Talk:Ardoyne

PIRA
One problem I have with this article is the following statement: "The IRA had been a presence beforehand, but leading up to the beginning of "The Troubles" in 1969, many young Men from Ardoyne choose to join the Provisional IRA or the INLA..." The statement as "Leading up to...in 1969" is problamatic for two reasons:

1) 1969 marked the year when the Provisional IRA, as we know it, split with the Official IRA. I do not believe that, prior to 1969, there would have been formal distinctions made between the two groups, as they would have, instead, been represented by two competing philosophical strains within what was then a loose-knit organization (compared with later years) known as the Irish Republican Army.  I believe that it is more correct to say that they chose to join the IRA, as the term "Provisional" Irish Republican Army, or "Provos", would most likely not have come into common usage by the people in Northern Ireland until the next couple of years.

2) The INLA began in the 1970's, not in the 1960's, and therefore it is incorrect to say that young men would have "chose" the INLA, since it didn't exist. - T.J.Swartz

are you even from my community u know nothing of which you speak Eamonn Ard-Eoin 2007

The article says; "The rise in popularity of the Provisional Irish Republican Army and the Irish National Liberation Army led to more police raids in the area, supported on occasion by the Army." The statement is incorrect. The implication that there were only a small number of Police raids prior to "the rise in popularity of the Provisional Irish Republican Army" is not true. I was born and raised in Ardoyne and there simply was no IRA prior to multiple sectarian attacks by the Police and their auxiliary unit, the B-Specials in 1968-69 time period. In order to defend themselves, the locals organised and the IRA emerged in the atmosphere of fear that was caused by the Police. I will research the historical record and submit edits for discussion, in the hope of presenting a fuller more accurate history of Ardoyne, both before and after the commencement of the "Troubles". Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnymac60 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Ardoyne Today
I feel this section presents negative opinions as facts without supporting the statements with evidence. This is especially true starting from the paragraph beginning with: "North Belfast is sorry to have a place like Ardoyne". Calling an area "ugly" (which is a subjective term) without offering supporting facts for that opinion, is inflammatory, in my opinion.

The statement about Ardoyne people claiming benefits and never having had jobs seems, at the very least, a gross generalisation, and there is no factual reason offered for including such a statement.

Calling Ardoyne "a disgrace" similarly, is a negative opinion presented as fact, without any factual reason being presented for the inclusion of that statement.

Lubyanka 07:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed it. Stu   ’Bout ye!  08:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't Ardoyne have any existence apart from the troubles?
Surely there's something we can say about a community of 20,000 beyond that it has seen more than its fair share of conflict in the last few decades? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

There was quite a large flax industry with possibly four mills in the area up until the late sixties, I'll see if I can dig up some references and add a section. Batgranny I finally got round to adding a little section, edit as you see fit. Batgranny — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.16.165 (talk) 16:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

POV tag
After a series of edits I have gone ahead and removed the POV tag as I have, I believe, removed the pro-republican bias and made the article more neutral. If the edits are still unsatisfactory please raise the problems here and I will attempt to address them with further edits. Thanks. Keresaspa (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see any pro-republican bias in the article. It looks neutral to me.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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