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Image-heavy?
You say this is image-heavy, but I think rather the contrary. Compare Seattle, or even Grand Forks, North Dakota, also featured articles. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 15:59, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Seattle and Grand Forks have layout problems caused by squeezing too many images into tight spaces and thereby creating text sandwiches. Please see MOS:IM for the relevant guidelines. Finetooth (talk) 21:19, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As Finetooth says, there's some layout issues, but I also think a small gallery of NRHP buildings isn't necessary when the section already links to their respective articles. The only images I think this article need are from outlying suburban neighborhoods (which I plan to drive around and get) that better reflect the character of the city.  Sounder Bruce  01:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Standard for US Places is to Have Estimates in Historical Populations Tables
This is not up for discussion for this single article, as it's a Wikipedia-wide standard. We can move the discussion to the US places project, but I doubt anyone wants to rewrite their bot just to delete it, so upon no complaints, I'll change it back again. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 01:21, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The standard only exists for articles that have not undergone a more rigorous peer review, like the FA process, which this article has. Thus it should not be subject to the same "standard" (which is not documented anywhere) and should defer instead to the very fresh review. Please stop edit warring over this, it's pointless.  Sounder Bruce  01:25, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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Origin of "Arlington"?
According to the article, "The new town was named "Arlington" after Lord Henry Arlington, member of the cabinet of King Charles II of England."

Any idea why it would be named for a 17th-century English personage than, say, for another American Arlington such as Arlington, Massachusetts, or Arlington, Virginia, as are most other American Arlingtons? —  AjaxSmack 16:51, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a conflicting account that claims this Arlington was named for the Arlington House, but it's not from a reliable source like Meany's article. Considering that the name was decided by the railroad and its executives, anything goes.  Sounder Bruce  23:57, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Sources for my claims that were deleted
Text that was deleted:

''Prior to American settlement in the 19th century, the Puget Sound region was primarily inhabited by many indigenous Coast Salish peoples. The Stillaguamish, a Lushootseed-speaking people, had prominent villages along the two forks of the Stillaguamish River where they followed fish runs, with other tribes in the area, such as the Skagit, Snohomish, Sauk-Suiattle, and Swinomish, using the area for fishing, hunting, and gathering. The name for this area is stiqayuʔ, meaning "wolf," on account of a story that there was a large wolf living on a hill south of the modern settlement. The Stillaguamish had a village located at Arlington, which was called Skabalko (Lushootseed: sq̓ʷuʔalqʷuʔ), owing its name to the confluence of the rivers. It was located on the north bank of the Stillaguamish River, at the joining of its two forks, where a farm now stands. In the village, there were two large winter longhouses, and at least 200-300 people lived there. The neighborhood of Kent Prairie, known in Lushootseed as xʷbaqʷab, was once a flourishing prairie where the women of the tribe would collect berries, grasses, roots, and other materials.''

Passages and my sources for them:

1) Prior to American settlement in the 19th century, the Puget Sound region was primarily inhabited by many indigenous Coast Salish peoples.

- General knowledge, posited by this article and other articles already

2)The Stillaguamish, a Lushootseed-speaking people, had prominent villages along the two forks of the Stillaguamish River

'''- Hollenbeck, Jan L.; Moss, Madonna (1987). A Cultural Resource Overview: Prehistory, Ethnography and History: Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. United States Forest Service.'''

- "At the time of the Treaty, it was understood that the Stillaguamish Tribe occupied the territory of the 'Stoluckwamish River' from its headwaters to its mouth." (151)

- "In some of the early documentation, a Stillaguamish subgroup is identified for the South fork of the River. ... The name is dropped from the records sometime around 1858, and subsequent references simply refer to the Stillaguamish Indians". (151).

- "The Stillaguamish Tribe identified their territory as inclusive of the North and South Forks and their respective tributaries, and the mainstem of the river" (151)

3) where they followed fish runs

- Already in the article

4) with other tribes in the area, such as the Skagit, Snohomish, Sauk-Suiattle, and Swinomish, using the area for fishing, hunting, and gathering.

'''- Hollenbeck, Jan L.; Moss, Madonna (1987). A Cultural Resource Overview: Prehistory, Ethnography and History: Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. United States Forest Service.'''

- "This area was used in common with neighboring tribes, including the Sauk and the Snohomish, with whom the Stillaguamish had many familial ties."

- "...was apparently used by people affiliated with several villages of the surrounding area, including the Lower Skagit, the Kikiallus, the Snohomish, Snoqualmie, and Stillaguamish" (Kikiallus were a Swinomish band)

- Nels Bruseth's book Indian Stories and Legends of the Stillaguamish, Sauks, and Allied Tribes.

- "''From Toll Dachib to Skabalko, the junction of the rivers at Arlington, were several temporary camps. Skabalko was known far and wide. Sauks traveling to the Sound and back, Snohobish coming down the South fork, parties coming up river to dig .               for roots, spaykoolitz and leek at Ba-quab (Kent's Prairie) nearly always stopped there and camped. At Bah-quab lived an old man and woman about 50 years ago." (Skabalko)''

5) The name for this area is stiqayuʔ, meaning "wolf,"

- https://www.heraldnet.com/news/arlington-formally-recognizes-homeland-of-stillaguamish-people/ 

- "Before it was Arlington, the land was known as stiqa’yuʔ, Haller or “wolf” by the Stillaguamish people." (Tracy Boser, Cultural Resources Dept.)

6) on account of a story that there was a large wolf living on a hill south of the modern settlement.

'- Nels Bruseth's book Indian Stories and Legends of the Stillaguamish, Sauks, and Allied Tribes. Written in conjunction with Stillaguamish tribal members and then-chief James Dorsey and James Price.'

''- "Some say that Wolf once used to live on the hill between Skabalko and Bah-quab." (No page number since I don't have a physical copy on me at the moment but it is in the story Sti-Kieo and Skobie)''

7) The Stillaguamish had a village located at Arlington, which was called Skabalko

- Already in article

'''- Hollenbeck, Jan L.; Moss, Madonna (1987). A Cultural Resource Overview: Prehistory, Ethnography and History: Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. United States Forest Service.'''

- "Skabalko. Two large houses at a village near the present site of Arlington (Kent Prairie), occupied by “several hundred (200-300) people. There was also a cemetery at this village (Bruseth n.d.:11). (T31N R5E Sec.2)"

8) (Lushootseed: sq̓ʷuʔalqʷuʔ), owing its name to the confluence of the rivers.

- Tracy Boser, Stillaguamish Cultural Resources Dept.

- "Skabalco was the place of a permanent Stillaguamish village. It is where the north and south forks of the river come together. Many from other villages traveling up and down the Stillaguamish River would stop at sq'ʷu'ʔalqʷuʔ to visit and to trade          .               goods. The spelling I have for it is sq'ʷu'ʔalqʷuʔ which translates to confluence."

9) It was located on the north bank of the Stillaguamish River, at the joining of its two forks, where a farm now stands. In the village, there were two large winter longhouses, and at least 200-300 people lived there.

'- Hollenbeck, Jan L.; Moss, Madonna (1987). A Cultural Resource Overview: Prehistory, Ethnography and History: Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. United States Forest Service.'

- "Skabalko. Two large houses at a village near the present site of Arlington (Kent Prairie), occupied by “several hundred (200-300) people. There was also a cemetery at this village (Bruseth n.d.:11). (T31N R5E Sec.2)"

- https://www.heraldnet.com/news/arlington-formally-recognizes-homeland-of-stillaguamish-people/ 

- "Today, the ancestral village is farmland and home to baseball and soccer fields."

10) The neighborhood of Kent Prairie, known in Lushootseed as xʷbaqʷab, was once a flourishing prairie where the women of the tribe would collect berries, grasses, roots, and other materials.

'''- Hollenbeck, Jan L.; Moss, Madonna (1987). A Cultural Resource Overview: Prehistory, Ethnography and History: Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest. United States Forest Service.'''

- "There was also [a summer camp] near Kent Prairie, in the vicinity of Arlington, a site well known as a place to gather roots and berries." (151)

- Nels Bruseth's book Indian Stories and Legends of the Stillaguamish, Sauks, and Allied Tribes.

- "Some say that Wolf once used to live on the hill between Skabalko and Bah-quab."

- "''From Toll Dachib to Skabalko, the junction of the rivers at Arlington, were several temporary camps. Skabalko was known far and wide. Sauks traveling to the Sound and back, Snohobish coming down the South fork, parties coming up river to dig .               for roots, spaykoolitz and leek at Ba-quab (Kent's Prairie) nearly always stopped there and camped. At Bah-quab lived an old man and woman about 50 years ago." (Skabalko)'' PersusjCP (talk) 04:25, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "General knowledge" is not appropriate for any article, let alone a WP:FA. Sources here have to be high quality to adhere with the WP:FACR, so Bruseth's book cannot be used, and others need to be vetted for their accuracy and reliability. Any and all additions must come with a proper inline source as well, which is the main reason why I've had to revert the last two attempts. Let me comb through this first and add back what is usable.  Sounder Bruce  05:41, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It was already used in the article, so it should be deleted from the original too then. PersusjCP (talk) 05:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added back the place names, but much of the other content is unusable and not suitable for this article. Retelling a legend and mentioning "flourishing prairie" are both not appropriate for an entry focused on the modern city; those belong in the Stillaguamish people article, which is sore need of development.  Sounder Bruce  05:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * t̕igʷicid. I've been meaning to write up some things for that Stillaguamish article and the others related to it. Anyways, I have a few notes on what I think could be improved.
 * The Sauk had no camp at Arlington, no source I can find mentioned this. The territory of the Sauk-Suiattle was on the Sauk and Suiattle rivers, out past Darrington. Nor was there a settlement at the prairie, as far as I know. There was a temporary campsite (basically a few mats) there. The cemetary was at the main village of sq̓ʷuʔalqʷuʔ.
 * stiqa'yuʔ is not a word, the correct spelling is stiqayuʔ. The dictionary confirms this under s√tiqayu. The reason why it was spelled like that is because often á (a') is added to the syllable with stress to help with pronunciation.
 * The specific area of the settlement was called sq̓ʷuʔalqʷuʔ/Skabalko, with the general area surrounding the city of Arlington called stiqayuʔ. The ethnography says this in the entry for Skabalko.
 * Usage of the word camp is disingenuous, since they were permanent structures and permanent settlements. There were many camps that were used for hunting, like near Oso, but the settlement near Arlington was a village with two houses. I think the population is fine to include too since both of those measures
 * PersusjCP (talk) 06:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Some notes on Precontact Habitation
1. The Sauk had no camp at Arlington, no source I can find mentioned this. The territory of the Sauk-Suiattle was on the Sauk and Suiattle rivers, out past Darrington. The Sauk and many other tribes would likely visit the village during migratory seasons, but there were no other permanent settlements of other tribes.

2. The prairies was a gathering ground, not a settlement, according to the Stillaguamish About Us page.

3. The village was at Skabalko, according to every source. Stiqiyu is what the area around Arlington was called, according to Tracy Boser, who is the Stillaguamish Cultural Resource Specialist. This is from this Herald Article.

PersusjCP (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, I think the Trafton sentence should be removed since it isn't relevant to Arlington. That information should just be added to the page for Trafton. PersusjCP (talk) 22:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)