Talk:Area (LDS Church)/Archive 1

Europe East HQ: Moscow?
Last I knew, Europe East headquarters were in Moscow. Although it may make sense that they would be moved to Kiev when the temple there is complete, I have not heard that this is the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.112.184.20 (talk) 22:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Middle East/Africa North Area
An article in the Church News on May 15, 2010 listed the countries that comprise this area (http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/59335/Area-leadership-named-in-Middle-EastAfrica-North-Area.html).

According to the article, the Area includes Afghanistan, which is not currently listed on the Wikipedia page. The CN article does not list Cape Verde, which is currently shown on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktbnyc (talk • contribs) 14:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Map
This article needs a map of the areas in order to get a better view of the how they are geographically divided. -- 159.182.1.4 20:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We cannot use the one made by the LDS Church due to copyright issues. I am working on making one. –SESmith 23:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Map is up now. –SESmith 07:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thanks for creating it! -- 71.35.46.20 23:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

There's no map now. Where did it go? -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Page needs to be updated.
This page is out of date. The area assignments given are accurate, but the statistics of each area are out of date and need to be updated. I would take care of it myself if I had the time. On second thought, I will do what I can today. Please post here with questions/comments BEFORE reverting any changes I make. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 19:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Page updated, but needs to be tweaked to remove errors. HELP! Thanks. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Just figured out what I did wrong and fixed it myself. The area statistics section is up-to-date and no longer erroneous, but the rest of the page needs an accuracy/update check as well. If no one gets to it before I do, I'll do it myself. Thanks. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 05:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The area leadership section has been updated with the changes announced on February 11, 2012. So the entire page should be up-to-date now. Thank you. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 15:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

August 2012 Changes
Once August 1 arrives, this page will have to be updated with the following information about Areas.
 * As of August 1, 2012, there will be 25 areas, NOT 26. The areas are listed and the area presidencies listed in order: President, First Counselor, Second Counselor, with quorum listed in parentheses.
 * Asia: Kent D. Watson (2nd); Gerrit W. Gong (1st); Larry Y. Wilson (2nd).
 * Asia North: Michael T. Ringwood (1st); Kazuhiko Yamashita (1st); Koichi Aoyagi (2nd)
 * Caribbean: Wilford W. Andersen (2nd); J. Devn Cornish (2nd); Claudio D. Zivic (1st).
 * Central America: James B. Martino (2nd); Carlos H. Amado (1st); Robert C. Gay (1st).
 * Chile: Consolidated into the South America South Area.
 * Europe: Jose A. Teixeira (1st); Patrick Kearon (1st); Kent F. Richards (2nd).
 * Europe East: Larry R. Lawrence (2nd); Randall K. Bennett (2nd); Per G. Malm (2nd).
 * Idaho: Craig C. Christensen (Presidency).
 * Mexico: Only change here is that Jose L. Alonso (1st) is replacing Octaviano Tenorio (1st) as Second Counselor.
 * Middle East/Africa North: Only change here is that Bruce A. Carlson (2nd) is replacing Paul B. Pieper (1st) as Area Co-supervisor.
 * North America Central: Craig C. Christensen (Presidency).
 * North America Northeast: Donald L. Hallstrom (Presidency).
 * South America South: Chile consolidated into this area. Presidency: Mervyn B. Arnold (1st); Jorge F. Zeballos (1st); Francisco J. Viñas (1st).

Hope this information is helpful to you. Thanks. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 04:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Did some major work on this page. As far as I can ascertain, it is up-to-date. Thank you. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 19:15, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2013 Changes in Area Leadership
Based on information available in the Church News and the August 2013 Ensign, I have made changes in Area Presidencies on this page. Please feel free to post here with comments, questions, etc. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 07:03, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Area statistics January 1, 2013 or 2014.
I am posting here because I am deeply concerned about something. Our area statistics are VERY out of date. If the Deseret News had published an Almanac for 2014, we would have area statistics as of 1 January 2013, but even those would be outdated. So my question is, with no Church Almanac, how can we obtain the latest statistics? Temple information and what each area covers stays the same unless the Church announces otherwise, in which case we can make those changes. But we can't guess on the numbers and statistics. So what can we do to get the latest information? I've looked on LDS.org and all I've found is country information, not area. Thoughts? --Jgstokes (talk) 06:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I found one source that we might be able to use, but, unfortunately, I don't have access to it right now. It's a two-volume work covering the growth of the Church throughout the world, and its statistics are current as of mid-2013, which is 1 1/2 years more current than what we have now. It's available on Kindle for $20 each. I looked all over LDS.org and couldn't find the area statistics. Again, I found country statistics no problem, bit no area statistics. What a nuisance! Thoughts? I could really use feedback on this issue. --Jgstokes (talk) 01:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Accessed the Church's country and area websites and was able to find current information on the Africa and Africa West Areas, so I updated those statistics. Finding statistics for the Asia Area is where I ran into a problem. They don't have an official Area page, so I had to click on the individual country websites. Information there was sparse. Here's what I was able to get so far:
 * Asia Area:
 * Cambodia: 8,729 members; 1 mission; 7 districts; 30 branches.
 * China: 24,528 members; 1 mission; 34 congregations.
 * India: 11,690 members; 2 missions; 42 congregations.
 * Indonesia: 6,920 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations.
 * Laos: No information available.
 * Latvia: 1,197 members; 1 mission; 6 congregations.
 * Malaysia: 9,259 members; 33 congregations.
 * Mongolia: 10,763 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations.
 * Nepal: No information available.
 * Singapore: No information available.
 * Taiwan: No information available.
 * Thailand: No information available.

If anyone knows where to find the country statistics we are missing or knows where to find overall area information, please let me know. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Here I am again. Just updated the Brazil Area and completed my analysis of the available Church statistical information for the Caribbean Area, Here's what I've been able to come up with so far:
 * Caribbean Area:
 * Antigua and Barbuda: 209 members; 1 congregation.
 * Bahamas: 962 members; 3 congregations.
 * Barbados: 869 members; 3 congregations.
 * Dominica: 173 members; 1 congregation.
 * Dominican Republic: 126,413 members; 3 missions; 205 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Grenada: 336 members; 1 congregation.
 * Guyana: 5,474 members; 13 congregations.
 * Haiti: 19,216 members; 1 mission; 43 congregations.
 * Jamaica: 5,712 members; 1 mission; 19 congregations.
 * Saint Kitts and Nevis: 194 members; 1 congregation.
 * Saint Lucia: 263 members; 2 congregations.
 * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 578 members; 2 congregations.
 * Suriname: 1,390 members; 6 congregations.
 * Trinidad and Tobago: 3,179 members; 1 mission; 10 congregations.
 * Anguilla: No information available.
 * Aruba: 507 members; 2 congregations.
 * Cayman Islands: 204 members; 1 congregation.
 * French Guiana: 357 members; 1 congregation.
 * Guadaloupe: No information available.
 * Martinique: 197 members; 1 congregation.
 * Montserrat: No information available.
 * Netherlands Antilles: No information available.
 * Puerto Rico: 21,363 members; 1 mission; 41 congregations.
 * Saint Barthelemy: No information available.
 * Saint Martin: No information available.
 * Turks and Caicos Islands: No information available.
 * Virgin Islands (UK): No information available.
 * Virgin Islands (US): 585 members; 2 congregations.
 * Again, if anyone knows where we might be able to find the missing information, please post here. I very much appreciate any help anyone wants to offer. --Jgstokes (talk) 07:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Just finished updating the Central America Area statistics. If all goes well, I should have more time tomorrow to finish updating the statistical information for the remaining areas. Anyone is welcome to help if they are able and willing to. My next task will be tackling the Europe Area. Thanks! --Jgstokes (talk) 08:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The Europe Area has been analyzed. Once again, I found that many countries in this area lacked official information on LDS.org. Here's what I was able to find out so far:
 * Europe Area:
 * Albania: 2,477 members; 1 mission; 11 congregations.
 * Andorra: No information available.
 * Austria: 4,469 members; 17 congregations.
 * Belgium: 6,415 members; 17 congregations.
 * Croatia: 588 members; 1 mission; 6 congregations.
 * Czech Republic: 2,396 members; 1 mission; 13 congregations.
 * Denmark: 4,355 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Finland: 4,866 members; 1 mission; 30 congregations; 1 temple.
 * France: 37,364 members; 2 missions; 107 congregations.
 * Germany: 38,992 members; 3 missions; 171 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Greece: 748 members; 1 mission; 4 congregations.
 * Hungary: 5,050 members; 1 mission; 22 congregations.
 * Iceland: 268 members; 2 congregations.
 * Ireland: 3,071 members; 13 congregations.
 * Italy: 25,453 members; 2 missions; 103 congregations.
 * Liechtenstein: No information available.
 * Luxembourg: 358 members; 1 congregations.
 * Republic of Macedonia: No information available.
 * Malta: 168 members, 1 congregation.
 * Moldova: 355 members; 3 congregations.
 * Monaco: No information available.
 * Netherlands: 9,284 members; 1 mission; 33 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Norway: 4,618 members; 1 mission; 22 congregations.
 * Poland: 1,813 members; 1 mission; 14 congregations.
 * Portugal: 41,917 members; 1 mission; 72 congregations.
 * Romania: 2,990 members; 1 mission; 16 congregations.
 * San Marino: No information available.
 * Slovakia: 239 members; 4 congregations.
 * Slovenia: 425 members; 4 congregations.
 * Spain: 51,192 members; 3 missions; 140 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Sweden: 9,463 members; 1 mission; 40 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Switzerland: 8,741 members; 36 congregations; 1 temple.
 * United Kingdom: 186,768 members; 6 missions; 334 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Azores: No information available.
 * Canary Islands: No information available.
 * Gibraltar: No information available.
 * Greenland: No information available.
 * If anyone knows where I might find the missing information, please post here. In the meantime, on to the next Area! --Jgstokes (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Just finished the Europe East area analyzation. Once again, there were quite a few missing pieces of data. If anyone knows where to find this information, please post here. In the meantime, here's what I've been able to come up with so far:
 * Europe East Area
 * Armenia: 3,159 members; 1 mission; 10 congregations.
 * Belarus: No information available.
 * Bulgaria: 2,402 members; 1 mission; 9 congregations.
 * Cyprus: 428 members; 4 congregations.
 * Estonia: 1,099 members; 4 congregations.
 * Georgia: 250 members; 1 congregation.
 * Latvia: 1,197 members; 1 mission; 6 congregations.
 * Lithuania: 934 members; 5 congregations.
 * Montenegro: No information available.
 * Russia: 22,039 members; 7 missions; 98 congregations.
 * Serbia: 334 members; 3 congregations.
 * Ukraine: 11,439 members; 4 missions; 56 congregations; 1 temple.

I'm really hoping we can find the information we lack somewhere. Thanks for any help anyone is able/willing to give to get this page up-to-date. On to the Idaho Area! --Jgstokes (talk) 00:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Updated Idaho and Mexico Areas. Tried to find information about the Middle East/Africa North Area with no success. So I guess we'll have to look for those statistics elsewhere. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Found most of the stastics for the North America Central Area. The tricky thing about the United States and Canada areas are that they are not divided evenly along state and province lines. Here's the data I was able to dig up:
 * North America Central Area:
 * Alberta: 79,023 members; 2 missions; 212 congregations; 3 temples.
 * Colorado: 149,876 members; 4 missions; 306 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Illinois: 56,932 members; 3 missions; 127 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Iowa: 26,547 members; 1 mission; 69 congregations.
 * Kansas: 35,902 members; 1 mission; 75 congregations.
 * Manitoba: 4,452 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Minnesota: 31,871 members; 1 mission; 75 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Missouri: 68,962 members; 2 missions; 151 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Montana: 48,344 members; 1 mission; 124 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nebraska: 24,140 members; 1 mission; 60 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Northwest Territories: 141 members; 1 congregation.
 * North Dakota: 9,994 members; 21 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nunavut: No information available (possibly no members).
 * Saskatchewan: 5,406 members; 15 congregations; 1 temple.
 * South Dakota: 10,644 members; 1 mission; 33 congregations.
 * Wisconsin: 25,693 members; 1 mission; 68 congregations.
 * Wyoming: 66,259 members; 155 congregations.
 * British Columbia: Unclear how small “small eastern section” is.
 * Ontario: Taking up most of the western part of Ontario, unclear how much that is.
 * Michigan: Wasn’t able to find out how much area the “Upper Peninsula” took up and therefore couldn’t find statistics.

If anyone knows where to find the missing information, again, please post here. Thanks! --Jgstokes (talk) 06:16, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Just finished analyzing the statistics for the North America Northeast Area, and I've got good news and bad news. The good news is that I was able to find most of the statistics for this area. The bad news: the unavailable and missing information is sufficient that I don't feel confident updating the statistics for this area. Here's what I was able to find out. Again, if anyone knows where to find the statistics we are missing, please post here. Thanks.
 * North America Northeast Area
 * Connecticut: 15,352 members; 34 congregations.
 * Delaware: 5,192 members; 12 congregations.
 * Maine: 10,845 members; 27 congregations.
 * Massachusetts: 26,423 members; 1 mission; 52 congregations; 1 temple.
 * New Brunswick: 2,302 members; 6 congregations.
 * Newfoundland: 748 members; 3 congregations.
 * New Hampshire: 8,298 members; 1 mission; 19 congregations.
 * New Jersey: 33,066 members; 1 mission; 61 congregations.
 * New York: 80,535 members; 4 missions; 149 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Nova Scotia: 4,912 members; 1 mission; 14 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Ontario: 51,902 members; 1 mission; 98 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Pennsylvania: 51,527 members; 2 missions; 106 congregations.
 * Prince Edward Island: 490 members; 3 congregations.
 * Quebec: 11,306 members; 1 mission; 35 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Rhode Island: 4,133 members; 8 congregations.
 * Vermont: 4,600 members; 12 congregations.
 * Virginia (since most of the state is in this area, including complete statistics here): 93,395 members; 3 missions; 197 congregations.
 * Washington D. C.: 2,488 members; 3 congregations.
 * Bermuda: Statistic not available.
 * Saint Pierre and Miquelon: Statistics not available.
 * Hope we can find the missing statistics somewhere. --Jgstokes (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Just finished analyzing the North America Northwest Area. I was able to find statistics for the whole area, with the exception of the small part of California that is part of that area. But I looked at an area map, and the portion of California that is in the area is so small that I will just list California statistics in the area that holds most of it. That said, should have the updated statistics for this area on the page within the next 5 minutes. --Jgstokes (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Just finished analyzing the North America Southeast Area. Since most of the state of Kentucky falls in this area, I am including Kentucky's entire state statistics in the listing for this area. Likewise, since only small portions of Texas and Virginia are included in this area, I will list those statistics into the area/areas where most of Texas and Virginia fall. Should have statistics for this area on the page within the next 5 minutes. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Just finished analyzing the North America Southwest Area. Was able to get statistics for the whole states relatively easily, but couldn't figure out where the boundary lines are for the parts of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, and Utah that make up this area, and the Church doesn't list area statistics. Here's what I was able to find out:
 * North America Southwest Area:
 * Arizona: 410,263 members; 6 missions; 836 congregations; 4 temples.
 * Nevada: 180,600 members; 3 missions; 327 congregations; 2 temples.
 * New Mexico: 69,703 members; 2 missions; 142 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Oklahoma: 45,734 members; 2 missions; 86 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Texas: 325,946 members; 8 missions; 620 congregations; 4 temples.

Unless we find the area statistics somewhere, we're out of luck updating this area's statistics. If anyone knows where to find these missing statistics, please post here. Thanks! --Jgstokes (talk) 22:36, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * North America West statistics have been updated. No missing information there. Next project: Pacific Area. Hope we can find all the relevant information.--Jgstokes (talk) 23:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Just finished analyzing the Pacific Area. I was able to find statistical information for all but the last three islands on the list. If anyone has that information, please post here. In the meantime, here's what I came up with:
 * Pacific Area:
 * Australia: 140,797 members; 6 missions; 296 congregations; 5 temples.
 * Fiji: 17,730 members; 1 mission; 50 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Kiribati: 16,659 members; 26 congregations.
 * Marshall Islands: 6,187 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Nauru: 105 members; 1 congregation.
 * New Zealand: 108,912 members; 3 missions; 211 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Papua New Guinea: 21,983 members; 2 missions; 73 congregations.
 * Samoa: 75,119 members; 1 mission; 137 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Solomon Islands: 564 members; 4 congregations.
 * Tonga: 61,470 members; 1 mission; 166 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Tuvalu: 205 members; 1 congregation.
 * Vanuatu: 6,103 members; 1 mission; 31 congregations.
 * American Samoa: 15,727 members; 38 congregations.
 * Cook Islands: 1,844 members; 5 congregations.
 * French Polynesia: 23,594 members; 1 mission; 85 congregations; 1 temple.
 * New Caledonia: 2,230 members; 8 congregations.
 * Niue: 280 members; 2 congregations.
 * Pitcairn Islands: No information available.
 * Tokelau: No information available.
 * Wallis and Futuna: No information available.

Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Found and updated statistics for the Philippines, South America Northwest and South America South Areas. Went to update statistics for the three Utah Areas and couldn't find anything out about the individual areas. Just general statistics for Utah, which I post here:
 * Utah Statistics: 1,975,939 members; 9 missions; 4,916 congregations; 13 temples.
 * If we want individual area statistics, I don't know where to find them. Any thoughts? --Jgstokes (talk) 01:08, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

August 2014 Changes.
The following changes will have to be implemented into this article on August 1:
 * Under the heading "List":
 * Africa Southeast: Carl B. Cook (1st); Stanley G. Ellis (1st); Kevin S. Hamilton (2nd)
 * Asia: Gerrit W. Gong (1st); Randy D. Funk (2nd); Chi Hong (Sam) Wong (1st)
 * Caribbean: J. Devn Cornish (2nd); Claudio D. Zivic (1st); Hugo E. Martinez (2nd)
 * Central America: Kevin R. Duncan (1st); Adrian Ochoa (2nd); Jose L. Alonso (1st)
 * Europe East: Bruce D. Porter (1st); Randall K. Bennett (2nd); Jörg Klebingat (1st)
 * Mexico: Benjamin De Hoyos (1st); Paul B. Pieper (1st); Arnulfo Valenzuela (1st)
 * Middle East/Africa North: Bruce A. Carlson (2nd); Larry S. Kacher (2nd)
 * Pacific:Kevin W. Pearson (1st); O. Vincent Haleck (2nd); S. Gifford Nielsen (1st)
 * Philippines: Ian S. Ardern (1st); Shayne M. Bowen (1st); Larry J. Echo Hawk (1st)

Hope this information helps. --Jgstokes (talk) 01:39, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * One additional change needs to be made. Under the heading "List":
 * Brazil: Claudio R. M. Costa (1st); Jairo Mazzagardi (2nd); Marcos A. Aidukaitis (1st)
 * Hope this information is helpful to you. --Jgstokes (talk) 09:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Updated Area Statistics from LDS.org and cumorah.com
With the help of lds.org and cumorah.com, I have been able to find many of the previously "missing" statistics for each area. I am posting the new information so we have a record of it, but I will also be using it to update the article. Thank goodness! I was beginning to lose hope of ever finding the information! --Jgstokes (talk) 07:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Here's what I was able to find on the Asia Area:
 * Afghanistan: 700 members; 5 congregations.
 * Bangladesh: 100 members; 1 congregation.
 * Bhutan: No significant church presence.
 * Brunei: less than 100 members; 2 congregations.
 * Cambodia: 12,223 members; 1 mission; 28 congregations.
 * China: 24,528 members; 1 mission; 34 congregations; 1 temple.
 * East Timor: No significant church presence.
 * India: 11,690 members; 2 missions; 42 congregations.
 * Indonesia: 6,920 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations.
 * Kyrgyzstan: less than 100 members; no congregations.
 * Laos: 100 members; 1 congregation.
 * Malaysia: 9,259 members; 33 congregations.
 * Maldives: No significant church presence.
 * Mongolia: 10,763 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations.
 * Myanmar: Official membership unknown.
 * Nepal: 133 members; 1 congregation
 * Pakistan: 2,000 members; 10 congregations.
 * Singapore: 3,608 members; 1 mission; 11 congregations.
 * Sri Lanka: 1,277 members; 3 congregations.
 * Tajikistan: No significant church presence.
 * Taiwan: 56,821 members; 2 missions; 101 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Thailand: 18,071 members; 1 mission; 38 congregations.

So here's my question: For countries where we have "Less than 100 members," how do we figure that into the total membership? For those with "no significant church presence," there are less than 50 members. Should those be included in the count? And what about Myanmar, a country for which I could find no information available? Any feedback anyone has would be helpful. If all else fails, I'll just do the best I can with the numbers I have tomorrow and hope for the best. --Jgstokes (talk) 08:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Caribbean Area
 * Antigua and Barbuda: 209 members; 1 congregation.
 * Bahamas: 962 members; 3 congregations.
 * Barbados: 869 members; 3 congregations.
 * Dominica: 173 members; 1 congregation.
 * Dominican Republic: 126,413 members; 3 missions; 205 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Grenada: 336 members; 1 congregation.
 * Guyana: 5,474 members; 13 congregations.
 * Haiti: 19,216 members; 1 mission; 43 congregations.
 * Jamaica: 5,712 members; 1 mission; 19 congregations.
 * Saint Kitts and Nevis: 194 members; 1 congregation.
 * Saint Lucia: 263 members; 2 congregations.
 * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 578 members; 2 congregations.
 * Suriname: 1,390 members; 6 congregations.
 * Trinidad and Tobago: 3,179 members; 1 mission; 10 congregations.
 * Anguilla: No official church presence.
 * Aruba: 507 members; 2 congregations.
 * Cayman Islands: 204 members; 1 congregation.
 * French Guiana: 357 members; 1 congregation.
 * Guadaloupe: 423 members; 3 congregations.
 * Martinique: 197 members; 1 congregation.
 * Montserrat: No official church presence.
 * Netherlands Antilles: approximately 900 members; 3 congregations.
 * Puerto Rico: 21,363 members; 1 mission; 41 congregations.
 * Saint Barthelemy: No official church presence.
 * Saint Martin: 232 members; 1 congregation.
 * Turks and Caicos Islands: No official church presence.
 * Virgin Islands (UK): No official church presence.
 * Virgin Islands (US): 585 members; 2 congregations.
 * Will have the Caribbean Area statistics updated ASAP. --Jgstokes (talk) 20:17, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Having updated the Caribbean Area, I turned my attention to the Europe Area. Here's what I was able to find out:
 * Europe Area
 * Albania: 2,477 members; 1 mission; 11 congregations.
 * Andorra: 64 members; 1 congregation.
 * Austria: 4,469 members; 17 congregations.
 * Belgium: 6,415 members; 17 congregations.
 * Croatia: 588 members; 1 mission; 6 congregations.
 * Czech Republic: 2,396 members; 1 mission; 13 congregations.
 * Denmark: 4,355 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Finland: 4,866 members; 1 mission; 30 congregations; 1 temple.
 * France: 37,364 members; 2 missions; 107 congregations.
 * Germany: 38,992 members; 3 missions; 171 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Greece: 748 members; 1 mission; 4 congregations.
 * Hungary: 5,050 members; 1 mission; 22 congregations.
 * Iceland: 268 members; 2 congregations.
 * Ireland: 3,071 members; 13 congregations.
 * Italy: 25,453 members; 2 missions; 103 congregations.
 * Liechtenstein: less than 100 members; 0 congregations.
 * Luxembourg: 358 members; 1 congregations.
 * Republic of Macedonia: less than 50 members; 1 congregation.
 * Malta: 168 members, 1 congregation.
 * Moldova: 355 members; 3 congregations.
 * Monaco: No official church presence.
 * Netherlands: 9,284 members; 1 mission; 33 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Norway: 4,618 members; 1 mission; 22 congregations.
 * Poland: 1,813 members; 1 mission; 14 congregations.
 * Portugal: 41,917 members; 1 mission; 72 congregations.
 * Romania: 2,990 members; 1 mission; 16 congregations.
 * San Marino: No official church presence.
 * Slovakia: 239 members; 4 congregations.
 * Slovenia: 425 members; 4 congregations.
 * Spain: 51,192 members; 3 missions; 140 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Sweden: 9,463 members; 1 mission; 40 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Switzerland: 8,741 members; 36 congregations; 1 temple.
 * United Kingdom: 186,768 members; 6 missions; 334 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Azores: No official church presence.
 * Canary Islands: Part of Spain (see statistics above).
 * Gibraltar: 16 members.
 * Greenland: 15 members.

Will have these statistics added up and incorporated onto the page in a jiffy. --Jgstokes (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC) Have analyzed the Europe East Area and found missing information. Here's what I've been able to find out:
 * Europe East Area
 * Armenia: 3,159 members; 1 mission; 10 congregations.
 * Azerbajan: No official church presence.
 * Belarus: 500 members; 4 congregations.
 * Bulgaria: 2,402 members; 1 mission; 9 congregations.
 * Cyprus: 428 members; 4 congregations.
 * Estonia: 1,099 members; 4 congregations.
 * Georgia: 250 members; 1 congregation.
 * Kazakhstan: 141 members; 2 congregations.
 * Latvia: 1,197 members; 1 mission; 6 congregations.
 * Lithuania: 934 members; 5 congregations.
 * Montenegro: less than 20 members; 1 congregation.
 * Russia: 22,039 members; 7 missions; 98 congregations.
 * Serbia: 334 members; 3 congregations.
 * Turkey: 221 members; 4 congregations.
 * Turkmenistan: less than 50 members; 1 congregation.
 * Ukraine: 11,439 members; 4 missions; 56 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Uzbekistan: less than 100; 1 congregation.

I will post it directly after calculating the necessary figures. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Middle East/Africa North Area analyzed and figures found. I even found numbers for West Bank and the Gaza Strip. I was thrown off when I couldn't find them, so I googled them and found out that the two combined regions make up Palestine. So this is what I found out:
 * Middle East/Africa North Area
 * Algeria: less than 100 members; 0 congregations
 * Bahrain: 281 members; 1 or 2 congregations.
 * Cape Verde: 7,149 members; 18 congregations.
 * Egypt: less than 100 members; 1 congregation.
 * Iran: less than 50 members; 0 congregations.
 * Iraq: 1,300 members; 36+ congregations.
 * Israel: 234 members; 4 congregations.
 * Jordan: less than 200 members; 3 congregations.
 * Kuwait: 70 members; 1 congregation.
 * Lebanon: less than 200 members; 1 congregation.
 * Libya: less than 20 members; 0 congregations.
 * Morocco: less than 100 members; 2 congregations.
 * Oman: around 100 members; 1 congregation.
 * Qatar: 300 members; 2 congregations.
 * Saudi Arabia: 800+ members; ~6 congregations
 * Syria: less than 30 members; 1 congregation
 * Tunisia: less than 50 members; 1 congregation
 * United Arab Emirates: 800+ members; 5 congregations
 * Yemen: less than 50 members; 1 congregation.
 * West Bank and Gaza Strip (Palestine): less than 20 members; 0 congregations.
 * Will have these statistics implemented onto the page as soon as I do the necessary math. YAY! Since the North America Areas are tricky (in light of the confusing boundary lines), my next project will likely be the Pacific Area. --Jgstokes (talk) 01:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Changed my mind and decided to see what I could do about the North America Areas. In working on the North America Central Area, I was able to find the following information:
 * North America Central Area:
 * Alberta: 79,023 members; 2 missions; 212 congregations; 3 temples.
 * Colorado: 149,876 members; 4 missions; 306 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Illinois: 56,932 members; 3 missions; 127 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Iowa: 26,547 members; 1 mission; 69 congregations.
 * Kansas: 35,902 members; 1 mission; 75 congregations.
 * Manitoba: 4,452 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Minnesota: 31,871 members; 1 mission; 75 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Missouri: 68,962 members; 2 missions; 151 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Montana: 48,344 members; 1 mission; 124 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nebraska: 24,140 members; 1 mission; 60 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Northwest Territories: 141 members; 1 congregation.
 * North Dakota: 9,994 members; 21 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nunavut: No church presence.
 * Saskatchewan: 5,406 members; 15 congregations; 1 temple.
 * South Dakota: 10,644 members; 1 mission; 33 congregations.
 * Wisconsin: 25,693 members; 1 mission; 68 congregations.
 * Wyoming: 66,259 members; 155 congregations.
 * British Columbia: Unclear how small “small eastern section” is.
 * Ontario: Taking up most of the western part of Ontario, unclear how much that is.
 * Michigan: Wasn’t able to find out how much area the “Upper Peninsula” took up and therefore couldn’t find statistics.

If anyone knows where to find this missing information, please post here. I think I might call it quits for the day. I've got other things that need my attention. But I will come back to this tomorrow and will keep coming back to it until it's finished. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:12, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm back! Just worked on the North America Northeast Area. Here's what I was able to find.
 * North America Northeast Area
 * Connecticut: 15,352 members; 34 congregations.
 * Delaware: 5,192 members; 12 congregations.
 * Maine: 10,845 members; 27 congregations.
 * Massachusetts: 26,423 members; 1 mission; 52 congregations; 1 temple.
 * New Brunswick: 2,302 members; 6 congregations.
 * Newfoundland: 748 members; 3 congregations.
 * New Hampshire: 8,298 members; 1 mission; 19 congregations.
 * New Jersey: 33,066 members; 1 mission; 61 congregations.
 * New York: 80,535 members; 4 missions; 149 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Nova Scotia: 4,912 members; 1 mission; 14 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Ontario: 51,902 members; 1 mission; 98 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Pennsylvania: 51,527 members; 2 missions; 106 congregations.
 * Prince Edward Island: 490 members; 3 congregations.
 * Quebec: 11,306 members; 1 mission; 35 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Rhode Island: 4,133 members; 8 congregations.
 * Vermont: 4,600 members; 12 congregations.
 * Virginia (since most of the state is in this area, including complete statistics here): 93,395 members; 3 missions; 197 congregations.
 * Washington D. C.: 2,488 members; 2 missions; 3 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Bermuda: No official church presence.
 * Saint Pierre and Miquelon: No official church presence.
 * Will have this area updated as soon as I can add the figures together. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:01, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The North America Northeast Area figures seemed abnormally low, so I double checked what we had listed in the area against what the Church Almanac had the area covering. I found we were missing 5 states that should have been in on the count. No wonder my figures were off! The 5 (and their statistics) are:
 * Indiana: 42,856 members; 1 mission; 99 congregations.
 * Maryland: 43,459 members; 2 missions; 81 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Michigan: 43,579 members; 2 missions; 95 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Ohio: 60,364 members; 3 missions; 125 congregations; 1 temple.
 * West Virginia: 17,227 members; 1 mission; 37 congregations.

Adding these to the figures I already obtained should give us a more accurate number. Glad I found that error! --Jgstokes (talk) 07:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Had to backtrack a little when I realized I may have overlooked reanalyzing the North America Central Area. Here's what I was able to find out: British Columbia has only 1 stake in the North America Central Area (hardly significant enough to classify it as being small eastern sections), so I will list BC where most of it falls, with the North America Northwest Area. Again, I failed to find the statistical numbers for the "Upper Peninsula" of Michigan. So that's all guess work. According to the 2013 Church Almanac, no stakes in Ontario belong to the North America Central Area, but they do belong to the North America Northeast Area, as cited above. So what remains are the statistics I was able to find, which I include below. Hopefully that gives us a total close to correct. Here goes!
 * North America Central Area:
 * Alberta: 79,023 members; 2 missions; 212 congregations; 3 temples.
 * Colorado: 149,876 members; 4 missions; 306 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Illinois: 56,932 members; 3 missions; 127 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Iowa: 26,547 members; 1 mission; 69 congregations.
 * Kansas: 35,902 members; 1 mission; 75 congregations.
 * Manitoba: 4,452 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Minnesota: 31,871 members; 1 mission; 75 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Missouri: 68,962 members; 2 missions; 151 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Montana: 48,344 members; 1 mission; 124 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nebraska: 24,140 members; 1 mission; 60 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Northwest Territories: 141 members; 1 congregation.
 * North Dakota: 9,994 members; 21 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nunavut: No official church presence.
 * Saskatchewan: 5,406 members; 15 congregations; 1 temple.
 * South Dakota: 10,644 members; 1 mission; 33 congregations.
 * Wisconsin: 25,693 members; 1 mission; 68 congregations.
 * Wyoming: 66,259 members; 155 congregations.
 * Should have the figures added and the totals up ASAP. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Finished the figures for the North America Central Area. Now moving on to the North America Northwest Area. Only thing to note here is that the part of California that is part of this area is so insignificant that I'm not counting it. That being said, here's what I was able to find out:
 * North America Northwest Area
 * Alaska: 33,204 members; 1 mission; 84 congregations; 1 temple.
 * British Columbia: 29,296 members; 1 mission; 79 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Oregon: 152,011 members; 3 missions; 306 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Washington: 279,492 members; 7 missions; 543 congregations; 3 temples.
 * Yukon: 287 members; 1 congregation.

This is one of the smaller North America Areas. I will have the figures added up and input in the article within the next few minutes. --Jgstokes (talk) 00:48, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Ran the numbers for the North America Northwest Area. Then moved on to analyze and collect data for the North America Southeast Area. A few notes in advance of the data report: I determined that since the boundaries of the North America Southeast Area covered most of Kentucky I would just use the statistics of the whole state, especially as the Almanac makes no differentiation between how much of the state belonged to the Southeast and how much belonged to the Northeast (which was, by comparison, a small amount not worth noting). Likewise, since a majority of Virginia is in the North America Northeast Area, I counted none of it as belonging to the Southeast Area, even though reportedly a "small portion" does. And Texas, too, only has a small corner in this area, so I will be counting it with the North America Southwest Area. That is why you will see only the 10 full states listed here. That said, here's the datea I gathered:
 * North America Southeast Area:
 * Alabama: 36,255 members; 1 mission; 78 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Arkansas: 29,345 members; 1 mission; 66 congregations.
 * Florida: 146,509 members; 5 missions; 238 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Georgia: 81,563 members; 3 missions; 150 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Kentucky: 33,757 members; 1 mission; 77 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Louisiana: 29,682 members; 1 mission; 53 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Mississippi: 21,699 members; 1 mission; 44 congregations.
 * North Carolina: 81,189 members; 2 missions; 154 congregations; 1 temple.
 * South Carolina: 39,473 members; 1 mission; 68 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Tennessee: 48,612 members; 2 missions; 102 congregations; 2 temples.

I will have this data compiled and incorporated into the page within the next few minutes. Then it's on to the North America Southwest Area! --Jgstokes (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC) Just finished analyzing the North America Southwest Area. The Almanac doesn't make it clear which portions of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, and Utah are in this area, so statistics for those portions would be purely guesswork. I do know from looking at the Almanac that there is one temple in one of the partial states: Monticello Utah. So I will add that into my figures. But I will put down what I came up with and hope that the partial states' figures don't make that much of a difference. Here's what I was able to find out:
 * North America Southwest Area:
 * Arizona: 410,263 members; 6 missions; 836 congregations; 4 temples.
 * Nevada: 180,600 members; 3 missions; 327 congregations; 2 temples.
 * New Mexico: 69,703 members; 2 missions; 142 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Oklahoma: 45,734 members; 2 missions; 86 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Texas: 325,946 members; 8 missions; 620 congregations; 4 temples.

I hope this doesn't mess up the stats too badly. Next up: North America West Area! --Jgstokes (talk) 04:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In the North America West Area, there are only three states: California, Hawaii, and Arizona. Only a very small portion of Arizona is in that area. I looked it up in the Almanac. It's one stake only. Additionally, I already listed Arizona's statistics with the North America Southwest Area, so that one stake is hardly worth mentioning. Accordingly, I compiled the data from California and Hawaii and this is what I found:
 * North America West Area
 * California: 780,200 members; 19 missions; 1,355 congregations; 7 temples.
 * Hawaii: 73,471 members; 1 mission; 138 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Should be a simple matter to add those two together to get the total area figures. I will do so immediately and get them on the page within the next few minutes. Next up: Pacific Area (for which I hope I can find an Area page)! --Jgstokes (talk) 05:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, as luck would have it, the Pacific Area statistics webpage is about three years out of date. So I had to do things the old-fashioned way and get each individual number. Here's what I was able to find out:
 * Pacific Area:
 * Australia: 140,797 members; 6 missions; 296 congregations; 5 temples.
 * Fiji: 17,730 members; 1 mission; 50 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Kiribati: 16,659 members; 26 congregations.
 * Marshall Islands: 6,187 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Nauru: 105 members; 1 congregation.
 * New Zealand: 108,912 members; 3 missions; 211 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Papua New Guinea: 21,983 members; 2 missions; 73 congregations.
 * Samoa: 75,119 members; 1 mission; 137 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Solomon Islands: 564 members; 4 congregations.
 * Tonga: 61,470 members; 1 mission; 166 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Tuvalu: 205 members; 1 congregation.
 * Vanuatu: 6,103 members; 1 mission; 31 congregations.
 * American Samoa: 15,727 members; 38 congregations.
 * Cook Islands: 1,844 members; 5 congregations.
 * French Polynesia: 23,594 members; 1 mission; 85 congregations; 1 temple.
 * New Caledonia: 2,230 members; 8 congregations.
 * Niue: 280 members; 2 congregations.
 * Pitcairn Islands: No significant LDS presence.
 * Tokelau: No significant LDS presence.
 * Wallis and Futuna: No significant LDS presence.

Oddly enough, the Newsroom page does give an option, when you click on a territory/region/state within a given nation/country to see that country's statistics. What they show for the Pacific isn't what I'm getting as I do my calculations. But I'm more inclined to trust my numbers because they provide an increase at a more reasonable interval. I will have those numbers posted in a few minutes. Then it's on to the Philippines Area, whether they have an area page or not. --Jgstokes (talk) 07:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I just got two areas nearly done in one fell swoop. The Philippines Area was easy to do, as it only had two components, and adding them was a cinch. Then I moved on to collect data about the South America Northwest Area. Only 5 components there. All I have left to do is add them. For now, to keep track of what I'm doing, I will post what I've done. Here are the numbers for the Philippines Area:
 * Philippines: 688,117 members; 21 missions; 1,148 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Northern Mariana Islands: 735 members; 1 congregation.
 * And here are the numbers for the South America Northwest Area:
 * Bolivia: 188,261 members; 4 missions; 257 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Colombia: 185,891 members; 5 missions; 266 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Ecuador: 220,247 members; 5 missions; 306 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Peru: 543,869 members; 12 missions; 776 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Venezuela: 161,309 members; 4 missions; 269 congregations; 1 temple.
 * I fully expect to have the numbers added up and the area updated in a few minutes. Then it's on to the South America South Area, which should also be relatively easy. The one thing I don't know is how to handle acquiring the updated statistics for the Utah areas. All we have are general Utah numbers, not area specific. I guess if all else fails, I'll post those. Phew! Almost done! --Jgstokes (talk) 07:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Here are the South America South Area statistics as promised. I will add them up and incorporate them onto the page ASAP. I still don't know what to do about the Utah areas. I guess we'll just leave them as they are unless we unearth the information somewhere at some point. I'll take another look at LDS.org and see what I can find, but we may only find general Utah statistics. Anyways, here are the South America South numbers, as promised:
 * Argentina: 421,971 members; 12 missions; 792 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Chile: 583,359 members; 10 missions; 614 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Paraguay: 86,790 members; 2 missions; 139 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Uruguay: 101,449 members; 2 missions; 152 congregations; 1 temple.

I will add the numbers up and get the data entered ASAP. Then I'll see what I can find out about the the Utah areas. Wish me luck! --Jgstokes (talk) 08:19, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Turns out the only statistical information the Church has about Utah is by state. Unfortunate for us, but there it is, such as it is. Well, there you have it. Took several months, but this page is now current as of at least mid-2013. Post here with comments or questions. Thanks.--Jgstokes (talk) 08:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Area Statistics as of January 1, 2015.
I am undertaking an ambitious project: the updating of the area statistics now that the statistics for countries, nations, states, territories, and islands have been updated as of January 1, 2015. I have already taken the liberty of updating the Africa Southeast Area based on information available at lds.org and cumorah.com. In so doing, I noticed some errors in what we had listed. A few regions were italicized (indicating little or no LDS presence) when they shouldn't have been, and a few areas that should have been italicized were not. Here, for your benefit, are the totals I gathered for the Africa Southeast Area.
 * Africa Southeast Area Statistics
 * Angola: 1,684 members; 1 mission; 8 congregations.
 * Botswana: 3,104 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Burundi: 526 members; 3 congregations.
 * Comoros: Less than 20 members.
 * Democratic Republic of the Congo: 42,689 members; 2 missions; 145 congregations.
 * Republic of Congo: 6,053 members; 1 mission; 17 congregations.
 * Djibouti: Less than 100 members.
 * Eritrea: Less than 10 members.
 * Ethiopia: 1,854 members; 6 congregations.
 * Gabon: Less than 50 members; 1 congregation.
 * Kenya: 12,471 members; 1 mission; 46 congregations.
 * Lesotho: 867 members; 2 congregations.
 * Madagascar: 10,322 members; 1 mission; 38 congregations.
 * Mauritius: 458 members; 2 congregations.
 * Mozambique: 7,943 members; 1 mission; 26 congregations.
 * Namibia: 793 members; 1 congregation.
 * Rwanda: 281 members; 3 congregations.
 * Seychelles: Less than 10 members.
 * Somalia: No noticeable LDS presence.
 * South Africa: 61,221 members; 3 missions; 159 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Swaziland: 1,768 members; 4 congregations.
 * Tanzania: 1,336 members; 6 congregations.
 * Uganda: 13,248 members; 1 mission; 26 congregations.
 * Zambia: 3,359 members; 1 mission; 12 congregations.
 * Zimbabwe: 26,156 members; 1 mission; 64 congregations.
 * Ascension: No LDS presence.
 * Reunion: 903 members; 4 congregations.
 * Saint Helena: No LDS presence.
 * Tristan de Cunha: No LDS presence.

APPROXIMATE AREA TOTALS: 197,226 members; 14 missions; 585 congregations; 1 temple.

It was rather aggravating. I had hoped to track down statistics for individual areas so those could be entered rather than having to do each region, state, nation or island belonging to an area, but in all the country or area pages I looked at, it said to see the Newsroom for the latest statistics. So it appears each area will have to be done by acquiring Over the next week, I hope to have all statistics on this page current. Please post here with any comments. And I would also request that these statistics not be altered without discussion. I know that's not Wikipedia policy, but I feel if I have made an effort to update and correct information in a section of an article, as long as that information is not in error, we should keep it, as this reflects the latest official information. Unless, of course, we can find area statistics anywhere.That said, I would welcome any input that anyone might have. It always helps to hear others' perspective. I look forward to the discussion. Next up: Africa West Area. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:27, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I forgot to post about this, but I tracked down the Africa West Area Statistics, and they have already been implemented into the article. Here they are:
 * Africa West Area
 * Benin: 1,898 members; 1 mission; 14 congregations
 * Burkina Faso: 6 members.
 * Cameroon: 1,498 members; 7 congregations.
 * Chad: 5 members.
 * Côte d'Ivoire: 27,052 members; 2 missions; 94 congregations;
 * Equatorial Guinea: 2 members.
 * Gambia: 19 members.
 * Ghana: 62,031 members; 4 missions; 207 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Guinea: 14 members.
 * Guinea-Bissau: 45 members.
 * Liberia: 8,929 members; 24 congregations.
 * Mali: 10 members.
 * Mauritania: 2 members.
 * Mauritius: 458 members; 2 congregations.
 * Niger: 5 members.
 * Nigeria: 129,989 members; 5 missions; 416 congregations; 1 temple.
 * São Tomé and Principe: Less than 20 members.
 * Senegal: 13 members.
 * Sierra Leone: 14,776 members; 1 mission; 39 congregations.
 * Togo: 2801 members; 14 congregations.
 * Western Sahara: Less than 5 members.
 * APPROXIMATE AREA TOTALS: 249,848 members; 13 missions; 817 congregations; 2 temples (Aba Nigeria and Accra Ghana).

I forgot to post this, but I have collected the statistics for the Asia, Asia North and Brazil Areas. Here they are, in that order.
 * Asia Area
 * Afghanistan: 700 members; 4 congregations.
 * Bangladesh: 100 members; 1 congregation.
 * Bhutan: Less than 20 members.
 * Brunei: Less than 100 members; 1 congregation.
 * Cambodia: 12,882 members; 1 mission; 30 congregations.
 * China: 24,746 members; 1 mission; 37 congregations; 1 temple.
 * East Timor: Less than 20 members.
 * India: 12,257 members; 2 missions; 43 congregations.
 * Indonesia: 7,016 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations.
 * Kyrgyzstan: Less than 100 members.
 * Laos: 230 members; 1 congregation.
 * Malaysia: 9,476 members; 34 congregations.
 * Maldives: Less than 10 members.
 * Mongolia: 11,028 members; 1 mission; 23 congregations.
 * Myanmar: No official Church presence.
 * Nepal: 170 members; 1 congregation.
 * Pakistan: 2,000 members; 10 congregations.
 * Singapore: 3,590 members; 1 mission; 11 congregations.
 * Sri Lanka: 1,352 members; 3 congregations.
 * Tajikistan: Less than 50 members.
 * Taiwan: 57,889 members; 2 missions; 105 congregations. 1 temple.
 * Thailand: 19,665 members; 1 mission; 38 congregations.
 * Vietnam: 1,400 members; 3 congregations.
 * APPROXIMATE AREA TOTALS: 164,741 members; 10 missions; 368 congregations; 2 temples (Hong Kong China; Taipei Taiwan); 1 announced (Bangkok Thailand).


 * Asia North Area
 * Guam: 2,265 members; 1 mission; 4 congregations.
 * Japan: 127,635 members; 7 missions; 267 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Micronesia: 5,643 member; 21 congregations.
 * North Korea: No noticeable LDS presence.
 * Northern Mariana Islands: 789 members; 1 congregation.
 * Palau: 457 members; 1 congregation.
 * South Korea: 86,719 members; 4 missions; 126 congregations; 1 temple.
 * APPROXIMATE AREA TOTALS: 223,508 members; 12 missions; 420 congregations; 3 temples (Fukuoka Japan; Seoul Korea; Tokyo Japan); 1 under construction (Sapporo Japan).


 * Brazil Area
 * Brazil: 1,289,376 members; 34 missions; 1,996 congregations; 6 temples.
 * AREA TOTALS: 1,289,376 members; 34 missions; 1.996 congregations; 6 temples (Campinas Brazil; Curitiba Brazil; Manaus Brazil; Porto Alegre Brazil; Recife Brazil, Sao Paulo Brazil); 1 under construction (Fortaleza Brazil).

Well, what do you think? --Jgstokes (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Had some time tonight and decided to get back to compiling area statistics. I didn't get very far because I'm not feeling well and my enthusiasm for the project is dampened a bit, but I did manage to get all the statistics for the Caribbean and Central America Areas. Here's what I was able to find out and the numbers I have already updated in the article:


 * Caribbean Area
 * Anguilla (UK): No noticeable LDS presence.
 * Antigua and Barbuda: 196 members; 1 congregation.
 * Aruba (NED): 511 members; 2 congregations.
 * Bahamas: 998 members; 3 congregations
 * Barbados: 908 members; 3 congregations.
 * Cayman Islands (UK): 201 members; 1 congregation.
 * Dominica: 182 members; 1 congregation.
 * Dominican Republic: 127,530 members; 3 missions; 205 congregations; 1 temple.
 * French Guiana (FRA): 316 members; 2 congregations.
 * Grenada: 376 members; 1 congregation.
 * Guadaloupe (FRA): 492 members; 3 congregations.
 * Guyana: 5,575 members; 13 congregations.
 * Haiti: 20,414 members; 1 mission; 44 congregations.
 * Jamaica: 5,891 members; 1 mission; 19 congregations.
 * Martinique (FRA): 215 members; 1 congregation.
 * Montserrat (FRA): No noticeable LDS Church presence.
 * Netherlands Antilles (NED): 552 members; 1 congregation.
 * Puerto Rico (US): 23,064 members; 1 mission; 42 congregations.
 * Saint Barthelemy (FRA): No noticeable LDS presence.
 * Saint Kitts and Nevis: 197 members; 1 congregation.
 * Saint Lucia: 303 members; 2 congregations.
 * Saint Martin (FRA): 260 members; 1 congregation.
 * Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 600 members; 2 congregations.
 * Suriname: 1,430 members; 6 congregations.
 * Turks and Caicos Islands (UK): 92 members; 1 congregation.
 * Trinidad and Tobago: 3,328 members; 1 mission; 10 congregations.
 * Virgin Islands (UK): No noticeable LDS presence.
 * Virgin Islands (US): 590 members; 2 congregations.
 * APPROXIMATE AREA TOTALS: 194,221 members; 7 missions; 367 congregations; 1 temple (Santo Domingo Dominican Republic).


 * Central America Area:
 * Belize: 4,807 members; 11 congregations.
 * Costa Rica: 44,627 members; 1 mission; 74 congregations; 1 temple.
 * El Salvador: 120,317 members; 3 missions; 164 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Guatemala: 255,505 members; 6 missions; 421 congregations; 2 temples.
 * Honduras: 165,553 members; 4 missions; 229 congregations; 1 temple.
 * Nicaragua: 87,880 members; 2 missions; 101 congregations.
 * Panama: 51,102 members; 1 mission; 71 congregations; 1 temple.
 * APPROXIMATE AREA TOTALS: 729,791 members; 17 missions; 1,071 congregations; 6 temples. (Guatemala City Guatemala; Panama City Panama; Quetzaltenango Guatemala; San Jose Costa Rica; San Salvador El Salvador; Tegucigalpa Honduras)

I will try to work on this more in the coming days, once I start feeling better. Any questions/comments? --Jgstokes (talk) 08:11, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Area Leadership Assignments 2015
Once August 1 arrives, this page will have to be updated with the following information about areas:


 * Africa West: LeGrand R. Curtis Jr. (1st); Terence M. Vinson (1st); David F. Evans (1st).
 * Asia North: Scott D. Whiting (1st); Kazuhiko Yamashita (1st); Yoon Hwan Choi (1st).
 * Europe: Patrick Kearon (1st); Paul V. Johnson (1st); Timothy J. Dyches (2nd).
 * Europe East: Bruce D. Porter (1st); Jörg Klebingat (1st); Larry S. Kacher (2nd).
 * Middle East/Africa North: Larry R. Lawrence (2nd); Wilford W. Andersen (2nd).
 * Philippines: Ian S. Ardern (1st); Shayne M. Bowen (1st); Allen D. Haynie (1st).
 * South America Northwest: Juan A Uceda (1st); W. Christopher Waddell (1st); Carlos A. Godoy (1st).
 * South America South: Walter F. González (1st); Francisco J. Viñas (1st); José A. Teixeira (1st).

Any questions? --Jgstokes (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * These changes have been implemented onto this page. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:40, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Changes in Area Leadership
Hello. Just wanted to let you all know a couple of things. First of all, as those who follow the discussion on general authorities are aware, the Church has discontinued their differentiation of those in the First and Second Quorums of the Seventy. That is one change I will be implementing on this page right after finishing this comment. Also, the Church has announced the changes in area leadership that will be effective on August 1, 2016. When they are effective, they will need to be added to this page as follows:
 * Africa Southeast: Kevin S. Hamilton; Stanley G. Ellis; S. Mark Palmer.
 * Africa West: Terence M. Vinson; Marcus B. Nash; Vern P. Stanfill.
 * Asia: Randy D. Funk; Chi Hong (Sam) Wong; David F. Evans.
 * Brazil: Claudio R. M. Costa; Marcos A. Aidukaitis; W. Mark Bassett.
 * Caribbean: Walter F. Gonzalez; Claudio D. Zivic; Hugo E. Martinez.
 * Europe: Patrick Kearon; Paul V. Johnson; Gary B. Sabin.
 * Europe East: Bruce D. Porter; James B. Martino; Larry S. Kacher.
 * Mexico: Paul B. Pieper; Arnulfo Valenzuela; Rafael E. Pino.
 * Pacific: O. Vincent Haleck; S. Gifford Nielsen; Craig A. Cardon.
 * Philippines: Shayne M. Bowen; Allen D. Haynie; Evan A. Schmutz.
 * South America Northwest: Carlos A. Godoy; Lawrence E. Corbridge; Hugo Montoya.
 * South America South: Jose A. Teixeira; Allan F. Packer; Mark A. Bragg.

Any questions? --Jgstokes (talk) 14:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

2016 Area Statistics
I took the liberty of contacting the Church to ask for updated area statistics, explaining the difficulty I was having finding them. They directed me to someone who works for the Church and would have access to that information. If not before, I expect to have some sort of answer by Monday. Will keep you posted. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 04:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2018 Changes Implemented
Hello again, everyone! I have now implemented the changes that became effective as of around 45 minutes ago Utah time (since it is now officially August 1). It sounds as if there may have been some confusion as to whether there are 6 North American area presidencies or 10. Everything I have read, including the source I cited in this article a few moments ago, seems to indicate that 2 of the 6 area presidencies are overseeing 2 areas each and that those assigned to preside over Utah are overseeing the 3 areas there. If we find a source that indicates this is not the case, I would be happy to be corrected. In the meantime, I will also shortly be updating other pages that need to be changed now that August 1 has rolled around. Thanks again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:43, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate Cduerig editing this page in an effort to promote accuracy, there has been nothing I have found, aside from the original release that indicates that the 10 North American Areas have been merged into 6 areas. In fact, this page clearly shows that there are 10 North American Areas still, with the first of those area presidencies assigned to oversee both the Idaho and North America Central Areas, the fifth presidency assigned to oversee both the North America Northwest and North America West Areas, and the final North American area presidency assigned to oversee the Utah North, Utah Salt Lake City, and Utah South Areas. Unless a reliable source can be cited that conclusively states these areas have indeed been merged from 10 to 6, we have to go by the more recent source that is actually specific on this point. While I welcome anyone posting a source that proves there are now six North American areas, or any further discussion on this point, unless and until such a source is cited, the areas need to remain separate for now. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 04:40, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

References to the name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
The article title should be "Area (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)", as the Church of Jesus Christ has asked to avoid using the abbreviation "LDS" as a substitute for the name of the Church, as in "LDS Church". CantNoDo (talk) 23:58, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There has previously been a talk discussion started that could also be accessed/used: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints ChristensenMJ (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Recently-added changes
Hello again, everyone! According to this page, Utah, once 3 separate areas, has been merged into a singular Utah Area. This goes back to the question of what the 2018 Area Leadership changes did to the overall number of areas. Further, in [the 2019 announcement about new mission presidents, those serving in missions in the Idaho, North America Central, North America Northwest, and North America West Areas were listed under those four separate areas, while all called to serve in missions based in Utah were listed under the Utah Area. In light of the information in these two sources, I have taken time to merge the data of the three into one on this page. Please post here with any questions/comments/suggestions you might have. Thanks. --[[User:Jgstokes|Jgstokes]] (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Mongolia has been transferred from the Asia to the Asia North Area/Subpage
Hello again, everyone! After a few months' hiatus from Wikipedia while dealing with some health issues, I am back. Between the time I was last on Wikipedia and now, the Church has announced that, effective August 1, 2019, Mongolia will be transferred from the Asia to the Asia North Area. I have gone ahead and made this change on the subpage I have created to hold other changes which will be effective in a couple of days here. To that same page, I will also be adding a note about the announced division of the Africa Southeast Area which is set to go into effect next August. In the meantime, my thanks again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Subpage created for changes effective August 1, 2019
Hello again, everyone! Given the significant nature of the 2019 Area Leadership assignment changes, I thought it would be helpful to create a subpage copy of-this page on my user page to enable the necessary changes to be made now, then merged with this page once those assignments go into effect on August 1 of this year. So this new section on this talk page can be used to discuss the ongoing changes to the subpage as those are made. I am also working on the subpage I created on my user page for this page, so any feedback is welcome and appreciated on either subpage as I and others of you work on those. I will be including a list of the changes impacting this page as soon as I can get that together. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 06:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I just finished putting together the complete list of changes that will be implemented on the subpage. Here they are:
 * Idaho and North America Central Areas merged into the North America Central Area.
 * North America Northwest and North America West Areas merged into the North America West Area.
 * Africa Southeast (no change):
 * S. Mark Palmer, Joseph W. Sitati, Joni L. Koch
 * Africa West (no change):
 * Marcus B. Nash, Edward Dube, Hugo E. Martinez\
 * Asia (no change):
 * David F. Evans, Peter F. Meurs, David P. Homer
 * Asia North:
 * Current: Yoon Hwan Choi, Kazuhiko Yamashita, Takashi Wada
 * New: Yoon Hwan Choi, Takashi Wada, L. Todd Budge
 * Brazil:
 * Current: Marcos A. Aidukaitis, W. Mark Bassett, Adilson de Paula Parrella
 * New: Marcos A. Aidukaitis, Adilson de Paula Parrella, Joaquin E. Costa
 * Caribbean:
 * Current: Walter F. Gonzalez, Jose L. Alonso, Eduardo Gavarret
 * New: Jose L. Alonso, Eduardo Gavarret, Jorge M. Alvarado
 * Central America:
 * Current: Juan A. Uceda, Jorge F. Zeballos, Valeri V. Cordon
 * New: Juan A. Uceda, Brian K. Taylor, Alan R. Walker
 * Europe:
 * Current: Paul V. Johnson, Gary B. Sabin, Massimo De Feo
 * New: Gary B. Sabin, Massimo De Feo, Erich W. Kopischke
 * Europe East:
 * Current: James B. Martino, Christoffel Golden, Alexey V. Samaykin
 * New: Christoffel Golden, Hans T. Boom, Alexey V. Samaykin
 * Mexico (no change):
 * Arnulfo Valenzuela, Rafael E. Pino, John C. Pingree Jr.
 * Middle East/Africa North:
 * Current: Anthony D. Perkins, Wilford W. Andersen
 * New: Anthony D. Perkins, Larry S. Kacher, Jeffrey H. Singer
 * North America Central:
 * Current: Wilford W. Andersen, S. Gifford Nielsen, Brian K. Taylor
 * New: S. Gifford Nielsen, Chi Hong (Sam) Wong, Matthew L. Carpenter
 * North America Northeast:
 * Current: Randall K. Bennett, Kevin S. Hamilton, Allen D. Haynie
 * New: Randall K. Bennett, Allen D. Haynie, W. Mark Bassett
 * North America Southeast:
 * Current: Claudio R. M. Costa, Shayne M. Bowen, Vern P. Stanfill
 * New: James B. Martino, Vern P. Stanfill, Hugo Montoya
 * North America Southwest:
 * Current: Lynn G. Robbins, Paul B. Pieper, Adrian Ochoa
 * New: Paul B. Pieper, Adrian Ochoa, Kyle S. McKay
 * North America West (no change):
 * Kevin W. Pearson, Scott D. Whiting, Jörg Klebingat
 * Pacific:
 * Current: O. Vincent Haleck, Ian S. Ardern, K. Brett Nattress
 * New: Ian S. Ardern, K. Brett Nattress, Kazuhiko Yamashita
 * Philippines:
 * Current: Evan A. Schmutz, Michael John U. Teh, Taniela B. Wakolo
 * New: Evan A. Schmutz, Taniela B. Wakolo, Steven R. Bangerter
 * South America Northwest:
 * Current: Enrique R. Falabella, Hugo Montoya, Mathias Held
 * New: Enrique R. Falabella, Jorge F. Zeballos, Mathias Held
 * South America South (no change):
 * Benjamin De Hoyos, Mark A. Bragg, Juan Pablo Villar
 * Utah:
 * Current: Craig C. Christensen, LeGrand R. Curtis Jr., Randy D. Funk
 * New: Craig C. Christensen, Randy D. Funk, Walter F. Gonzalez

Again, as time and circumstances allow, I will be working on both the subpage for this page and that for the list of general authorities page. Hope this information is helpful to all who read it. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)
 * Hello again, everyone! Given that it is now past midnight Wikipedia time on August 1, 2019, in a few minutes, I will be merging this page with the subpage I created for the changes which are now or will be effective as of today (August 1). However, once I do so, I will need someone to merge the page histories so the relevant changes can be included on the history log for this page. Any questions about the changes made can be posted here. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 04:46, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Request that here. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  08:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC) (Added ping at 08:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC))

Done. Pinged you as requested. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry,, I made the request but pinged you on the request rather than here. Wanted to make sure you were aware I have done as you requested. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:39, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , it's fine. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  00:27, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Montana is under which area presidency?
It seems a little unclear from wiki article which area Montana is in? This may be something that should be addressed. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydney Rigdon (talk • contrtibs) 19:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay in getting a response posted here to your question. The areas in the United States and Canada are unique in the sense that some states or territories fall under the boundaries of 2 (or even 3) different areas. Per information available in the 2013 Church Almanac, the entirety of Montana is assigned to the North America Central Area. Hope this information is helpful to you. But in addition, I would like to note that in some cases, the way the Church draws the boundaries of each area is unique enough that it may be harder to tell in some cases. That is more a problem within the US and Canada than it is anywhere else, but there you go. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Area Leadership Assignments for 2020
Hello again, everyone! With the publication of the 2020 changes that will be made in area leadership, I have taken the liberty of creating [[User:Jgstokes/Area (LDS Church)/August 2020|a subpage] on which to detail these changes, for which I have provided an area-by-area analysis here. Those changes will be incorporated onto that subpage in the coming days, with the content thereof copied onto this page on August 1 when those changes become effective. Anyone with any feedbackk on those changes as they are in progress can post those inquiries here. In the meantime, my thanks once again to you all. --[[User:Jgstokes|Jgstokes]] (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, everyone! A couple of days ago, a release from the Church's Newsroom announced the area leadership changes that will be effective on August 1 of this year. Subsequently, this morning, the Church News also confirmed those changes. In accordance with my yearly tradition, I have combed over those changes and compiled them in this document. Prior to this announcement, I had taken the opportunity to create a subpage to hold the annoucned changes in place until they go into effect. This is to advise all editors reading this message that the process of inputting the changes in is in progress, and should hopefully be completed soon. My thanks once again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 01:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

No more half-updates, please
Hello again, everyone! I am currently in the midst of solving an issue that never should have arisen on this page or on any other Wikipedia page, for that matter. When the latest temple announcements have been made by the Church, some editors have opted for some reason to only add certain temples (for example, the newest announced in Utah), and leaving the rest of the list as it is. I cannot mince words on this: If you take the trouble to add temples in a certain area (Utah, for example) as they are announced, then you also need to take time to add in all other temples for all other areas that were mentioned in the same announcement. If any of you doing the partial updates are unable to finish that yourselves, then it would be more helpful for those who follow to have some idea of what's been done and what may still need attention. I'm having to waste some of my time this evening to ensure that all of the temples announced in the last year or two have been input into the relevant areas to which they appertain, just to ensure we don't overlook any needed updates. So first, don't start the updates if you aren't going to bother to finish making them. Secondly, if you get interrupted in the process of making all of the necessary updates, please leave a note here on the talk page to indicate how fAr you've gotten in that process, and where you stopped, so that any one or more editors picking up that process will know where to start and what else needs doing. If you lack time to finish what you started and/or lack time to indicate your stopping point, then please hold off on making any changes until they can all be made at once. I apologize if this comment comes across as abrupt or rude, but if whomever bothered to add the latest announced Utah temples had taken the time and effort to finish adding all temples announced at the same time, I wouldn't need to waste an evening on my end handling that. So whether you opt for the all-or-nothing approach, or for the doing-what-you-can-as-time-allows approach, please leave a placeholder somewhere indicating what got done and whatever might still need to be done. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Boundaries of the North American Areas
I recently reverted a good faith edit on the North America areas that shifted the locations to full alphabetical order. The boundaries of the 6 North American areas are more uniquely-drawn because those areas cover the United States and Canada, and some area boundaries include only portions of states, provinces or territories. The current breakdown of those 6 areas lists the full states or territories included in each (in alphabetical order), followed by the states, territories, or provinces for which only sections or small portions are included. Because the boundaries of the 6 North American areas are more uniquely-defined than they might be elsewhere in the world, it is important to detail exactly which parts of which states, provininces, and territories are included in each. Rather than consolidating to include only the major regions in each area, it might instead be wiser to get more specific and note which portions, sections, or segments of each state, province, or territory are part of each North American area. That information can be pulled from the 2014 Church Almanac. Although there are less areas in the United States now than there were when that final Almanac was published (North America has gone from 10 areas to 6 as of 2018 and 2019). Just wanted to clarify these points here. Please feel free to post any questions about this below. My thanks once again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Europe East Area - Russia
Late last night, an update on Classic Maps added a Church area to the European continent. The new area, identified as the Europe East Area - Russia reportedly covers Belarus, the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. The Church has not yet officially confirmed the creation of this area, which means that we cannot currently verify the information or include it here. But if and when the information is included (which could occur within the next week), at that point, any pertinent information also released can be included when it is added to this page. My thnks once again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Classic maps is down from me when I'm writing this, but I just realized what you're bringing up. This is just speculation on my part, but Europe East Area is headquartered in Russia and covers areas on both sides of Russia. It's unclear to me that this division of it on maps is absolute. If it became its own area, I would imagine it would be better titled "Russia Area" since so much is located on the Asia side and all missions in the area are named and headquartered in Russia. Also I noticed Belarus is no longer part of the Baltic Mission and is now part of the Russia Moscow Mission. Areas of Europe East outside of Russian missions may not be as easily administered from area headquarters in Moscow at this point. Things are still moving pretty quickly on the ground so I don't think an official restructuring (if any) will come until things settle down. Also, I don't think there will ultimately be two areas named "Europe East". These are just my thoughts and speculation. I think it's a wait and see situation at this point. -Dmm1169 (talk) 19:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * To clarify, Classic Maps now differentiates between "Europe East Area - Russia" and "Europe East Area" This is a split off of the regions I described from the rest of the defined Europe East Area as noted here. The current situation of the nations in the newly-defined area and how that affects the rest of Eastern Europe may have been enough to warrant the change. There is a current humanitarian crisis due to the situation between Russia and Ukraine, and several parts of both of the current areas have been impacted. As far as the name of the new area, that could be a placeholder until the official announcement comes down the pike. I'm perfectly willing to wait for official confirmation that such a change has actually occurred, but if it's been noted on Classic Maps, obviously someone at headquarters inputted the change. Either way, if this is official, we should learn more within the next week or two. There's no rush on this matter. I just thought it was worth noting here. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 19:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thank you for bringing this up! -Dmm1169 (talk) 19:48, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

List missions by area
Areas appear to be a collection of missions more than anything else, but also can cover areas where there are no missions. Looking at a map of mission boundaries overlapped with Area boundaries, it's clear that Areas boundaries use Mission Boundaries as their boundaries (where missions exist). For example, the mission office in Tulsa moved to NW Arkansas and subsequently, the mission was moved from the NA Southwest Area to the NA Southeast Area with its boundaries including the entirety of the mission. The Mission's stakes are located in the Oklahoma City Oklahoma Temple District which is in the North America Southwest Area. Of course this will change once the Bentonville Arkansas Temple is completed. This being said, there is no listing of Missions by Area. -Dmm1169 (talk) 16:57, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for adding this. It looks great! Quick question: Should we update the table with the area demographics (where membership, congregations, and temples are currently listed) to include a new column with the information about the missions? If we do that, it would eliminate the need for the new table to be below everything else. Adding a parameter or demographic to the table should be relatively easy and straight-forward. And that would enable all the demographic data to be included in one table. If you have strong feelings about keeping that separated out, it's not a problem. Just wanted to ask either way. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Info from all three tables is combined below. Feel free to edit and reformat. Maybe have the intermediate bars a different color/shade as the header bar. I'll be able to work on it more next week-Dmm1169 (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

{| class=wikitable ! colspan=3 |

Africa Central
Headquarters: Nairobi, Kenya

Official Website

TBD Members, TBD Stakes, TBD Districts, TBD Congregations, 10 missions, 4 Temples

Area president: Joseph W. Sitati First counselor: Matthew L. Carpenter Second counselor: Thierry K. Mutombo ! colspan=3 |
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Missions: ! colspan=3 | Temples: ! colspan=3 | Geographic coverage: (Areas where the LDS Church has no official presence in italics) Burundi; Cameroon; Central African Republic; Republic of the Congo; Democratic Republic of the Congo; Djibouti; Equatorial Guinea; Eritrea; Ethiopia; Gabon; Kenya; Rwanda; Seychelles; Somalia; South Sudan; Tanzania; Uganda ! colspan=3 |
 * valign="top" |
 * Cameroon Yaounde Mission
 * Democratic Republic of the Congo Kinshasa Mission
 * Democratic Republic of the Congo Kinshasa East Mission
 * Democratic Republic of the Congo Lubumbashi Mission
 * valign="top" |
 * Democratic Republic of the Congo Mbuji-Mayi Mission
 * Ethiopia Addis Ababa Mission
 * Kenya Nairobi Mission
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 * Republic of the Congo Brazzaville Mission
 * Tanzania Dar es Salaam Mission
 * Uganda Kampala Mission
 * Uganda Kampala Mission
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Africa South
Headquarters: Johannesburg, South Africa

Official Website

TBD Members, TBD Stakes, TBD Districts, TBD Congregations, 11 missions, 6 Temples

Area president: Christoffel Golden Jr. First counselor: Edward Dube Second counselor: Ciro Schmiel ! colspan=3 | Missions: ! colspan=3 | Temples: ! colspan=3 | Geographic coverage: (Areas where the LDS Church has no official presence in italics) Angola; Botswana; Comoros; Eswatini; Lesotho; Madagascar; Malawi; Mauritius; Mayotte (FRA); Mozambique; Namibia; Réunion (FRA); Rwanda; Sao Tome and Principe; South Africa; Zambia; Zimbabwe ! colspan=3 |
 * valign="top" |
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 * Angola Luanda Mission
 * Madagascar Antananarivo Mission
 * Mozambique Beira Mission
 * Botswana/Namibia Mission
 * valign="top" |
 * Mozambique Maputo Mission
 * South Africa Cape Town Mission
 * South Africa Durban Mission
 * South Africa Johannesburg Mission
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 * Zambia Lusaka Mission
 * Zimbabwe Bulawayo Mission
 * Zimbabwe Harare Mission
 * Zimbabwe Harare Mission
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 * }

, I wouldn't change a thing. That looks woderful as is. If you want to add color to this reformatted table, that would be great also. I won't attempt to do that part of it myself, because color codes on Wikipedia is outside my comfort zone and current expertise. But I do think we can make this the new standard format for area listings, since it combines the content of the previous two tables into one. What I can do is see (as time and circumstances allow) if I can expand this table to include other areas. Of course you or anyone else reading our exchange here is welcome to chip in as well. But aside from a potential color change to make the different elements stand out more, the format is wonderful as is. What I might do is create a draft of a revision of this article to which anyone can contribute, and we can work towards using your new redistribution of area data there, then replace this article with that one once it is complete with the color scheme you referenced. In the meantime, thanks for getting this started.. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It actually combines 3 tables into 1. Tables in sections List (Area headquarters, Area leadership, Geographic coverage), Area Details (Membership, Missions #, Stakes/Districts, Congregations (Wards/Branches), Temples), Missions by Area (List of missions in each area). Essentially everything about an area is shown together. The only disadvantage is that sortable tables was eliminated, which I think is minor. If that's still important, the Area Details table (only sortable count columns, not list of temples) can remain. But I'm not seeing the value of a sortable table unless one really wants to compare. Also, Full membership and organizational count in some areas (ie. Middle East/Africa North, Asia, etc.) would be difficult to obtain accurately due to unpublished count of members and organizations in countries with unofficial church presence. I don't know of anywhere where the church publishes it by area other than in some of the older almanacs. Therefore, the full count would have to rely on estimates from other sources (ie. mainland China, Pakistan,...)-some of these estimates found would also be outdated; outdated numbers in countries with previous official church presence (ie. Russia); or not include them at all in determining these values. Dmm1169 (talk) 13:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I don't think the sortable table is needed. On the issue of membership data, that has been a years-long problem because some areas do not have that data readily available. I was able a few years ago to pull data from major individual regions in each area and combine the data to get the totals to include on this page. Additionally complicating things for now is the fact that, although the Church typically releases updated statistical information for individual nations every year after the April General Coference, that was not done last year. My understanding is that the pandemic (particularly in the first year thereof) had a detrimental impact on Church growth, and top leaders were concerned that releasing the more specific data could lead to a misinterpretation thereof by critics or apostate groups. So the country-specific data was not released last year for that reason. I also understand that the Church is hoping to eventually have official websites for every exisiting area of the Church, which would allow area-specific statistical data to be featured there, but there have beeen more updates needed to the Church website for a while now in view of all that has happened, so it could take a while to get pages for every area (complete with statistical demographics) up and running. That being said, I fully anticipate that the Church will release full nation-by-nation updated data after the upcoming April General Conference, since there is no reason to not do so now. But for any statistical information not featured by area, the numbers could be gathered relatively easily. I might undertake that task myself. Hope this information is helpful. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

New draft article created for revised table format
In the discussion section above this one, shared the new layout for consolidating the data spanning two tables in this article into one. As a result, I have gone ahead and created this draft page to hold the changes to the new format. After creating that, I took the liberty of expanding the single table to include a new section for the Africa West Area, using the two sample ones as a template for that. Now that I have the Africa West Area handled, anyone who is interested can look at the table format and start adding in subsequent areas noted here. While we could continue to add other areas in alphabetical order to that table, I am wondering if it might be better/wiser to split the area-specific tables into major geographical areas that are close together. That could be done by using the distribution system the Church uses to split the ten quorums of area seventies, but do that in geographical order. What that would do is have a section for the 3 Africa Areas already done. The Asia, Asia North, Pacific and Philippines Areas would be in the second table. Europe, Europe East, and Middle East/Africa North Areas would be in the third table. The fourth table would be for Latin America, housing the Brazil, Central America, Caribbean, Mexico, South America Northwest, and South America South Areas. And the fifth table would be for the North America Central, North America Northeast, North America Northwest, North America Southeast, North America Southwest, North America West, and Utah Areas. I'd be happy to discuss this idea here further. But for now, that would be my suggestion. My thanks once again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 07:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm almost indifferent on alphabetical or by major geographical areas but side with alphabetical. Primarily for the fact that area header text would be smaller if grouped into larger categories (==== instead of ===). There are manual ways to overcome this, but adds a layer of complexity. Most areas are already labeled by continent. Three or four (Caribbean, Europe East, Middle East/North Africa, and arguably Asia North which is partly in Oceania) cross continental boundaries. Only four (Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, Utah) are named for the state/country it covers. Two multi-country areas (Caribbean and Central America) are named by region and not by continent. That's all that would be effected by whether its organized by region or alphabetical. There are locator map(s) at the beginning of the page so I think alphabetical would probably be best, but again, I'm mostly indifferent between the two on the listed order. If the list of areas grow, then geographical groupings may be better.
 * Unless one feels different, for
 * Navboxes: For the continent navboxes (ie. Oceania), I plan on providing links directly at the bottom bar with the other links and would look like "...Missions* Area (Asia North, Pacific)" with appropriate links targeting it to the appropriate area section in this page.
 * Infoboxes: I also plan on adding Area to the State/Country infobox which would be located below image caption and above membership which will give the option show which Area(s) the state/country is located in. Dmm1169 (talk) 14:16, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , your observations make sense to me. And truthfully, when the Church lists new mission presidents or area leadership changes, that is done alphabetically by area. So keeping that order rather than making it more regional sounds good to me. I will continue to chip in on the new draft page as I can, but since you created these new tables (which, as you say, does consolidate the number of tables from three to one), I might let you take care of most of the Church areas on your end. You presented the new format, so it seems like you know your way around it fairly well. When I was able to take care of the Africa West Area yesterday, I wound up having to create a table for it in the new format, then going back 2-3 times to fix errors I had unintentionally made. You probably wouldn't have that issue, so I'd defer to your expertise to take care of most of the other areas, though I'd be happy to chip in from time to time. Thanks again for coming up with the new concept. I think an overhaul of the current layout is long overdue. Keep up the great work! --Jgstokes (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll get on it next week. It shouldn't take too long as it's primarily copy and paste into the new format. It just depends on how many mistakes I make in creating it. As you've realized, it is temperamental so everything does have to be inputted correctly, otherwise funny things happen. The original table I made came from the List of Missions page which I self-taught myself in how to use it and then copied and tailored it to Church Areas. While I'll try to keep it updated, I hope that it's easy enough for someone to come back behind me and make updates as needed.
 * I want to get this done early next week before general conference as there's typically a |The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_membership_statistics|The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_membership_statistics_(United_States)|The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_membership_statistics_(Canada)|List_of_temples_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_by_geographic_region|List_of_missions_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints|The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_membership_history|Comparison_of_temples_of_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints spike in views during general conference. I also see |The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_in_Ukraine spikes to regional pages during major world events. Dmm1169 (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, getting this done the week before General Conference should be good. As I mentioned in previous comments, the Church did not release updated statistics last year since COVID-19 factors would reflect negatively on the Church.In the meantime, I will see what I can do about adding to the new draft article myself. I might be able to get a few more areas done this week. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

, I don't get this. If there's agreement, I suppose it's here on the talk page--but agreement between two LDS members in advance of some big church conference, that doesn't sound very neutral to me. And we are NOT a Rolodex for this kind of information, which lacks secondary sourcing and is the kind of thing one goes to the organizational website for. I'll add that the very concept of "area" lacks independent secondary sourcing: the few sources that look like possible acceptable sources are not independent: Allen and Leonard are LDS historian who are LDS themselves, the journal is an LDS journal, and the rest (except for the last one, which only verifies the existence of the California San Jose Mission, and has only two fleeting mentions of the LDS concept of "area") are organizational. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , that's the problem. A lot of people here don't seem to be aware of what's been going on behind the scenes. So permit me to enlighten you. I have been working with behind-the-scenes here at Wikipedia on a new set of notability guidelines that would apply to articles about the Church and its' leaders. Those efforts are hoped to curtail the deletion of articles which, without sufficient independent sourcing, would be subject to deletion discussions. The drafting of the guidelines will take time. As that process is underway, some parameters have been set already. Among those parameters, the Deseret News has been determined to be a sufficiently independent source.
 * By extension, that means that information published by the Church Almanac, which was published yearly by the Deseret News, can also be used as a primary source for items such as which missions belong to which areas. The reference to General Conference was made because it is after each April General Conference that the Church provides the latest statistics. As I mentioned in another thread above, the Church did not release area statistics last year due to concerns that the information, affected by COVID-19 factors impacting Church growth would be cast in a negative light by Church critics. Since updated statistics, when released by the Church, would be covered in sources sufficiently independent of the Church (Deseret News, KSL, Salt Lake Tribune, etc.) they would be eligible for inclusion here on Wikipedia. The drafting of the new proposed guidelines is going slowly, because I've been asked to spearhead it, and I've had extensive health issue to work around that have led to delays in those drafts.
 * But FormalDude is an admin, and his unique understanding of and commitment to helping to solve long-term issues with articles about the Church, especially with his status as someone outside of the Church, makes him a neutral participant in this process. The process is underway, but is slow-going, and based on current determinations, the Deseret News, the Church Almanac, and the Salt Lake Tribune are sufficiently independent coverage, so any data released by the Church and shared by them would be eligible for inclusion. I have personally made no secret about my personal active membership in the Church, but I don't believe has ever stated one way or the other if that also personally applies. So your statement about "agreement between two LDS editors" may be misleading, or perhaps even incorrect. I've learned not to make such assumptions. Anyways, that's where we stand. An overhaul of this page is underway in draftspace, and unless and until there is clear agreement that the information about missions is irrelevant or too cumbersome for the new page, you are currently the only objector to it. That being said, if anyone agrees with you, I'd welcome the chance to hear from them and address their concerns. And if you have any follow-up questions on this, I'd be happy to address those as well. --Jgstokes (talk) 18:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not an administrator.
 * Also, the Church Almanac is listed as an unacceptable source on the draft notability guidelines because it is a joint publication of the Deseret News and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and, as such, it is in part a self-published source. –– FormalDude  talk  18:28, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

, thanks for that clarification. Don't quite know where I got the idea you were an admin, and I had forgotten about the determination on the Almanac. In any case, the list of missions in question can be verified through the Deseret News, which publishes a list of new mission presidents every year concurrently with the Church News, so that means including information about the missions of the Church would be acceptable if it is covered by the Deseret News or elsewhere. I appreciate you keeping me honest. --Jgstokes (talk) 18:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * No problem! –– FormalDude  talk  19:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

, would you mind looking at the new draft article and offering any feedback you might have? No rush on that, just thought I'd ask. --Jgstokes (talk) 19:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it needs more independent sources to prove notability. I believe this falls under WP:NLIST (not 100% sure), but you may want to look at those guidelines. –– FormalDude  talk  21:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

That observation is appreciated. Since the revisions in question are still in draftspace, it would not be problematic to add sufficiently independent sources where applicable. I can defintely look at doing that on my end as we get further along on that page. I will also keep the NLIST policy in mind when I do get around to adding sources. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 22:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Merge Proposal
Hello again, everyone! has worked tirelessly in recent days to complete the revised tables for this page in the draft article. Now that it is completed, I propose moving and merging the content and history of the draft article to this article's mainspace. What has been done is replacing three table's worth of information and consolidating that into single tables for each area. It's tidier and neater. I understand there is an issue with the current lack of independent sourcing in the article. But that is an issue that can be remedied at a later time. I don't think that issue should be sufficient grounds to prevent this merger. Unless there are massive objections, I see no reason to delay the merge. Thoughts? --Jgstokes (talk) 19:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * , I agree. Although, even though I put a lot of work into this, I'd like to wait a couple of days to see if others would like to give input. Dmm1169 (talk) 02:50, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There has been no additional comment. Do we want to continue merging? As for referencing, I only included references and information that were already in the tables. So that's not adding to, but acknowledging an already existing issue. -Dmm1169 (talk) 14:10, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

, since there has been no additional feedback (including objections to the subpage or the merge), I'd think we'd be safe to boldy go ahead with the merge. As I noted in the main section above, we can look for sufficiently-indepedent sourcing once the new changes are implemented into this page. But I see no reason why the lack of independent sourcing would be a sufficient concern to prevent the merge. --Jgstokes (talk) 17:36, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Area Leaderiship Assignments Include Realignment of the Europe Areas, with those realignments effective immediately
Hello again, everyone! On Thursday, the Church released the area leadership assignments for 2022. Most of the changes will go into effect on August 1, as has been customary. But the existing Europe and Europe East Areas have been realigned into 3 new areas, and those changes are effective immediately. The areas are the Europe Central, Europe East, and Europe North Areas. The President and First Counselor in the previous Europe East Area Presidency are now the President and First Counselor in the new Europe North Area, with an area seventy as the Second Counselor. The area seventy who had been serving as Second Counselor in the Europe East Area will now be an assistant in the Europe North Area, where he will have direct supervisory responsibility for the nations of Ukraine and Moldova, which will be separate from any of the three areas for the time being. The presidency of the previous Europe Area has been called to preside over the Europe Central Area. And the realigned Europe East Area will be overseen by 3 more area seventies. Those changes can be incorporated immediately, since they are already effective. I will create a subpage or draft article to hold the remaining changes until they go into effect on August 1. , you would probably have an easier time updating the relevant tables and creating one more for the third area than I would. And I'll plan on posting a new topic once I have created the subpage or draft to hold the August changes, in addition to providing a list of the other changes to the 20 areas not headquartered in Europe. Just wanted to note all of that here. My thanks once again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 05:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , I can make the change for Europe Areas. I think it maybe best to create an "Unassigned" section for countries not assigned an area (Ukraine/Moldova).  The remaining implementations occur in August and I think it would be best to make those changes then. If you want, in the meantime, you can include statement(s) in the header and wherever else deemed necessary (if any) regarding the implementation in August. You seem to be better at wording things than I am.  Thanks. -Dmm1169 (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

, would it be possible to have Ukraine and Moldova perhaps listed as a subsection of the Europe North Area? The announcement on the Europe Areas notes that the supervising area seventy is an "area assistant" to the Europe North Area. Just for the record, the Church has had "area assistants" in the past, primarily for the 6 North American areas, and sometimes, the newest GA Seventies serving at headquarters have served as "area assistants" prior to joining the North American Area presidencies they had previously assisted. It sounds to me as though logistically, Ukraine and Moldova are better administered separately by the area seventy serving as an "assistant" to the Europe North Area presidency, so putting Ukraine and Moldova in a separte section on their own might not make as much sense as noting the unique way the two nations are connected to the Europe North Area, albeit indirectly for now. As far as the August changes, I'm well aware that implementing those here before they take effect would violate established policy. But with the Church usually announcing in April what the area assignments will be, effective August 1, we have customarily created a page in userspace (which I've usually done as a subpage of my own user page) to hold the changes until they are effective. That eliminates the amount of work we need to do on August 1 of each year, since the annnouncement is made so far in advance. I believe the one and only problem we've encountered with those subpages is that we are not always able to get the histories of those subpages merged into the main articles after the August 1 changes become effective. Unless you have any objections to the usual method, I will plan on handling that part of it with subpages of my user page. In the meantime, thanks again for helping to get this page reworked. --Jgstokes (talk) 02:39, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * , Good idea with having it as a subsection of Europe North and will do that shortly. Also having Aug 1 changes in your userspace waiting for August 1 date would also help.  A new mission and reinstated mission will be effective July 1 and I'll include those as well with "(effective July 1)". This being said, the newsroom now says "early July" instead of "July 1". Dmm1169 (talk) 03:00, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What would be the best header for this subsection? "At this time, Ukraine and Moldova will be separate and overseen by Elder Kyrylo Pokhylko in his role as an Assistant to the Europe North Area Presidency."-Dmm1169 (talk) 03:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , I went ahead and boldly did the subsection myself. The Church having nations under the umbrella of an area without having those nations directly being part of that area is an unusual arrangement. My assumption would be that the separate arrangement will remain in effect until the current invasion of Ukraine ends, but that doesn't really help in trying to determine what the subsection's title should be. Since the source material isn't specific on that point, I don't think we need to be either. So perhaps keeping the "Unassigned" title would be easier, pending the release of further information.
 * Also, I noticed that the section with area statistics had not yet been updated to include the information about the 2 European areas becoming 3, so I went ahead and resectioned that list. In my observationt from the past couple of decades, the Church does maintain websites for most nations in which the Church has a strong presence. As a result, there are also some area pages in addition to individual pages for nations. And in the past, some area websites have listed area statistics.
 * I also happen to know that the Church was having some technical difficulties with updating the country and area pages with statistical information for the week or so after conference. That issue may still be ongoing. But we can nose around and see what we can find. Obviously it will be easier to update statistics on this page if we can pull those by area rather than nation-by-nation. And I will plan on my end to create one or two subpages of my user page for this year's changes. Once those subpages are available, I'll share that in the appicable talk pages. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:52, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename page?
Could we name this so it uses the full church name? Just want to bring it up to date. Cheers! Rogerdpack (talk) 16:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK as shown, per MOS:LDS - and probably WP:CONCISE.ChristensenMJ (talk) 17:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, it should be noted that the page's first in-article reference to the Church already uses the full name of the Church, so it's technically already compliant with the current guidelines established in the manual of sytle and the updated guidelines released by the Church in 2018. That being said,, there is an active discussion underway about proper terminology and updating the MOS and notability guidelines, so feel free to weigh in on that article or on the talk page for the existing MOS with concerns. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 22:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you saying you're OK with the current name? Rogerdpack (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes ChristensenMJ (talk) 16:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. When in parenthesis, the shortened version is much better when distinguishing it from other "Area" pages. Likewise one shouldn't use "John Doe (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)" to distinguish him from other John Does. "John Doe (LDS Church)"is a lot more concise and gets to the point when looking through titles. On the other hand, certain pages such as "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in [Country/State]" directly refers to the church itself in that area and therefore it's more appropriate to label these with the full name of the church. That being said, for every one of these pages there's some redirects to it so one can simply type in "LDS in [Country/State]" to get there and similarly done with other pages that begins with the full name of the church (ie. "LDS Membership Statistics"). Dmm1169 (talk) 03:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , as the others have already mentioned, using the full name of the Church in the titles of all appropriate articles would make them harder for the average reader to easily find. Our job is to make it easier for the reader to find content they are looking for. Aside from that argument, it should be noted that in introducing those updated guidelines, Russell M. Nelson specifically mentioned that "responsible news media will be receptive to our requests."
 * As I've mentioned repeatedly in discussions on this, I have followed all of the extensive coverage on the efforts to restore the correct name of the Church. And in none of that coverage has the Church ever specifically stated that the guidelines should also apply to "online encyclopedia(s) that anyone can edit." In every Wikipedia article about the Church, on the first reference, the Church's full name is listed. That is more than good enough to comply with the updated guidelines from the Church.
 * And again, a process is underway to establish specific notability guidelines that apply to all Church-related articles. Part of those discussions involve the extent to which the guidelines from the Church should be implemented on individual articles about the Church. If, after reading the above comments from  and, both of whom are longtime contributors to articles about the Church, do not address your concerns, since your question was directed to me, I believe that the Church's 2018 guidelines do not apply as much to Wikipedia as they do to media outlets. And even assuming that most people feel those guidelines should and do apply to articles here, changing them would require a project-level change (all articles about the Church fall under the specific Latter Day Saint movement project, and not just a change to individual articles.
 * Since you asked me about this, I'd like to ask you a question in return: Do you have anything from any general Church leader that could verify that the guidelines should apply to Wikipedia articles about the Church? If you do, present that and we can discuss it. In the current absence of anything remotely close to that, I believe that the current guidelines are sufficient, and that any change would need to occur from the project level on down to every individual article. So any discussions about,how, why and to what extent such changes should be made should occur at the project level, or, if not there, on the page I mentioned in my previous comment (where the notability guidelines being drafted specifically for Latter Day Saint articles are actively being discussed). Hope that answers your question. --Jgstokes (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would add that I may have generated confusion to this by moving the question, which was originally under my above comment, to below so that the conversation was reflected in chronological order....ChristensenMJ (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea I'll add to the discussion there. And also to the discussion it applying to wikimedia or not.  Peace out! Rogerdpack (talk) 21:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

August 2022 Changes in area leadership
Hello again, everyone! Per the usual tradition, I have created a subpage of my user page to hold the changes for the area presidencies on this page that will be effective on August 1, as outlined by the Church News and the Newsroom. I have compiled a document showing those changes by presidency. I will work on incorporating those changes into the subpage as I am able to do so, and anyone here is also welcome to contribute to that. My thanks once again to you all. --Jgstokes (talk) 01:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC) , had a quick question for you about the subpage of my user page that is holding the August 2022 area leadership changes: If you look at that page, the Africa Central Area section has an error in that the area presidency members are listed vertically, not horizontally. Would you be able to help me figure out why that's happened? Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , I'm confused. The Africa Central area is not included in the subpage you wikilinked. That subpage hasn't been edited since 2019. Thanks -- Dmm1169 (talk) 14:39, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

, my apologies. I did have a subpage of this page in my userspace that was just a general link. I failed to link to the new uubpage created for this year at the beginning of this topic. I have now fixed the link, and if you look at the correct page, the changes made here are all visible there, with additions made based on the 2022 area leadership assignments. For the Africa Central Area on that correct subpage, while the rest of the area details are listed vertically in a row, the area presidency members are shown horizontally, making that part of the table wider than the corresponding tables for the other areas. I apologize for the confusion I caused. Hopefully the corrected link helps. --Jgstokes (talk) 04:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Duplicates
1. The Africa South Area currently includes both "Eswatini" as well as "Swaziland" under geographical coverage. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe those both refer to the same country, just a current name and an old name, or maybe the name of the country in English and the name of the country in its native language.

2. "Costa Rica" currently appears under both the Caribbean Area and the Central America Area. I believe it should only be included in the Central America area, given that the Costa Rica missions and temples are in that area. 216.49.186.122 (talk) 19:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Sorry I didn't see it till just now. Thank you so much for your input!!-- Dmm1169 (talk) 00:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)