Talk:Arizona State University/Archive 2

Sustainability
I wonder if it would be appropriate to add a section on sustainability efforts at ASU. It appears other university wiki pages include sustainability sections or short blurbs (university of Washington, university of Arizona, university of California, etc.). Let me know your thoughts. 64.134.228.216 (talk) 21:47, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be a great idea. --68.2.254.220 (talk) 22:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Very much agreed. I think a new page for the Institute for Sustainability/School of Sustainability could even be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbericcc (talk • contribs) 06:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am a first-time Wikipedia contributor who works for Arizona State University (ASU). I've been conversing with David Goodman from Wikipedia (user DGG) to see if we could create a new article discussing ASU's Rob and Melani Walton Sustainability Solutions Initiatives, where I work. The Initiatives partner often with ASU's School of Sustainability and we are technically a department part of the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Institute of Sustainability. We've created some content for our own article, but per David's email on 9/11/14, it would most likely not be published considering I work at the Initiatives/ASU and the content was written by me. Therefore, despite how much I feel unbiased, the article may still have some bias. We were wondering if the Wikipedia community thought our content may be a good fit under the ASU article's "sustainability" section? David mentioned that our content would not warrant a new article since we were recently established and don't have much historical significance, but would fit better under the main ASU article, considering we have several initiatives on campus that contribute to ASU's sustainability efforts. We plan on inserting an abbreviated version of our draft Wikipedia article under the "sustainability" section soon, but would like your feedback first. Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. You can reach me at nmuilenb@asu.edu. Thank you! Nmuilenb (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It has now been 9 days since I last commented about our new content to contribute to the sustainability section. We will wait until Friday, September 26, 2014 for any feedback. If there is none, we will go ahead and submit our content for publication. Thank you. Nmuilenb (talk) 16:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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List of Degrees
This line seems pedantic; it is also incomplete. The complete list of degrees awarded is at and. It would be preposterous to list all of them, so I added the word "include". There has to be a better way. Mbelisle 07:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The links provided above seem out of date, here is an updated link providing a list of majors offered at ASU, perhaps this could help  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erk M (talk • contribs) 06:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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Removing misrepresentation of "free speech" controversy
Arizona state law, passed in 2016, prohibits "state and local agencies from contracting entities that boycott Israel... The bill requires that all companies doing business with the state certify that they are not boycotting Israel." It is a misrepresentation to suggest that ASU independently of its own free will is trying to silence dissent concerning BSD. Please discuss on the talk page a more balanced way to talk about this in the article, if indeed it belongs in the article at all. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Party School
In popular culture, media and film there are many jokes about ASU's drinking, sex and frat culture reputation. Should that be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.131.148 (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Former names in infobox
According to WP:MOS, "former_name" and "former_names" are acceptable components of an infobox about a university. I see no reason people should be edit-warring to remove this information, so please reply here with a policy justification if there is one. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:52, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said elsewhere, figuring out what to include in infoboxes is a bit subjective, and should meet the needs of the individual article. Per Manual of Style/Infoboxes: The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance. Listing all seven prior names pushes all the other information below the fold on most monitors, which makes the infobox less effective. Instead of focusing on policy in the abstract, the manual of style helps us figure out how to present information clearly, which is what this specific edit is about. It's also the purpose of the infobox, and of Wikipedia articles in general. Grayfell (talk) 01:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to see this list moved down to a lower position in the infobox? I agree that there needs to be balance between including everything versus including nothing, but the list of former names is interesting and relevant because ASU has an unusually varied history. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Edit warring isn't cool but this information doesn't seem like it's essential for readers to have in the infobox as a brief summary of the most important information about this topic. It's perfectly appropriate to limit this information to the history section of the article which can be more comprehensive and place the old names in a historical context. ElKevbo (talk) 02:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Having seven or eight names (in this case, long names) adds too much clutter to the infobox and makes it looks like a mess. Listing former names isn't needed in the infobox and can be included in the history section. In this article, the former names are bolded and easily stand out to the readers. Corky  02:31, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I feel that providing useful information (included in recommended template) is more important than avoiding visual clutter. You could move it to the bottom of the infobox if you want. Or, if all the information is in the history section, perhaps the entry for former_names could be reduced to "See History section." Would one of those two solutions meet consensus? HouseOfChange (talk) 03:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I would favor "See History section" (linked to the section) over listing out the names and years. Corky  03:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with Corky. I don't think a long list of prior names is what the readers need in the info box. With all the names listed it does look cluttered. Per H:IB: Long bodies of text belong in the article body. There's also a problem here of the university attempting to own the article and "approving" changes. I'm also puzzled that the current name is listed as a former name. 11:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC) Gab4gab (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)'
 * Thanks to all for your interest in the updates we are making to the ASU Wikipedia page. The listing of "Former names" cannot be moved around in the right-side box, as we initially looked to change its order when we added/updated it as per the UCLA Wikipedia site; it popped back up to its current location. I do realize the chronology of ASU names does appear lower on the Wiki page, but I see the same on other university Wiki sites, including UCLA's. We are currently working on updating academic affiliations, rankings, new facilities, faculty and enrollment counts, collegiate championships won, university history and more, much more to bring it up to date and current and to align with other Wiki sites we have targeted as exemplary. Attributions will be sited. I note this because you will soon see much activity on the ASU Wiki page and I'm hopeful that, with the proper citations, etc., we won't have to go back and forth on the reasons for accurate and complete updates. Thanks again for your time and this discussion! Targeese149.169.80.249 (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I note that you refer to updates that "we" are making. Is your username being used by a group of people or represent an organization? Wikipedia usernames are to be used only by a single individual. Gab4gab (talk) 17:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free to make all the changes you can. Have a good read of WP:UNIGUIDE. Lorstaking (talk) 18:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Lede length
I've added a tag about the lede being too long, since this seems like the easiest way to tackle some deeper issues. The article included a lot of promotional details, WP:PEACOCK words, and oddly placed trivia which makes it appear too promotional. The most obvious example is the lede, which is disproportionately longer than necessary to summarize the body, and includes a lot of flattering tidbits, such as awards won by former faculty and so on. The recent expansion of the lede is not the only problem, however, since some of the details in the previous version also seem out of place and too promotional. As an example, the meaning of "New American University" is not obvious or explained, and it sure reads more like a press release than a helpful description. Grayfell (talk) 22:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Lead is indeed large now and includes material that is WP:UNDUE. I will fix it once the presently active editor is done of making his edits. Lorstaking (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Lorstaking, thanks for your input, as I am new to the Wiki editing process, despite my 40-plus years as a marketing communications professional. I will review the lead section of the Arizona State University for the issues you and Grayfell have noted. Once I have completed my review and subsequent edits, who removes the box at the top of the site that reads "This article's lead section may be too long for the length of the article." Will I be notified? It is not my intent to pad, only to update facts and correct current inaccuracies. I will be working on other sections of the ASU site in the coming weeks and, possibly, months, so welcome whatever guidance you or Grayfell can share. Thanks, TrophyTroutTrophyTrout (talk) 20:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Multiple items added by same new account
Under "Controversies," someone added material about Lawrence Krauss. AFAIK, the allegations against Krauss were controversial but the university's handling of the allegations was not controversial. Similarly, material about Crow's salary and some issues about parking were added in a fairly POV manner. Some or all of these might belong in the article, but it seems better to discuss them separately rather than adding all in a lump. HouseOfChange (talk) 12:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Edits
Hello, I am the person who made the edits you are raising the question about. Rather than undoing all of the changes because you feel the edits were added in a "POV" manner, why not call them out one by one and refute them with sources. After all, that is the purpose of a controversy section. See Revert only when necessary and "Furthermore, your bias should be toward keeping the entire edit. " ArizonaCitizen02 (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The purpose of a controversy section is not to have one; WP:CRITS. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 23:57, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've removed some of the controversies for clear WP:OR and WP:BLP issues, and more attention to all the recently added content is suggested. Per, there is a general POV concern raised here. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 00:14, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

"Lead too long" on article since September
As per MOS:LEAD I am going to try to create a shorter lead that "gives the basics in a nutshell." I have looked at articles for Harvard, Stanford, etc. for guidance. If you want to add back some of what is now gone, please consider moving it to the appropriate section within the article. I am going to list here the references I removed to make it easier for someone who wants to readd them elsewhere in the article. I did already re-add the Slate article to the history section. HouseOfChange (talk) 01:52, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * who discussed this issue, above. Sorry I did not simply add my comments to their talk section. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * At a quick glance, this appears to be a huge improvement. Thank you very much for doing this. Grayfell (talk) 04:21, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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ASU in popular culture
I don't agree with 's idea that we should devote a section to people with no apparent expertise who say ASU has "incredibly low standards." If we wanted to have a section about ASU's 88% acceptance rate, that could be interesting. People make many jokes about ASU--do we want to devote some space to them? Also pinging about the proposed addition. HouseOfChange (talk) 19:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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Fact Check Requested
Founded in 1885 as the article declares, but by a territorial legis; then clearly it was not a State neither could have been declared Arizona State University. Iamfeature (talk) 11:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Misc
Current state of the university seems rather subjective, not objective.

Moved from the main article: Note: If you are familiar with the history of Sun Devil baseball, it would be much appreciated if you would write a detailed historical summary similar to football and baseball. --ABQCat 04:55, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Philosophy Department
This Department is ranked 47th in the country. Source: Philosophical Gourmet Report. This is the most reputable ranking.

ASASU
The Associated Students of Arizona State University was deleted in an AFD Articles for deletion/Associated Students of Arizona State University, so I moved the information here: Arizona State University.

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Video of student confrontation
The 2021 incident got a lot of press, and is still in the new, as the NY Times just had a story about it. I suggest adding it to the Controversies section. Roger (talk) 23:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal for Updates to Admissions Section
Hi all, I’m an employee at Arizona State who was looking at this page and noticed that there are a lot of basic facts which are out of date or could use some better sources. I know I can’t make direct updates myself because I’m an employee and that’d be an issue with the Wikipedia conflict of interest rules, so I was wondering if someone would be willing to look at these suggestions? Thanks in advance for your time.

I. Academics section, Admissions subsection

A. ✅ The current version lacks accurate overall admissions totals for the university system. I therefore propose adding a new first paragraph to the subsection to provide these basic numbers.


 * Here’s my suggestion for the first sentence of that new paragraph:

As of August 2022, ASU had a systemwide enrolled student population (both in-person and online) of 140,759, a 4% increase over the systemwide total in 2021.


 * And here’s the second sentence in the new paragraph:

Out of that total, approximately 79,000 students were enrolled in-person at one of the ASU campuses, an increase of 3.2% from 2021.


 * Finally, here’s the third sentence:

Just over 61,000 students were enrolled in ASU Online courses and programs as of August 2022, an increase of roughly 7% in online student enrollment from the previous year.

B. ✅ The first paragraph in the current Admissions subsection of the article (which begins with “For fall 2017, ASU admitted 82% of all freshman applicants…”) is out of date by more than five years. The source in the second sentence is a dead link, I replaced it with the most recent Common Data Set information (which is the standard citation for university Wikipedia pages).

Here’s the suggested replacement:

According to the U.S. News & World Report, for the 2022-2023 academic year ASU admitted 88% of all freshman applicants and classified the school’s admissions in the “selective” category. The average high school GPA of incoming first-year students for the 2022-23 academic year was 3.54.

C. The existing Fall Freshman Statistics table provides information about incoming first-year statistics between Fall 2013 and Fall 2017. From 2013-14 through 2019-20 the ASU data provided to the Common Data Set (CDS) was | exclusive to the Tempe campus rather than systemwide, so this table needs to be updated to include the last five years from that period (Fall 2015-Fall 2019).

D. As noted above, beginning in Fall 2020 the CDS dataset for ASU began to be collected systemwide rather than just for the Tempe flagship campus. For this reason, I propose that a second First-Year Statistics table be added below the existing one which is discussed above in Part C of this proposal. This would allow the admissions data for the university to remain current up through the latest available CDS data for Fall 2021. This is admittedly not the most elegant solution, but since the CDS dataset parameters changed between Fall 2019 and Fall 2020, it would at least prevent those incomparable data from appearing in the same table.

E. In June 2022, Arizona State University was classified by the U.S. Department of Education as a Hispanic-Serving Institution – a designation given to universities in which at least 25% of the undergraduate students enrolled are of Hispanic background. This is an important development in the history of ASU’s Admissions, as the article from the Arizona Republic cited below explains. Because of the significance of this event, it makes sense to add the following sentence as a new paragraph at the end of the Admissions section:

In June 2022, Arizona State University was designated a Hispanic-serving institution (HSI) by the United States Department of Education in recognition of the fact that for the first time in the school’s history, during the Fall Semester of 2021 Hispanic students comprised over 25% of the university’s total undergraduate enrollment.

Thank you again for considering these ideas to improve this article! Parker480 (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC) Parker480 (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 12:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)