Talk:Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia

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Agh! I have screwed up the bolding in this article. Allow me to reflect upon my misdeeds and try to fix it tomorrow. -Paul in Saudi


 * This article doesn't really explain why Iran is such a threat to Saudi Arabia. Maybe it should be better explained? FvNK 23:01, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)


 * This article has way too much opinion and needs help. JD79 02:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Does it really need a disputed NPOV tag? The way I see it, it only states facts, IMHO. -- Eagleamn 02:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)


 * isn't it illegal to talk about secret military equipment ? hehehe

"With the collapse of the Iraqi Ba'athist regime in mid-2003, the greatest conventional threat to the Saudi Kingdom was eliminated. The military situation became both less threatening and more complex."

Was this ever REALLY the case. The war happened. But from my understanding Iran has ALWAYS been considered SA's #1 threat. While SA did have a good amount of surveillence equipment on the ground to monitor the iraqi border, they have always had much more in terms to monitor Iran. I think that sentace needs to be removed or down played.

"Despite its at times anti-Western rhetoric," ... wth?? Maybe if we are reffering to the times of King Faisal. But from the gov't what "anti western" rhetoric? Dude this IS A MILITARY article. Not an op ed piece. It should focus on who they traditonaly got there weapons from, history of the creation of the saudi military. Jnusaira 18:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)jnusaira


 * Iran does not have direct, contiguous land borders with Saudi Arabia. Therefore they could not use their ground forces, which are the strongest part of their military, in a direct invasion of the Kingdom.  The military threat they pose is mostly naval and aerial, and in those respects the Saudis are strong enough to fight them back.
 * That wasn't the case with Iraq, which had both a long land border with the Kingdom and a military more powerful than anything south of the border. (This remained true even after their defeat in the Gulf War and the Saudi military buildup afterwards - American forces, not Saudi, are the ones who guaranteed the nation's security throughout the nineties).  So in military terms, Iraq did pose a greater threat to Saudi Arabia than did Iran.
 * I don't think the article really needs to explain why Iran is such a threat to Saudi Arabia, though - on the one hand because that would be better suited to a "Foreign relations of Saudi Arabia" article, on the other hand because it's pretty glaringly obvious. They're the two largest rivals in the region, with more bad blood between them than anyone could measure.  They both compete for leadership of the Islamic world, both on theological (Sunni versus Shi'a) and political ("traditional" monarchy versus revolutionary regime) grounds.  Past confrontations; Saudi Arabia supported Iraq when it invaded Iran during the early eighties, while Iran has supported revolutionary factions (like Saudi Hezbollah) in Saudi Arabia and its neighbors for decades.  Islamists backed by Khomeini shot up Mecca during the eighties, and the Saudis have responded by harrassing Iranian and other Shi'a pilgrims ever since.  Saudi and Iranian fighters have engaged over the Gulf at least once before.  They competed for the loyalties of Afghan guerrillas during the 1980s Soviet invasion.  They're funding opposing sides of the Iraqi and Palestinian civil wars...  Now that Saddam is out of power, I think it's fair to say that the Iranian regime is the greatest foreign threat to Saudi Arabia. 213.181.226.21 (talk) 14:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Al Mujahidoon
can any one but tha Reference that says that Al Mujahidoon is one of the Military branches of Ministry of InteriorArabian soul 06:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This is not a militiant or a terrorist group, its a special Border Guard force named Al Mujahidoon.   A M M A R   06:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Can Women be Clerks or volunteers?
I like to knew if they do and if they allowed them to do so.Thanks.


 * No. However, they may work as medics only in military hospitals. (More like regular doctors and nurses since they are not trained by the military AFAIK) - Eagleamn 01:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In Ministry of Interior forces only, Such as Airport police of Secret service.   A M M A R   06:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
Ive added an infobox based on the infobox on the Military of Hungary page with the info for the Saudi military. --84.68.189.48 17:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Air Defence !
air defence force DOES belong to the Defence Ministry of Saudi, someone has deleted this fact with a random step Ammar 20:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The lede says that there are 16,000 in air defence. But the article on the air defence force says 40,000!119.224.100.246 (talk) 02:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Recruiting
Does anyone know how they recruit or what the demographics of their army is ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.88.45 (talk) 17:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * According to CIA Fact Book, Armed forces personels are males Saudi national , But i believe the RSAF are using American trainers .   A M M A R   21:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Military situation
The military situation section looks like it was written by a nationalistic school kid.

"The most important threats now are from tribesmen in Yemen who cross the frontier at will (as they have for centuries) and whose presence threatens Saudi territorial integrity"...I mean that is just funny. And "(as they have for centuries)" when Saudi Arabia is less than a century old!!

The article needs a decent rewrite.--Xevorim (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Re-write Feb 2011
I've completely re-written this article, which was in extremely poor shape. Comments please. DeCausa (talk) 13:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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Kuwait war
Saudi involvement in the war over Kuwait was not limited to "Saudi pilots flew more than 7,000 sorties and Saudi troops took part in the battles around the Saudi town of Raʾs al-Khafji". There were other air and land operations.119.224.100.246 (talk) 02:46, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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Supreme Commander
It is clear, that there is a confusion between the position of Minister of Defense, the position of Supreme Commander, and Commander-in-Chief. The position of the Supreme Commander should be used to refer to Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, who is King Salman. The position of Minister of Defence should refer to prince Mohammad bin Salman. Finally, the position of the Commander-in-Chief has to be removed as it contradicts the position of the Supreme Commander and should be replaced by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is currently General Fayyadh Al Ruwaili. عمر خالد 8888 (talk) 13:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Numbers
The Wikipedia article on the army says there are 175,000 active personnel. This says 75,000. The two articles ought to be consistent.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Total Personnel Active in the Saudi Armed Forces
This article says the Saudi Armed Forces consists of 257,000 active duty personnel. However, when you then check the articles for all the various branches of the Saudi Armed forces, they add up to only 126,000 or so active troops. 75,000 for the Army. 20,000 in the Air Force. 13,500 in the Navy. 16,000 in the Air Defense forces. And 2,500 in the Strategic Missile Forces.

So which articles are wrong? Could you please double-check the sources, make sure they are current, and perhaps provide a second source for the force strengths for each of these articles (this one and the articles for the various Branches)? It should be readily available information. An editor of an encyclopedia would normally check things of that nature, I assume, to make sure there weren't any inconsistencies in the facts being presented by the encyclopedia. I hope this helps start the process in getting it all sorted out. Thank you. 174.126.177.92 (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

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