Talk:Area codes 909 and 840

=909/951/inland empire FBI Crime Rates= According to the FBI crime statistics report for year 2006 the 909/951 area codes have the third highest amount of crimes in the State of California at 51,237 crimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.244.14.12 (talk) 07:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

These statistics that are being provided are for counties and not area codes. As some counties fall into one or more area codes it is not accurate to label an area code as a high crime area based on county statistics. Who decides what area code a crime falls into based on the information you have provided? If a crime is in LA County, what area code does that crime fall under? Using county statistics is unreliable. deviousdevelopment 12:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The crime rate would be greater so the premise is the same with regards to the amount of crimes. Please explain to me how the sheer amount of crimes will be reduced if you include fringe cities? They wont, the amount of crimes will increase. Answer my question. By using these two counties and tabulating the amount of crimes in these two counties, they already are the third highest in the state of California. If you include cities such as Pomona, Diamond Bar, La Verne etc it will only add to the total amount of crimes. So once again please tell me how the amount of crimes will go down if these "fringe" cities are added to the tabulation? The amount of crimes is already high and will only be a higher amount once these other 909 cities are added to the tabulations. There is no way that the crimes can be reduced by including more areas. The statement is true. So once again, if you can prove that by adding "fringe" cities will somehow reduce the total amount of crimes representative in the 909/951 area codes then you may have a point. Until such date your premise does not hold any water.

Riverside is not entirely in the 909 area code. Therefore you cannot know if the crimes were committed within the 909 or 951 area code. Likewise, San Bernardino County has two area codes and the data provided does not say wether the crimes were commited in the 951 or 909 area code. Simply put, Wikipedia is a place for facts. County figures do not translate into area code figures. If you would like to add factual data saying the 909 has one of the highest crime rates or add data from each city within California showing a total for the area code then please do so. THE COUNTIES OF SAN BERNARDINO AND RIVERSIDE HAVE 2 AREA CODES. YOU CANNOT SAY HOW MUCH CRIME WAS COMMITTED IN EITHER, THEREFORE YOU CANNOT USE COUNTY CRIME RATES FOR AREA CODE CRIME RATES deviousdevelopment (talk • contribs) 00:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

If you subtract the cities in San Bernardino County, and Riverside County that are not in the 951/909 area codes but add in the areas that are border cities that do have the area code the amount of crimes is similiar to the numbers in the aforementioned statement. Go to this webpage it shows the crime statistics from the tabulations on that webpage there are 12646 crimes that occured in cities that are not in the "909/951" area codes.

When you Subtract cities that are not in the 909/951 but in SB/Riverside County areas such as

Apple Valley @ 2343 Crimes Cathedral City @ 2009 Crimes Victorville   @ 4201 Crimes Adelanto  @ 625 Crimes Palm Desert/Rancho Mirage/Palm Springs/Coachella,etc @ 3468 Crimes

You get 12646 Crimes

When you add in the crime rate of cities that are in the 909 area code (but in LA County) cities such as:

Claremont @ 1188 Crimes Diamond Bar @ 1003 Crimes La Verne @ 869 Crimes Pomona @6706 Crimes San Dimas @984 Crimes Walnut @544 Crimes

You get a net loss of 1352 crimes, How does this change my statement, the net amount of crimes is 49885.....This actually catapults The 909/951 Area Codes to having a greater amount of crimes than Los Angeles County which would then have 43914 crimes (once deducted those border cities from LA county totals). Please do your research, its easy to be an armchair editer but when you actually look at the data it paints the same picture. Thanks..

Armchair editor huh? It's not my job to do your research for you. And why are you including the 951 area code? Your adding of the numbers for a few cities not in the 909 area code and then adding those in LA County in the 909 area code does ot consitute factual evidence or research. Add up all 909 (not 951) area code city crime rates and we can talk.

Stop deleting facts. The 951/909 is part of the same MSA so it is relevant information. Which areas am I adding that are not in the 909/951 area codes, in the 951 wiki its the same deal the 909/951 are part of the same MSA they are related area codes. Some cities in LA County are in the 909 area code that is why they were included (remember you requested this).

Which cities are not in the 909 area code? you better check yourself before deleting relevant facts damn is this guy a wiki abuser or what? the facts are the facts just calm down and stop deleting factual data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.126.181 (talk) 06:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The whole 909/951 area code combined crime rate thing is irrelevant. Why include it? Why pick 909 and 951? Why not 909/951/760? Or just 909..because this is not an article about 909/951 combined. If someone were to edit the Riverside page and say that combined number of crimes in Riverside and Corona are the 3rd most of any pair of towns in California...doesn't that sound a little ridiculous. The source on the main page still lists the county crime data and not the individual city crime data. Additionally, where is your data for unincorporated LA County locations that are in the 909 area code? Did you find data to subtract crime numbers for unincorporated areas of San Bernardino and Riverside Counties that are not in the 909 or 951 area codes, but in 760? There is no way to quantify your numbers.Bigslickak (talk) 20:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

If you look properly there is a link for city data as well as county data, if the city data is added up you will see that the numbers are relevant. Unincorporated LA County added into the 909 area codes will only increase the amount of crimes listed. The numbers are quantified with the cited sources. Please break down the numbers and show me statiscally how the numbers are flawed. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.145.117.153 (talk) 16:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

You answer none of my questions. I repeat some of the questions I said above: "Did you find data to subtract crime numbers for unincorporated areas of San Bernardino and Riverside Counties that are not in the 909 or 951 area codes, but in 760?" (that would decrease the crime numbers) "Why group 909/951 together?" "Why is it relevant?" I believe your statement is not relevant. Do you understand what relevant means? Please explain. Please create a login as well instead of anonymously posting. It reduces your credibility.Bigslickak (talk) 20:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Please look at the tabulations here (they were posted up earlier, I urge you to read the whole discussion rather than continue your armchair editing). Its easy to type questions, but if you read this whole discussion the answers you are looking for are there:

If you subtract the cities in San Bernardino County, and Riverside County that are not in the 951/909 area codes but add in the areas that are border cities that do have the area code the amount of crimes is similiar to the numbers in the aforementioned statement. Go to this webpage it shows the crime statistics from the tabulations on that webpage there are 12646 crimes that occured in cities that are not in the "909/951" area codes.

When you Subtract cities that are not in the 909/951 but in SB/Riverside County areas such as

Apple Valley @ 2343 Crimes Cathedral City @ 2009 Crimes Victorville   @ 4201 Crimes Adelanto  @ 625 Crimes Palm Desert/Rancho Mirage/Palm Springs/Coachella,etc @ 3468 Crimes

You get 12646 Crimes

When you add in the crime rate of cities that are in the 909 area code (but in LA County) cities such as:

Claremont @ 1188 Crimes Diamond Bar @ 1003 Crimes La Verne @ 869 Crimes Pomona @6706 Crimes San Dimas @984 Crimes Walnut @544 Crimes

Please READ what I have written and see how the numbers were calculated and feel free to do your own research. You asking questions then changing rather than reading, IS ABUSE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.145.117.153 (talk) 21:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you please create a login, instead of hiding behind your anonymous edits, and on the talk page, unsigned edits? I removed your statement once again, I will continue to do so until you: A. stop or B. prove that your information is relevant. I am not convinced you understand what the word "relevant" means since you refuse to answer that question. I am also not convinced you understand what "unincorporated" means. Bigslickak (talk) 22:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

BIGSLICKAK,

Please prove that the unincorporated areas that you mention to indeed decrease the amount of crimes to a lower amount than what the posted data shows. Until this time you are making edits that have no merit. The facts are posted and cited. Your facts are not. You have not shown one shred of evidence which proves that hte unincorporated areas that you refer to siginifcantly reduce the amount of crimes which take place in these area codes. Your next post better be one with verifiable facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.232.75.25 (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

=909 is Northern Inland Empire=

There was a line in here about "909er" being a derogatory term for anyone from the Northern Inland Empire. I changed it to read that it refers to anyone from anywhere in the inland empire, including the new 951 area code. People from the new 951 area code are still refered to as 909ers, much to their chagrin.

=909er=

I have lived all over Southern California and have met many, many people from all areas of Southern California. I have never heard the term 909er used and although it may have been used once on a television show (or by a few high school students)I do not think it relevant to the area code or notable in any way. deviousdevelopment 05:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding? I hear this almost weekly. Of course its relevant, its deeply rooted in pop culture as a derogatory term. Even more so by far than '213' which there is a large section on pop culture references.Jgeddis (talk) 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * All just here say 909ner lol who would say that ? 2603:8001:4500:1C44:3C1D:8F1F:3694:6619 (talk) 11:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

=909 Inconsistant map=

There seems to be an inconsistancy between the large map and small map for the 909 area. I'm not sure which or both is correct.

909 as Example Area Code
During the early to late 1980s, and probably from the 1970s or earlier, AT&T Long Lines put out what was known as the Distance Dialing Reference Guide, used by telephone companies for internal purposes. It had five main sections, and every month, replacement pages were sent out. Some of the pages in the first three sections were never updated, even though they were getting out of date, such as the map of area codes. There also was a section explaining how to fill in a form to report changes, and the examples used the area code 909, probably because it was unused and likely to be the last area code to be assigned for use. At the time the map was printed and distributed, I believe the date was mid 1981, and it remained unrevised for the remainder of the time that the DDRG was supported. That means it did not even show 619, 718 and 818. I took the initiative in the office where I worked to approximate a replacement map with updates, as well as an updated list of area codes, numerically and alphabetically.

Section 4 of the book listed telephone company business offices for each area code, as well as an office we could call to get the name for phone numbers in that area code. Section 5 listed every active or just deactivated NXX code in an NPA, and these pages changed most often as new ones were added and existing ones were revised in some way. When a code split reached the end of permissive dialing, a whole bunch of Ds would appear under the old area code as codes were removed, and the next revision would show many fewer codes in use. The book was no longer supported by the time 909 became a real area code. GBC (talk) 14:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)