Talk:Ardscoil Rís, Dublin

Grammar
I'd like to request that those who edit this page start to check over what they have written for grammatical errors. A perfect example, which I intend to fix up, is "This carrys on until 3rd year however,during the 2nd year christmas tests, student may go up a class or go down!". This sentence should state "This carries on until 3rd year. However, following the Christmas tests in 2nd year, students may be promoted to a higher class".

On another note, please make sure that anything you state is actually true. An example of this is also visible in the above quote. Students are not demoted to a lower class following Christmas tests. They may, however, choose to study a subject at Ordinary/Higher Level and therefore be moved into a different class for that subject only (provided it runs at the same time for each class, e.g. maths). 86.42.124.195 18:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

As well, please note that it is terrible grammar if you say "The school does subject/activity". Therefore, please refrain from this. If you're unsure if something you want to add is grammatically correct, don't edit the page. 86.42.124.195 19:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)#

It may be more effective to leave a message on the individual editors pages rather than on the talk page. Face-2-face (talk) 23:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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Internet Policy
Would the person who keeps putting the school's internet policy on the page please stop. It's pointless. It's available on the school's website and all you're doing is making the page very long while making actual valuable information hard to find by putting a big long policy there that has no business being there. As for it being "a risky move by Reilly, but the gamble paid off". Seriously, what age aare you? It's department of education policy that all schools be fully equipped with internet capabiliy. He had nothing to do with it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.134.5.157 (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you will find the school's internet policy has great importance, and a necessity for inclusion. As you may be aware, the Internet is the biggest communication tool on the planet and all schools use it on a daily basis. It is essential to show Ardscoil Rís' compliance to Global Internet Policy. Please do not blank the information or I may have to flag down an admin and get your anon ip address banned. Thanks. BonzosRghey (talk) 02:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The policy is on the school's website if people want to see it. On this site it takes up more than half the article and makes it near impossible to read. Who is going to read through an entire policy on internet usage. It has nothing to do with the general information on the school. And could you verify how it was "a risky gamble for Reilly" bearing in mind what I have posted above. That is an opinion, not fact and Wikipedia is about verifiable fact. You've no idea what your at and you, not me, are the one who is messing up the page.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.134.5.157 (talk) 10:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree fully that having the full policy on the page does not in any way contribute to the article. I think that the policy should be mentioned on the page and a brief outline be given, as it appears to be a very notable thing, and then a link to the relevant page on the schools website be placed so that the full policy can still be viewed without making the page unreadable. Tresiden (talk) 11:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have been Bold and removed the policy but have added a link to the document on the schools website so it can still be easily accessed :) Tresiden (talk) 11:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(To: Anon-IP Vandal aka "78.134.5.157") Well your vandal mission has been successful, blanking a valid (and important) policy from the page, and hoodwinking another editor (note: not an admin) into agreeing with your nonsense. Well done. I took the liberty to change the incorrect link to the policy that you originally put up to the actual link to the policy. I've seen these petty tit-for-tat edit wars before and I am not getting involved in one with the likes of you. It's idiots like you that are ruining this site bit by bit. Before I go, if you even knew Pat Reilly, I assure you, this WAS a risky move, even by his standards. BonzosRghey (talk) 15:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Em, Unless you're one of my older colleagues then I'd hazard a guess that I know him a lot longer than you do. And your rationalisation for saying it was a gamble is nonsense. It's opinion, I've already explained to you why it's actually wrong and it has no place on wikipedia. This was not petty. The page looked ridiculous and was totally dominated by the policy to the detrement of other, valuable and more relevent information. I'd say you're about 15 judging by your response above. Certainly hope I didn't teach you to debate like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.134.5.157 (talk) 20:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You couldn't just leave it at that, could you? Your condescending tone of questioning my age is laughable. Having to resort to personal insults shows the weakness of your argument and the gaps in your knowledge. Also, I think you might find that I know Pat Reilly a lot longer that you think you do. Try 25 years on for size? I don't really care anymore at this point (I showed your little prose to Pat and we had a great laugh over it) so do us all a favour and jump back in your box. If resorting to insults and talking down to people is how you teach students how to debate; I am glad I can say you have had no part in educating me. BonzosRghey (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your accusation that I resorted to insults; you'll find that you referred to me as an idiot, threatened to have me banned for having an opinion on how the article should look and referred to me as a vandal for having the temerity to simply disagree with you over what should and should not be in the article. No self respecting adult would write or speak in the way that you do. And no self respecting adult would have such a ridiculous and juvenile username. As for your assertion that you actually showed what I wrote to Pat and then had a good laugh about it, well, let's just say that that's further proof of your lack of maturity. And what exactly do you mean by "I think you might find that I know Pat Reilly a lot longer that you think you do"? I know exactly how long I know him. I'll be sure to ask him the next time I see him if he's aware of what's going on on Wikipedia but then I already know what he's going to say to me. I'd be interested to know exactly when you showed it to him? If you happen to reply to this you might give me the exact date. I might believe you then!

And if, by some miracle, you are actually an adult then you need to get a life. Arguing over people disagreeing with you over what should or should not be on an internet page is about as childish as it gets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.20.194 (talk) 00:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait, you just called yourself childish! Well done! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.74.41 (talk) 20:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Who are you two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lalabla (talk • contribs) 15:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Code of Conduct
Removed same. As above it's someone trying to be smart. All the school's policies are available on the website. There's no need to place it in the middle of the article thus making it virtually unreadable and making the article about 300% longer. Also the bit at the start was total rubbish POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebigfella2000 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Having read the edit I strongly disagree with it's removal. Also due to the recognition this policy has gained throughout Ireland, it deserves a mention here. Reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkd4evr (talk • contribs) 17:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The policies do not belong in the article for any number of reasons. Most important is copyright concerns - unless the school has released the code into the public domain or under GFDL-type license, we cannot use the text here wholesale. Second is, as noted above, undue weight. —C.Fred (talk) 17:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Reilly's policy is one of the most successful of it's type and has been mentioned in many case studies and reports. I now understand that it's inclusion took up the page, however I did not realise it was available on the asr website, hence my inclusion here. I will source a few credits to the policy and mention it briefly. With regard to the copyright issue, Reilly's policy has been released to the public with many schools adopting the policy. The results have sent shockwaves through both the academic and sporting worlds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkd4evr (talk • contribs) 17:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you for real? How do you know if it is successful? What reports has it been metioned in? Who released it to the public? Shockwaves through the academic world? Seriously? All pure POV and as someone with a role in the running of the school I can safely say it is all nonsense too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebigfella2000 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What's relevant to this discussion is what can be traced back to independent reliable sources. Any claims about the success or widespread adoption of the policy can only be included if backed up by news coverage, etc. —C.Fred (talk) 21:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Believe me there's no news coverage etc. Our friend above is talking rubbish. All schools have a code of conduct policy that is unique to the school, drawn up with input from staff, parents, boards of management and other interested parties. By their nature they have to be specific to the school concerned. As it happens there are no copyright issues as all school policies are ultimately lodged with the Department of Education and are considered to be public domain by the Department but none of that excuses the hyperbole above nor the placing of the policy on the page, which served no function other than to destory the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.20.248 (talk) 23:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Well believe me there has been news coverage and I have been researching it. For instance, there was an interview conducted with Reilly which was published in the 'Education' supplement of the Irish Times. In this interview, entitled, 'Pat Reilly: Tactician, Principal, Visionary.', Reilly spoke about the policy in great depth. There was also a mention of the policy on the RTE Six One news. The story focussed on a school in Clare which had extreme disciplinary issues. By applying Reilly's policy the school is now one of the most successful in Munster. So with this evidence you will find that it is in fact our friend above who is talking rubbish, not me. The facts speak for themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wkd4evr (talk • contribs) 18:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Date of Irish Times interview? Online link? Date of RTE broadcast? Surely you understand that your claims are worthless without confirmation? This is not "evidence", as you claim. It is unsubstantiated and useless unless it's backed up.

The Irish Times interview is dated 9th October 2001. There is no online link for the interview, so I obtained a copy from a colleague of mine who works for The Irish Times. The Six One broadcast is dated 25th October 2001. After uploading the footage to youtube it got taken down citing copyright issues from RTE. I suggest you contact RTE for a copy of the broadcast as I did. The evidence is clear and the facts cannot be covered up for long. Also, please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (Wkd4evr (talk) 15:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)) so I know whether or not I am speaking to the same person or if in fact there are a number of you trying to keep the information off the page.

All copies of the Irish Times are searchable online back to 1996. The entire Education supplement (headlines and first paragraphs) are available for free, the rest you have to pay to see but here's the thing. There are almost 15 headlines for October 9th,2001, the usual ones you would expect for the Times Education supplement and nothing about Pat Reilly or indeed the headline you have posted further up the page. Is that why there is no online link? Why would they have a link to every article in that day's education supplement except what would appear to be the key interview of the day? As for RTE; there are any number of news items from RTE available on youtube but the one you put up (if indeed that is what you are suggesting you did) suddenly gets taken down for copyright reasons? And all this within a day or two(?) of putting it up. Sorry, but you are not credible and not just because you cannot prove what you are saying but because I know, because I asked, if these things ever happened. And I was told that they did not. So what are you trying to prove exactly??????Thebigfella2000 (talk) 18:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Please stop trying to create a smokescreen. If the Irish Times online archive is missing articles, then the webmaster of IrishTimes.com (hostmaster@irish-times.com) should be contacted in relation to this. If youtube policy forbids the Six One News piece to be uploaded, then it should be taken up with youtube admins.

I have verifiable proof right here, in the form of the actual supplement itself.

Also, you claim my evidence is "unsubstantiated and useless", yet in your above posting you argue your point by saying you "asked" someone about this and they said it never happened. Who did you ask - someone walking down the street? Do you have an online link to this conversation? This was a ridiculous point to make and the holes in your plot are beginning to show. You asked me what I am trying to prove, but now I would like to ask you what you are trying to prove by attempting to keep this information off the page for as long as possible? Wkd4evr (talk) 18:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I asked Pat Reilly. He has never done an interview with the Irish Times. End of.Thebigfella2000 (talk) 17:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Pull the other one. How can you prove you spoke with Pat Reilly? Another statement with absolutely no solid proof to back it up. Are you suggesting I do not have a copy of the supplement? For the record, the last time I spoke to Pat, he showed me the copy of the article that he has kept since the day it was published. Your argument has fallen flat on it's face and I will be adding the piece back to the main article in the coming days.Wkd4evr (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm suggesting that you are making a total fool of yourself. I speak to Pat every day!Thebigfella2000 (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Which means you have a conflict of interest with the subject. That makes it even more critical that all your edits are based on independent reliable sources and not what you've heard first- or second-hand. —C.Fred (talk) 03:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

To: Thebigfella2000 Prove it. Another statement with no proof. Wkd4evr (talk) 17:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I am an employee of the school. See if you can work out who I amThebigfella2000 (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Grow up. This is not a guessing game, it is a discussion about why you are trying to keep the information off the page. I suppose you are going to reply and claim you are Pat Reilly. No one is buying your prank. My guess is you are a student having a joke with his classmates, because neither Pat nor any of the teachers would fight so hard to keep the information off the page, and furthermore, none of the aforementioned would choose such a silly and adolescent username. My points are proven and backed up. Can a Wikipedia senior editor please step in to clear this issue up for once and for all. Thanks guys. Wkd4evr (talk) 17:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not Pat Reilly. I'm not a student either. I am exactly what I claimed I am. As for the issue being cleared up once and for all it has been. The issue was that you or someone else thought that the entire code of conduct should be on the article page for ArdScoil Ris. I pointed out that it made the page almost unreadable and that as it's on the school website a link would do the job. You then made claims which are NOT proveable as you've not been able to provide a link to them and you also claimed, quite ridiculously, that the code of conduct "sent shockwaves through both the academic and sporting worlds" (what the code has to do with sport I don't know) and that the code had been released into the public domain. The first is pure POV and the second is simply not true. And while we're at it if you knew anything about Ard Scoil you'd know that the Code of Conduct was completely revised in 2007 and that in 2001, the year of all those interviews, the code in place was the one that had been there since the previous principal's time. No more than you can prove what you're saying I cannot prove this, but that does not mean it's not true.Thebigfella2000 (talk) 22:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Past Pupils
Can anyone confirm that Keith Duffy is a past pupil of the school? I've never heard that before, and the article on Keith Duffy is in an awful mess. If it can't be confirmed it will need to be removed asap. Similarly with Paddy Courtney, there is nothing to back it up. Face-2-face (talk) 23:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

They were but I cannot find any online links. They are not mentioned on the school website but they were there. Courtney graduated in 1988 and Duffy left after Junior Cert.Thebigfella2000 (talk) 20:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, you learn something new every day! I never knew that before! I'm happy to take your word for it, so I would propose we leave them in the past pupils section, but with the citation tags, as a source would of course be peferable. Face-2-face (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

New Principal.

Would the person who wrote the section on the issue of the new principal please get a hold of their lives. D. O'Broin got the job and then decided not to take it.. The new principal will be appointed in August. Your piece of the article is not only nonsense it is also libellous.Thebigfella2000 (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Principal
I just reverified against the schools website: Mr. Daithi O’Broin is still listed as the principal. If a change has been made, it must be backed up with a reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 18:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The new Principal Designate is listed on the school website. That should do as a citation.86.44.39.246 (talk) 19:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

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