore of Iceland to be within the Atlantic Ocean or whether Arctic waters extend to the northern shore of Iceland. Pbrower2a (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Arkhangelsk was already there; I added Akureyri since the north short of Iceland does generally seem to be included. -- Beland (talk) 06:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Suggest 8 possible wiki links and 3 possible backlinks for Arctic Ocean.
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 * In Narwhal, can backlink Arctic Sea: ... the tusk was used to pierce the ice covering the Narwhal's Arctic Sea habitat. Others suggested the tusk was used in echolocation...
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 * Some of these were still applicable, so I implemented them as appropriate. -- Beland (talk) 06:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Natural Resources 2
Looking to expand this section, will be creating a new page called Arctic Petroleum Play unless some one would liek to suggest other wise Philbentley 02:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

A bit deceptive?
At first glance, it would appear that the two maps under environmental concerns show decreasing ice cover because of global warming, due to the maps' location in the environmental section. On reading the captions, however, the maps are simply showing ice cover at the beginning and end of summer or winter. Perhaps the maps should be moved to a different section in the article. AlexiusHoratius 08:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agreed with you and did some searching, I've referenced the original source of the data, and provided a clear description of the images. If someone wants to tweak the layout feel free. I think it could still be moved though, I just didn't feel that strongly about it. Regards SeanMack 15:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually the more I looked at it - the more obvious it was that the 2 sets of climate images needed to be swapped. Cheers. SeanMack 15:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * These maps have since been changed out. -- Beland (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hudson Bay
Is it really part of the Arctic Ocean? Its main opening is into the Atlantic, it lies below the arctic circle and is only connected to the Arctic Sea by a narrow strait. Xtrump 01:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, it should not be considered part of the Arctic ocean. If it were filled in (and it will be in ~10,000 years by isostatic rebound) it would be part of the Atlantic watershed.


 * However, the size figure given includes Baffin and Hudson and apparently that's part of some official definition, so I suppose it must stay for now. The way, the truth, and the light 02:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the IHO defines the ocean boundaries in its special publication 23, and explicitly excludes neighbouring seas from the oceans proper. This definition, which I've added to the article, forms a rough circle whose limits are the various islands bordering the ocean. The Arctic Ocean proper thus never crosses into the Canadian Arctic Islands, never mind approaching Hudson Bay! The latter, by the way, is closed by a (great circle) line running from Nuvuk Point, Québec (62.35°N, -78.1°W) to Leyson Point, the southeasternmost point of Southampton Island, Nunavut; it then follows the island's southern and western shore to its northernmost point, then crosses due west to Beach Point (66.05°N, -86.1°W). Urhixidur 17:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a matter of opinion. I think the addition of this sort of detail can be dealt with more equitably: Hudson Bay may be included as part of the Arctic or Atlantic Ocean and is arguably connected to both.  The above is a narrow interpretation of the definition of 'ocean', since oceans are often – if not generally – reckoned to include adjacent seas and bodies of water: almost all earthly waters can be classified as such.  This is corroborated in the IHO listing of oceans and seas, and so the above (U.'s) interpretation may also be incomplete.  Consult the CIA World Factbook entry for the Arctic Ocean, for example, which is rather based on the unpublished 1983 edition delimiting oceans and seas: this volume also includes Hudson Bay as part of the Arctic Ocean.  Also glance at the locator map in Wikipedia, which is a copy of the map in the Factbook and reflects the above.  Regarding watersheds/drainage basins, the Atlas of Canada doesn't help matters, as Hudson Bay is treated separately from both the Arctic and the Atlantic, though I concur with Tw/tt/tl's assertion above.  In any event, if one considers Hudson Bay to not be a part of the Arctic Ocean, then it must be considered part of the Atlantic – this assertion has added meaning if one considers the Arctic a northern sea of the Atlantic (which is implied in the original commentator's reference to the 'Arctic Sea').  Anyhow, I will make appropriate edits shortly.  Quizimodo 03:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course it's a matter of opinion —I'm just relating the IHO's. Looking at map 1 of SP-23, we see Hudson Bay (16) separated from the Arctic (17) by the Northwestern Passages [sic] (14), and from the North Atlantic (23) by the Hudson Strait (16A), the Davis Strait (15) and the Labrador Sea (15A).

The fourth edition of SP-23 does include a hierarchy, reflected in this French document, and this lists Hudson Bay (09.11) under the Arctic Ocean (09), along with the Davis Strait (09.09), whilst the Labrador Sea (01.14) is under the North Atlantic (01). Urhixidur 13:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Oceanographically, the Bay is Arctic, as it is filled from a cold current flowing in from the Foxe Channel and out through Davis Strait (eventually becoming the Labrador Current). Urhixidur 13:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have copied a paragraph from Hudson Bay showing which sources consider it to be part of the Arctic vs. Atlantic Ocean. -- Beland (talk) 07:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed oceans project
Anyone interested in joining a project to deal with the oceans is free to indicate their support at WikiProject Council/Proposals. John Carter (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Arctic ice minimum
The image in the article states that the record minimum was in September 2005. The record minimum was in September 2007, I believe. Orcaborealis (talk) 09:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed the image to one from 2007 that shows several different years. There is another one that shows the ice cover from two days ago but does not indicate if it's a record minimum or not. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 12:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

The Southern Ocean is Fake and Made Up by a Wiki Editor
I'm requesting this entire article and any reference to it be deleted. Seriously- who invented this? I say 'invent' because it appears as if some genius editor based on some new 'guidelines' proposed and adopted by the IHO to determine what exactly an ocean is.

When I and EVERY one else in the world was growing up, there were FOUR, not five, oceans- period. How different have things become that the 'southern ocean' is now considered a rael ocean where it wasn't so before? Did something down there change in the last 20 years taht this place is now considered its own ocean? Doubtful. Just another example of how out of control Wikipedia is these days. Tatumstevens (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in the material in the CIA World Factbook about the Southern Ocean here, or the Encyclopedia Britannica article here, or, maybe, any of the other 2.3 million pages or so that come up in the Google search for the term here. John Carter (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The other problem this is an article about the Arctic Ocean located in the Northern Hemisphere. I think you might be looking for the Southern Ocean which is in the Southern Hemisphere. You might want to take this up with the International Hydrographic Organization who defined the thing in the first place. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 06:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

ice area all off
The ice cap are figures are off by a thousand times, and need correcting. --AGF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.241.205 (talk) 04:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 05:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

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