Talk:Arjen Robben

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Reina's tackle on Ediur (Can't spell his last name) was not violent. He in-fact made contact with the ball. It may have warranted for a yellow at the most but no a red card. Number 8 00:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's debatable. It was a tackle from behind, which have been outlawed, and he took Eidur's legs in a scissors action. Reina was in trouble for that regardless. SteveO 01:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

This article referenced by The Guardian
Well, sort of:


 * According to Wikipedia, Arjen Robben is an accomplished scuba diver, a model-submarine enthusiast and the owner of a pet parrot named Greg Louganis - diving-related trivia that would be much more amusing if we hadn't just added them to his profile ourselves in a bid to pad out this paragraph. And while this information will probably have been edited out by some anti-Fiver Chelsea-supporting conspiracy theorist by the time you get around to checking it and adding more of your own, one thing that isn't going to disappear as quickly is the stench of hypocrisy currently emanating from Stamford Bridge.

(Disclaimer: I do not, nor have I ever, supported Chelsea, except when they play Man United. — sjorford++ 14:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

do you watch football mate reinas tackle coulda been a red on its own from behind reckless and a lundge he hit robben in the face it was a red card offence if it wasnt the fa would have ricinded the card and he didnt get it ricinded so there you go!


 * I suppose The Guardian were unlucky to get information from this page when it was vandalised. Though it's hard to understand how the heck this article got such heavy vandalism on 6 July last year (what the hell?), fortunately an admin decided on semiprotection at the end of that day. Anyway,I'm active now and I'm taking care of this article, whoever wants to harm the page, I'LL MAKE THEM PAY. (DAMN YOU, VANDALS) S. Miyano 16:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Height there is now way in hell that arjen robben is 6ft!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.191.224.106 (talk) 13:44, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The height is definitely wrong. He is not 6'. Look at the picture of him standing next to van persie, that would. Make van Perdue 7' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.7.208 (talk) 10:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Height - there is now way in hell that arjen robben is 6ft!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.191.224.106 (talk) 13:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

This article is very well written, with some sourcing flaws that I think can be easily corrected (which means I'm putting it on GA Hold for now). First, some of the links in the references seem broken - specifically, refs 4 and 5 take me to the wrong places on Chelsea FC's site, apparently. Ref 9 needs a visible name of the source. Second, there are many paragraphs that have no citations. In an article of this size, one should cite at least each paragraph with the sources used for that paragraph.

Aside from that, I have some suggestions for improvement not necessary for GA but perhaps helpful to take the article to the next level:


 * Some possible Wikilinks (jargon and otherwise): "Netherlands", "Holland", "Dutch Talent of the Year", "English Premier League", "front three", "withdrawn forward", "target man", "cross", "equaliser", "chess", "challenge".
 * I've further wikilinked some of the phrases, not all of them so as not to overlink the article.Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "FC Groningen" seems to be punctuated differently in a couple of places.
 * I think it's fixed now .Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * 'out and out', 'violent behaviour', 'deserved an Oscar' - use double quotes.
 * Done. Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "Dutch winger has had limited chances to shine in a new look Chelsea squad", "This has often seen Robben on the bench and given little time to make an impression." - seems non-NPOV, reword or attribute as opinion?
 * Reworded. Please tell me if you still think it's POV though Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * First mention of "Man of the match" - capitalize "match".
 * Done. Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

- Merzbow 06:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * refs #4,5,9 and the broken links to chelsea website are fixed. I've also added a few more sources for some paragraphs. Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Getting close. However, still some issues:


 * I noticed you added a "Quotes" section, which is now deprecated here: WP:LAYOUT. Could you remove it per the guideline? (Sorry).
 * "After the absence of Joe Cole due to knee injury,[1] Robben was then recognised as an important player for Chelsea in the injury-enforced with his ability to bring the ball down the flanks at speed essential in a team not especially endowed with great dribblers." - Do you have a source for the opinions expressed in this sentence? Also, I don't understand what "in the injury-enforced means", can you clarify the sentence?
 * "Robben's skill in ball control and technical footwork made him a valuable player, and he was quickly signed by local club F.C. Groningen." - could use source
 * "The rest of his season with PSV was disappointing. He injured his hamstring twice and missed several games. At the end of the 2003-04 season, Robben tallied 23 appearances and 6 goals." - also needs source
 * All ref tags should start directly after punctuation per MoS, and there shouldn't be any spaces between the punctuation and the tag. There are a few refs that violate this.
 * "In addition to being a talented football player, Robben is quite adept at chess." - source?
 * - Merzbow 03:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "Quotes" section and the sentence "In addition to being a talented football player, Robben is quite adept at chess." removed (I couldn't find RS). Sources added for the others. As for the "injury-enforced" phrase, it's my mistake when I edited this sentence at some point earlier. It is now fixed, so are the  tags. Arfan 04:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: might it be useful to provide references for the part which says he was shortlisted for so and so award and given so and so award (in the 2004-05 section)? Chensiyuan 05:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added sources for the "player of the month" award and the short list for "PFA Young player of the year". Thank you for your advice and your kind help with the article, Chen Siyuan! Arfan 06:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the changes (I made a couple of very minor improvements myself). There are still two or three sentences and at least one paragraph that don't have trailing references, but since it's non-controversial material and the vast majority of the article is now referenced properly I'll pass GA. Congrats. - Merzbow 06:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great. Thank you very much for giving me guidance on how to improve the article, and for passing it! =) Arfan 06:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Speculation
Is it right that an encyclopedia, as wikipedia is, should have speculation from newspapers sources such as the Daily Mail and the Sun? Robben's supposed move to Real Madrid hasn't happened yet, so I don't think its really worthy of getting in the article. Any objections in getting it deleted? --alexdeangelis86 23:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * None from me, Wikipedia is not the place for media speculation. In any case, the current paragraph completely contradicts itself, suggesting that he is both on his way to Madrid and staying at Chelsea. SteveO 14:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I've heard a few different pronunciations of his name. Can an authority on this subject add either a phonetic equivalent or the IPA equivalent to the lead paragraph? Thanks. VincentValentine29 (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Being Dutch, I can try to explain it. The R is a throated rolling R as in [ˌrɔtərˈdɑm] (Rotterdam). BBE as in BElfast. And then an N. It's actually not that hard ;). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Looskuh (talk • contribs) 10:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Selfish
He is famous for being selfish on the pitch. Google search with term "robben selfish" will answer all 83.100.155.229 (talk) 08:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

That's merely an opinion not a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulkroosh (talk • contribs) 12:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

then why not say He has been often criticised for being selfish on the pitch or something like that. We have to include as much as we can in a player's article, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.168.194.59 (talk) 16:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Things like this would probably need to be included in "playing style" and need more than one reliable source Spiderone (talk) 16:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

New Picture
Shouldn't this picture be changed, since Robben now plays for Real Madrid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.188.105.227 (talk) 16:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, the picture is meant to show the person in question in general so it dosent need to be changed everytime a soccer/football player changes club --> Halmstad, Talk:Halmstad 18:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok but what is the point of an outdated picture when there are thousands others? Anyway he looks very different now, and it is logical to keep this page up to date, including recent pictures not ones taken 5 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.188.105.227 (talk) 20:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason is that we only use free images, not copyrighted ones with all rights reserved. It's hard to find Creative Commons images for players most of the time. JACO  PLANE  &bull; 2008-06-25 12:52

Not only selfish but famous for falling over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.254.98 (talk) 10:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

bayern
stop the bayern-munich-shit. he is no player of bayern munich (yet). if he is feel free to update. reference: http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/de/aktuell/news/2009/20539.php Teh luke (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC) addition: http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/news/news/2009/20542.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.15.144.193 (talk) 20:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Now he is player of Bayern Munich http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/news/news/2009/20559.php --Yoda1893 (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

dont know how to edit this properly but it says he scored 50 goals for groningen when he blatently didnt, maybe it means he played 50 games in al competitions i dont know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.63.122 (talk) 12:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism at Fifa 2010 worldcup
Arjen Robben played the whole 120 minutes of Holland's (or the 'Netherland's' if you're pretentious or Brian Glanville or both) 1-0 World Cup Final defeat to Spain. He missed a glorious chance just after the hour mark when one-one-one with Iker Casillas. Just as Robben was about to shoot, the light from the floodlights reflected onto his bald head, then bounced onto the ball, and then bounced back into his eyes thereby blinding him momentarily, which in turn caused him to hit the ball against Casillas's trailing leg.

This is just plain ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BinzerFulgrim (talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Looking rather older than he is
Would it be unencyclopedic to point out that whenever Robben is mentioned in a light hearted context, there's always a mention of the fact that he looks like he's closer to 50 than 27? I'm sure I can find quite a few sources which do this, though not necessarily sources which say that this is done (if that makes sense).86.148.214.242 (talk) 20:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks a lot more like 47 or even 57 than 27. However he is a famous and rich football player, so has has something going for him.

Aston villa?
Since when he plays for Aston Villa? NEVER! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.86.246.158 (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This was a vandal edit and has been corrected. --Jaellee (talk) 12:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Typo
I can not edit the article, but the word "substititue" doesn't exist. --Lord Bumbury (talk) 08:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Some updates
This article needs update. He is making headlines all around today for scoring the winning goal to help Bayern Munich becoming the champion of Europe! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.254.22.46 (talk) 21:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 May 2013
Style of play ... The majority if his goals follow this pattern.

Replace: if -> of

JuergenWeigert (talk) 22:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

✅ --Jaellee (talk) 22:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

I think this article misses the essence of Robben
As so often on Wikipedia, it's an endless summary of incidents and statistics that lets the reader clueless about context. The reader has to plow through endless facts before the essence of this player slowly emerges.

In Robben's case. This means that when soccer lovers talk about Robben, it means that he is an extraordinary player who never really won it big. It took years and years of endless, painful losses against Spain, Chelsea and so forth before he finally won something that matches the level he plays on. I think Wikipedia shouldn't be afraid to quote analysis more often. Robben's 2-1 goal in the Champions League Final was one of personal triumph, final vindication and a life fulfillment. Both this goal as well as his painful losses are quickly glanced over in this article. Even though Robben himself said that the 'toe of Cassillas' was something that has haunted him for years. --Looskuh (talk) 10:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, the source you provided could not be found. Also, that discussion would probably be best suited for the body of the article rather than the lede. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between improving a text, and simply removing any alterations. If you have wanted to be helpful, one simple phrase in Google would have found an English version of the exact same video, instead of just throwing it away. But alas, I've now added a source of Robben himself basically stating my addition. Saying this 'discussion' is something for the body and not for the lede, is glancing over the fact that even Mr Robben himself has thusfar DEFINED his career in this way. That makes it perfectly suitable for the start of explaining who he is. Looskuh (talk) 18:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Recent addition of medals
It's not normal to list club results in the medals table. Shall we keep it? Walter Görlitz (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not a WP:FOOTY member, but my opinion is that if country results are listed, we can certainly list the club ones as well. Even if both were not listed previously, this is still useful information to me. However, I don't think the club runner-up results need listing. starship  .paint   ~ regal  12:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I leave it up to you to decide whether to keep it or not. The only thing I'd like to say is that Schweinsteiger's Wiki-page brought me to the idea of adding those club-medals (including cup runner-ups). Many Wikis of German footballers have club-medals included in their medals table. See: Franz Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller, Thomas Müller, Miroslav Klose, Philipp Lahm, Manuel Neuer, Toni Kroos, Mats Hummels, Jérôme Boateng etc. etc.J187B (talk) 13:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Robben alleged 37 km/h
I just would like to point out something. According to many sources, including the one that Wikipedia uses, Arjen Robben ran at 37 km/h against Spain in the last FIFA WC, but I'm pretty sure that these claims were dismissed t.

By looking at FIFA  team Tracking statistics report :

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/37/03/94/eng_03_0613_esp-ned_ned_teamstatistics.pdf

He reached a top speed of 31.03 km/h during this particular match, not 37 as reported.

Now here is news report from last World Cup which seems to confirm that :http://www.goal.com/en/news/3790/world-cup-2014/2014/06/28/4921571/robben-i-knew-i-wasnt-as-fast-as-usain-bolt. FIFA actually tracked various players stats during last World Cup http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/players/distance.html

Then sort the player by top speed by clicking on "Top speed" in the right.

You 'll see that the fastest players was a Costa Rican named Junior Diaz and on his Wikipedia intro, you can read that :"At a top speed of 33.8 kph, he was deemed by FIFA as the fastest player of the 2014 FIFA World Cup." And in Robben wikipedia's intro : "Robben's top running speed with the ball was clocked at 37 km/h (23 mph), making him the fastest footballer recorded during a World Cup event."

This seems to be confusing because Robben top running speed, from the link used in his bio was during the 2014 WC (notwithstanding the fact that when he ran down Sergio Ramos, he didn't have the ball on his feet).

According to FIFA, Robben top speed during last World Cup was 32.2 km/h, a speed that he reached against Brazil.

Another point is that you'll see that there is very little difference between the fastest (33.8 km/h) and the 10th fastest (32.9 km/h), which looks credible. Robben, is undoubtedly fast, but alleged 37 km/h makes him totally out of range.

All the outlets that claims this are secondary sources. I am just pointing this out because this article is being reviewed for the "Good article section"

JustMy2cents (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)JustMy2cents

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2015
The total games played and goals scored data is outdated.

Check "careers" on this http://int.soccerway.com/players/arjen-robben/32/

Games Played (Goals Scored) for Bayern Munich. 239(94)

Also for the Dutch NT..

Chinmayzen (talk) 03:51, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * X mark.svg Not done The statistics on Soccerway match exactly the ones in the article. It is not clear what exactly you want to have updated. --Jaellee (talk) 09:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2015
spelling mistakes

M.Saim Naveed (talk) 04:25, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 05:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2015
change date of birth from 1984 to 1986 and age from 31 to 29

M.Saim Naveed (talk) 04:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. per already cited source http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=184616/, was born in 1984. Do you have a better source than FIFA? Cannolis (talk) 05:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2015
In the section Arjen_Robben, please change "Eindhoven" to "PSV" or "PSV Eindhoven". PSV is part of the club's name (e.g. their website is http://www.psv.nl/), whereas just "Eindhoven" generally refers to FC Eindhoven, a separate club. 82.139.84.113 (talk) 12:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

✅ - we'll see if that upsets anyone :) - Arjayay (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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