Talk:Armageddon (2008)

Spoilers should not be posted
WrestleView, has been considered merely reliable, it should not be used to source spoilers because of this. See the FAC's of LockDown (2008) and Armageddon (2006). Also, these matches are just used by WWE to promote the event to gain more ticket sales, the subject can change, We are not a crystal ball, WV should not be used to source spoilers or rumors.-- S R X  22:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

i am going to agree on this..spoilers are just a way to sell tickets..and may not even be true, all i know, wikipedia isn't the place for spoilers, its just for the event.Ruthless-paki (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, per WP:SPOILER it can be added with a reliable source, but WrestleView.com cannot be used to source this type of information per the FAC of Lockdown (2008).-- S R X  23:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The only problem with WrestleView in Lockdown was ONE user was not sure of it being a reliable source. Though I believe 3 FAs were passed with that source. Sourcing a small thing like promotion isn't going to kill the article now. We aren't trying to get it to FA or GA now. This can be let go.-- Will C  23:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you not understand that WrestleView.com is reliable for results only not other information per Ealdgyth, spoilers are an example.-- S R X  23:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The source is a relay from PWinsider. Surely a very well known publication as PWqinsider is fine source.-- Will C  00:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * PWInsider is one of the most distrusted websites today.-- S R X  00:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is that you ' re opinion? D.M.N. (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Matches
I know you guys were talking about spoilers, but the HSBC Arena in Buffalo, NY is advertising the following matches for the December WWE Armageddon PPV:

Chris Jericho vs. Batista vs. John Cena for the World Title Triple H vs. Vladimir Kozlov for the WWE Title -- Harvey "Two-Face" Dent  (Muhaha!!) 12:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Well considering Edge is now the WWE champion i think we can rule out the Kozlov-Triple H world title match, while those matches were advertised, plans always change so don't add any new matches until they are announced on television. TheJay Experience 09:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Edge vs Triple H vs Hardy
The match has been announced so it's safe to be added.72.50.61.43 (talk) 17:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually this match has not been annouced, it may end up that way but there was actual contender named on Smackdown (Loosie (talk) 13:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC))

It has now been announced on wwe.com 27 mins ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.209.106 (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, and now it on the page and sourced (Loosie (talk) 18:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC))

WWE championship match announced
Today on wwe.com, it was announced that Edge would defend against Jeff and HHH.
 * Yes. It was added to the article already.-- Tru Co 19:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Background
In the background section of this article, and other recent ppvs, it says "see also: proffessional wrestling". I think that this is a bit ridiculous to be honest as it implies that all of professional wrestling is a background to this event. Literally everybody who goes on this page will be aware how pro wrestling works whether they're a fan or not. You wouldn't have "see also: American Football" on the superbowl page, or "see also: rock music" on the page of an album, so why is it here?
 * Why do you believe only someone who already knows about pro-wrestling would view this article? Secondly, no, not everyone is aware of how pro-wrestling works. Some of the "smartest" fans will tell you it's legitimate, and many will tell you it's fake with no true understanding of how an event is put together. The link is there because it's important to the background of the article.  Hazardous Matt   14:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Who believes it is legitimate?King garthur (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Non-wrestling fans, see SummerSlam (2003), The Great American Bash (2005), December to Dismember (2006), and No Way Out (2004), which are Identified as Wikipedia's best work (Featured Articles).--SRX 00:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But that simply isn't true. I apprecate that those are good articles, and I believe that pro wrestling PPV articles are generally very good, I think that this is a rather bizarre practice. Everyone knows the scripted nature of pro wrestling, and just by reading the article you could establish that even if somehow that had escaped you. It's peculiar, there are scores of people unfamiliar with the rules of american football, but I wouldn't find an article on the superbowl saying "See american football" in the description of the play off brackets, which is essentially the same thing.King garthur (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Its there because of the intro paragraph saying "This event will featured pro...etc."--SRX 01:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, but why is that there? Again, it seems to be dumbing down the article significantly. The December to Dismember article does not have this section, and as far as I can remember this is the only one that has actually been the main page featured article. If the level of traffic it would have got from that could read it and understand it, surely it proves putting absolute base knowledge such as this is unecessary.King garthur (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it passed before the OOU policy was enforced. See WP:PW/PPVG.--SRX 11:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, but it has since been kept as a FA after a review. Perhaps my problem is with the actual guidlines. I reluctantly accept that it may be of some value to have the wrestlers real nmes on there, but I think it looks like a bit of a mess. However, the pro wrestling matches are scripted... paragraph is unecessary. Consider something like a soap opera or TV show where events happen in universe. You might see the actors names on these pages, but you wouldn't have a sentence such as "the plot panned out in the manner that had been written earlier by the writers of the show". I hope I'm not coming across as being pedantic or difficult, because I don't mean to, but I am having difficulty understanding why pro wrestling articles are the only ones were something as specific as a PPV would suggest that you read the most general article on the topic.King garthur (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All I have to say is that if you had a problem you should have came to WT:PW to discuss it like everyone else did, now the consensus is final because it was recently formed. You can still go to WT:PW to discuss it but it will most likely be of no use.--SRX 00:53, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "The consensus is final"... It isn't a consensus if everyone's opinion isn't heard, but to be honest, I haven't been editing wikipedia very heavily recently, and so even if I was aware of this discussion, I probably wouldn't have been involved. I appreciate that this consensus has been reached, and I appreciate that it shouldn't be changed based upon my opinion, but I think you've misunderstood. I'm not asking for it to be changed, I'd simply like to know why this consensus was reached.King garthur (talk) 02:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was decided as a result of the project trying to get more Featuredd Articles and to comply with WP:IN-U and WP:PLOT.-- Will C  02:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand, I just think it seems a bit dumbed down, but I get the logic.King garthur (talk) 09:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not like it at first, but you learn to get use to it after a while. I've got to the point that I can't imagine the articles not being Out of Universe.-- Will C  10:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Names
Does all pay per view pages have to have the wrestlers real name after it parentheses? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.24.0.249 (talk) 07:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:PW/PPVG--SRX 11:58, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Should have a little bit of continuity to it though, i.e. Either David Bautista or Dave Bautista, Christopher Irvine or Chris Irvine, Phillip Brooks or Phil Brooks, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.56.12.153 (talk) 03:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Matt Hardy vs. Vladimir Koslov
was confirmed in the ECW Spoilers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.141.187.18 (talk • contribs)
 * No reliable source, doesn't go in article. Period.  TJ   Spyke   00:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

SEMI-PROTECTION!
needed! S imon K  S   K    01:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Avoid caps, its considered shouting. I will request it if these IP's continue to vandalize.--SRX 01:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Then again, it was protected already.--SRX 01:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Juliancolton did it for me (per IRC request).  aye matthew  ✡ 01:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Caps lock sorry.  S imon K  S   <font color="ForestGreen">K    01:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  01:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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