Talk:Aristide Razu/Archive 1

Question
Dear Sir/Madam, My name is Andrei Radu Georgescu,user Aristiderazu.I have just wrote an article about my great grand father General of Division Aristide Razu.From some reasons the article has been deleted speedy. Well I do not understand(!?). Kind regards, Andrei Radu Georgescu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristiderazu (talk • contribs) 18:37, 7 June 2010
 * I have refactored this comment by removing the email address because email is not used here, except when rarely needed for confidential information. Collaboration is encouraged by open discussions held on talk pages. Johnuniq (talk) 03:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Improvement of Aristide Razu article
Hi,

It's me again,I keep seeing these signs over the article that I wrote /and was improved by others...etc./thanks! What do I have to do to improve it further?Or is anybody better suited for it? Kind regards.Aristiderazu (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2010 (UTC) Aristiderazu


 * The signs themselves contain links to relevant Wikipedia help pages, but here's a summary:
 * Additional references or sources for verification - The article has a list of books and web links, but it is not yet clear where each fact comes from. Have a look at a more typical Wikipedia article, for example David Gower. It has lots of little footnote markers which link down to specific lines in the references section, so that a reader can check each fact against its source. See Referencing for beginners. I think you should tackle this one, since you have copies of the books you are referring to.
 * Wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards - This refers to the number of blue links that cross-reference to other Wikipedia articles. A number of editors have helped with this, eg where Cahul was converted into Cahul, but it would be good to check if other place names can be converted into cross-references.
 * General cleanup - At least when the tag was placed, it was clear that the text had been written by someone whose first language was not English, and who was not familiar with the quirks of Wiki formatting. Other editors have improved both. I'll have a go myself when I have time in the next couple of days.
 * Conflict of interest - This tag will have to stay, since you are a relative of the general. It warns the reader to take extra care to check the facts against the references and sources.
 * -- John of Reading (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hang on, the "references" seem to be a list of people you've spoken to and places you've visited. Articles in Wikipedia must be backed up by reliable sources that readers could use to verify the facts. For example, if an article cites a newspaper they could go and find a copy; if a book, they could go to a library; if a web address, they could click through to check. I am therefore adding an original research tag as well. Click on that link to read about it. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed the list of people and provided an explanation below. Johnuniq (talk) 03:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Saved references from article
References for or the article about General Aristide Razu: 1.Miss Rachel Wells,CVO,ST JAMES'S PALACE http://www.panoramio.com/photo/48101298 and  Arthur ,Great Master http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36319736 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36319745  2.Constantin Kiritescu's work "Razboiul Pentru Intregirea Romaniei 1916-1919" (The War for Wholing Romania 1916-1919),written in 1921 ,which is the written Romanian Campaign against the Central Powers,as explained in General Aristide Razu epitaf :  http://www.panoramio.com/user/1288811?with_photo_id=60391693   http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39151171  http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39151188  http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39151196  http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39151207 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39151216. 3.Andrei Radu Georgescu (great grandson of General Aristide Razu) 4.And : "Notite Zilnice Din Razboiu 1916-1918" (Daily Notes of War 1916-1918) by Marshal Alexandru Averescu :http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39578346 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39578318 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39578322 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39578329 and Aristide Razu with 22nd Romanian Infantry Division http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39578340 situation at the 22nd Romanian Infantry Division 1916 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39579067 and a telegram of H.M. King Ferdinand of Romania, addressed to Alexandru Averescu,Commander of the II-nd Romanian Army, at Predeal and Cimpulung, 1916 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39579551

References for his nationalized propertier: 1.Guvernul Romaniei (Romanian Government) 2.Primaria Municipiului Bucureşti (Bucharest City Hall) http://www.panoramio.com/photo/24314050 http://www.panoramio.com/photo/24314116 3.Primaria Judetului Constanta (Constanţa County City Hall) 4.Primaria Judetului Bacău(Bacău County City Hall),and the city halls of the following villages :Birsanesti and Helegiu, Bacău County, Romania http://www.panoramio.com/photo/34930788 together with Inalta Curte De Casatie si Justitie (The High Cassation Court of Bucharest) http://www.panoramio.com/photo/38539654 and Amzacea, Ciobanita, Cobadin, former Osmancea, Constanţa County, Romania 5. European Court of Strasbourg,France.

Still plenty of problems - candidate for deletion again?
Unbalanced. Two paragraphs on the subject's life, four paras on his nationalised property. References seem to all be direct original research. Without a complete rewrite, I see an Afd coming for this article. Centrepull (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good luck. It doesn't seem to matter at Wikipedia how badly written an article is as long as there's some argument that the subject is notable.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Aristide Razu
Yes, sorry maybe you know better.ThanksAristiderazu (talk) 03:56, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Aristiderazu

List of properties
Removed all listings of nationalized or confiscated by the Romanian state in 1945 ,1946, 1948,1955 ,2013 properties as they are sourced by and through original research. Can be restored after providing reliable secondary sources. --Taterian (talk) 04:43, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In Arges County now Vilcea County, Muzeul Nicolae Balcescu (Land Balcesti -Giltofani) https://www.panoramio.com/photo/34931486 and https://www.panoramio.com/photo/43354462, belonging to Radu Mandrea, brother of Margareta Razu wife of General Aristide Razu, born from Zoe Balcescu (niece of Nicolae Balcescu by his brother Barbu Balcescu) and Nicolae Mandrea,still nationalized today since 1948.
 * In Barsanesti Village, Bacău County, 700 but on the confiscation act of 1945 and the one of 1946 in Romania,99 ha of land belonging to General Aristide Razu, Glodosu Land (Mosia Glodosu) https://web.archive.org/web/20090426030621/http://www.panoramio.com/photo/17168523 and Seuca/Sauca Land(Mosia Seuca)in Helegiu Village, Bacău County; they even threw out of their graves his parents Dr. Aristide Razu and Clara Razu (born Crupensky) on the land donated by Dr. Aristide Razu to Birsanesti Village for a cemetery, of 1 ha of land; still nationalized today,together with the buildings on 1 ha of land.
 * In Osmancea Constanta County, villages, Ciobanita https://www.panoramio.com/photo/27821431, Mereni, Amzacea, Cobadin former Osmancea Village, Constanţa County, 240 Ha of land belonging to his wife Margareta Razu( 202 Ha, still nationalized today) https://www.panoramio.com/photo/40030999 together with all buildings in Ciobanita Village on 5 Ha of land https://www.panoramio.com/photo/40030984  https://www.panoramio.com/photo/27435487, the place for grapes growing, in total 900 ha in this particular place as there were three sisters, Margareta Razu, Maria Mandrea and Tea Crasnaru, also called the Agemler Land, including his house of Aristide Razu ,husband of Margareta Razu, on Varsovia Street No.5, Bucharest  1,in former Bonabarte Park now Parcu Primaverii,former ,Raionul Stalin, confiscated in 1955 with a H.C.M. that is a decision of the council of ministers of P.C.R of R.S.R and it appears now as private property of a Socsz WILHELMA, Sector 1 Bucharest. https://www.panoramio.com/photo/170740862003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu

Well, after 1990 the Romanian state said that we can reclaim our properties .But in reality the Romanian securitate of communism , reinforced however after 1990 until 2020 , becoming thus from P.C.R. party some 11 so called democratic parties ,have changed their minds.Possibly they made these laws with returning the nationalized property after 1945, to enter Eu, Nato.So the whole communist apparatus of Romania , lives further in these nationalized houses , they have passed in private property the businesses of the Comunist Party , individually from small kiosks to hotels, fabrics,industry etc.,banks. inhabiting further the same positions as between 1948 to 1990.Si it is 1990 2020.Through sometimes crime and terror even murder they somehow manage to keep their status qvo. Now2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu.In Bucharest they entered these houses in Parcul Bonaparte between 1947 and 1950 now Parcu Primaverii and after 45 years of communism and another 30 of ,I don\t know what ,possibly neo-communism,they still live in these houses which were made like in Doctor Jivago film at first, but now they have the permission to buy them for a very small sum of money.These houses were taken in the property of S.C.Herastrau Nord during Nicolae Ceausescu or Gheorghe Gheorghiu Dej time,and during Ion Iliescu time and Claus Iohanis, we are in 2020.Not even when Ludovic Orban was mayor of Buchaerest or Traian Basescu , were these houses not returned. It is not only my house.Throughout Bucharest we are talking about some 50 000 houses possibly in all.Some people have died in 70 years of communism.Some had children.Some not.Some were politically arrested and died in prison at Ploiesti,Sighet,Poarta Alba, Jilava prisons ,some died in war ww2 .But it is not only Bucharest in Romania. 2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu

I had a neighbour ,Siana Polizu Micsunesti and she had a house in Snagov a villa inhabited by a securitate man name Dide. Well after she was a bit beaten by this fellow she ended up in very bad condition which i would not speak here .A woman.

My mother also died ,Gabriela Georgescu born Razu looking at Varsovia no 5 ,at the land, her house, from outsied .All in the end for these communists to not live these houses, properties ,lands.The former P.C.R. now ,P.S.D., P.N.L, P.N.T .etc.

In the end what was the process of replacing the aristocracy of Romania after 1948, goes on and on through 2020.It does not matter if civillians, women children ,dead .They even stole and keep stealing burial places in Bellu Bucharest Cemetery.

In Barasnesti ,Bacau County, the Chapell with the parents of Aristide Razu, Doctor Aristide Razu and his wife Clara Razu , was burned down and the bones thrown away , that I could not find by today were they are .I forgot the name of the mayor of Bacau. Clearly I Georgescu Andrei-Radu, am not the only one in this situation.Must be thousands.

These former communists now celebrate ,for example, the Great War or all Romania days like there were made in communism, by them .It is a bit strange.

I am only one person. But there are there possibly thousands in this situation. The corrupt justice system of Romania works in the favor of these people. You see, in 70 years they are thousands too. All of them are in politics, army or police, to say the least,communist one.Whe we appealed to the European Courts of Rights, these communist are by now working there too.,with the new governments after 1990.When they upload a ship with sheep or grains, one house does not matter One person does not matter .And then multiplied by hundreds still does not matter.They provide military safety in the region since 1948 .Etc2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu

CB and The Greater Romania Orders
Well ,I have noticed that this long lost CB ,Order Of The Bath decoration finally showed up.Is this from Romania, from a private collection,collector?Just asking.No offense ,because I have never seen it me self personally nor in my house or perhaps in Military Museum of Bucharest.Thank You.Aristiderazu (talk) 15:33, 8 February 2018 (UTC)AristiderazuThat goes for the other two Romanian Orders ,as well,these i have seen in the museum.SO i have a question ,Aristide Razu my Great Grand Father have done with them what?2003:CF:BBCA:94D9:C4D9:AAA4:ADBE:13FE (talk) 14:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu,possibly donated them to the Military Museum of Bukarest/Bucharest/Bucuresti, there I venever seen them at the place of Aristide Razu in the said museum, however I think I saw them at Averescu or Prezan,defenetlly I think I saw many other Orders, Ordinul Mihai Viteazu, Crucea Romaniei sau Steaua Romaniei cu spade to others ,etc, in Military Museum of Bucharest.2003:CF:BBCA:94D9:C4D9:AAA4:ADBE:13FE (talk) 14:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)AristiderazuMaterial Staff.Here is not clear , maybe they were all deco uniforms ,donated to the museum after 1930 or etc.SOme of them ended up in after 1950 private high ranking communists figures collections.etc2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu Aristiderazu (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu2003:CF:BBD5:CC5:3C2E:3199:8480:6161 (talk) 23:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)Aristideraz2003:CF:BF12:D8B8:1565:1541:E1A6:CCCD (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)Razu

Orders Of Romania
So, the Romanian orders are now to a Macreanu Iulian am I to understand?Aristiderazu (talk) 18:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)Aristiderazu