Talk:Arena (web browser)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

work to do
mabdul 02:15, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * market shaare? (see mapsofworld)
 * requested to take mapsofworld.com from the spam list at, since this source states that arena was widely used. no I/we have to wait!

timeline
✅ (removed content) is somebody able to upload the code? wikipedia doesn't want the code because of the js ^^
 * It looks great in my firefox, but it needs to be stripped of some formatting for the Wiki to accept it. I've started a post at SVG_Help. Perhaps you could save it as a png for now? Great timeline nonetheless!Smallman12q (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * thx. will check the new source uploaded by our helper and correct the errors. after that it will be integrated in the article. mabdul 12:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * done, see picture ;) mabdul 14:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Arena origin
It says at http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/drafts/html-design.html that  "Arena" was a testbed for HTML 3.0, from Dave Raggett et. al and links to http://info.cern.ch/Arena/ .It says at http://www.livinginternet.com/w/wi_browse.htm "In 1993, Dave Raggett at Hewlett-Packard in Bristol, England, developed a browser called Arena, with powerful features for positioning tables and graphics." Is this Arena's origin? (A .94 readme also has some info).Smallman12q (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also a [ http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/fermi/obsolete/502/i386.old/contrib/susedocs/pkg_English.ps post script] file i found...Smallman12q (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also a multilingual i18n version.Smallman12q (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If I understand all the resources correctly that I read: CERN invented the WWW and created later the W3C and moved their projects to the W3C and stopped involving into the WWW --> at the beginning everything was only available over CERN(because there there less servers!) So it was "understandable" that the first browsers were invented in cern. dave ragett worked for IBM and (moved/worked for both ?) later to the W3C. So the W3C/CERN was the real inventor. Think we can let the article as it is now mabdul 15:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Found a comment at www.ntg.nl/maps/16/maps.pdf saying Arena and UdiWWW were first to support 3.2 .Smallman12q (talk) 01:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Integrated and as well the graphical (bad rendered raster) timeline. mabdul 09:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * For your question about the origins: http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/book4/ch02.html explains Dave Raggett all: he worked fulltime at hp, halftime of that for the arena browser and at home in his spare time! really greate for the article. I found too much resource this morning, but I have to go now :( mabdul 08:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

pre-beta links
ok, I found many links that I will integrate in the arena article in at least 1 week. I'm on vacation and I don't know how long! all prerelease links are aviable on http://www.w3.org/Arena/0.90 mabdul 06:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also the Arena tour, Arena activity. You can see virtually all the files in the Arena directory here and relevant w3.org Arena stuff here. Great link above to http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/book4/ch02.html, I will use it to expand World Wide Web Conference 1. Something has come up for this weekend, but on Monday, I should have some time to expand these articles. Cheers!Smallman12q (talk) 13:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * thanks for the google link. I already knew that ;) the activity link is already integrated a few hours ago. as you can see: I corrected some mistakes already in the WWW1 article. Hope that the Arena article got a GA one, if we integrted all references. so, I have to go again. mabdul 13:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I inntegrated all links of the 0.9X builds (except the 0.98 builds) -->nearly finish: need to update the timeline! good night mabdul 02:17, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

todolist: mabdul 14:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.w3.org/Arena/style98/implementation
 * http://www.w3.org/Arena/style-beta-1/implementation.html

Email with Dave Raggett
I've emailed Dave Raggett and have been fortunate to get a response=D. Below is a copy of the correspondence for those interested:

Email 1 On Tue, 2010-06-22 > Hello, > I've written the Arena (web browser) article at Wikipedia at > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_%28web_browser%29 > > I was wondering if you'd be willing to give some screenshots of Arena > development under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License > or the W3C license.

Please find attached some screen shots from 1994 that you can use with the CC license.

Note that I started work on the browser in late 1992 as a spare time effort, and transferred it to Tim's group at CERN a couple of years later. It was given the name Arena fairly late on.

I built the browser on top of XLib as the programming manuals for Motif and other XWindows libraries were rather daunting. I demoed it at the first WWW conference in CERN in Summer 1994 and at the 1994 ISOC conference in Prague a couple of weeks later.

Regards,

-- Dave Raggett

Email 2 On Wed, 2010-06-23 > Thanks! > > I've added the pics to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_%28web_browser%29#Screenshots > > I have just one more question: Whyt did you name the browser Arena?

At one point I had a plan to create a themed browser with a romano greek flavor, and Arena sounded appropriate. -Dave Raggett

Hope this helps Mabdul!20:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smallman12q (talk • contribs)


 * Can we add this into the article without any conserns/as a reference? (to the agora/argo article also) mabdul 21:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've started a thread at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard to determine the proper way to cite this type of information.Smallman12q (talk) 01:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Excerpt
There's a nice excerpt that we may be able to useat One of the few commercial developers to join the contest was Dave Raggett at Hewlett-Packard in Bristol, England. He created a browser called Arena. HP had a convention that an employee could engage in related, useful, but not official work for 10 percent of his or her job time. Dave spent his 10 percent time,N plus a lot of evenings and weekends, on Arena. He was convinced that hypertext Web pages could be much more exciting, like magazine pages rather than textbook pages, and that HTML could be used to position not just text on a page but pictures, tables, and other features. He used Arena to demonstrate all these things, and to experiment with different ways of reading and interpreting both valid and incorrectly written HTML pages. Smallman12q (talk) 17:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Testbeded by NCSA?
More coming, thanks to Mosilac mystery on LineMode ports.
 * Not related, but apparently OMRON's version of 2nd Betas came first. And although no PDF document is available, maybe an actual public release by W3XXX? PS: dear captcha "drinkloose", much people here buy Coke, and we had some dictatorship, not a 2nd War (no debt, quite on the contrary).