Talk:Armenikend

22:02 7 January 2011 version is really written in "mediocre" English but this is not enough to remove it to show incorrect information and misinform people. There is no chauvinistic content in it. Reasons to remove version 18:29 7 January 2011 are folow: 1) --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia--- this information is incorrect. Czarist Russia has Caucasian Tatars in South Caucasus, but name Azerbaijan was called in 1918 independence (after collapse of Czarist Russia). 2) After the violent seven-day Pogrom of Armenians in Baku--- Armenian community of Azerbaijan fled the country --- this information is incorrect too. It can insult many Armenian people lived in Baku in past, because almost all Armenians remained in Baku in 13 January of 1990 died of massacre, they couldn't fled the country. ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

This article consists of facts only, and everything can be easyly proved.
 * As mentioned in the revert summary, this is not an Armenian forum website. The article is about a region of Baku which was unofficially called Armenikend. Moreover, it was never part of the Old City. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 19:49, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

That's right, Baku_Old_City binding to the image is removed. But any groundless revert of the right version will automatically add new Links and new facts to this "POV". ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

ATTENTION: words --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia --- is a deliberate misinformation it need to be removed. ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I disappointed with the policy of reverting veracious editions on WIKIPEDIA and helping to some users who neglicting historical facts. [Following edition] is remaining as a single true version of this article which is spoiled with help of the people who threating with blocking those users who telles no lie. Current version giving wrong picture on this issue. Its [true edition] was forcibly [falsified] and definitely so will be in future. ASALA7.08.1982 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The History section relies solely on Armenian-tied Sumgait.info website and presently uses POV language. Needs some cleanup. Twilight chill  t   13:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The added text seems to have been fueled by personal vendetta. Looks like, when emotional, the editor ASALA makes the text bold where he wants to highlight specific lines and links other lines to nationalistic websites. Last I heard, this was an encyclopedia, not a nationalist forum. Reverting. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 16:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Repeated undiscussed name moves for articles is against Wikipedia rules. After your first name-change was reverted, any subsequent changes to this article are automatically considered to be potentually controversial, so there is a requirement that they must be proposed and discussed. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 19:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There seem to be four main varients to the name: Armenikent, Ermenikent, Armenikend, Ermenikend. In a Google search (with -Wikipedia) and excluding sited Google says are duplipcates, "Armenikent" gets 11 hits, one in English, "Ermenikent" gets 5 hits, one in English, "Armenikend" gets 62 hits (but a number are from a message board user named Armenikend) with at least 5 articles in English and a fair number of photos of the actual district and that are called Armenikend, "Ermenikend" gets 20 hits, of which 2 are articles in English. Based on that, Armenikend seems to be the most suitable name. For example, here is a completely neutral and specialist source on Soviet architecture that uses "Armenikend" http://www.metropolismag.com/story/20070620/radical-moment Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The word Armenikend derives from Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd which they called the quarter of Baku where many Armenians lived. If you search Ermənikənd you will get 559 hits. It's not like an official name of the settlement. It's what the locals called it due to big number of Armenians living at a specific region of Baku. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 20:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Several problems with your analysis. Firslty, this is the English-language Wikipedia, not the Azeri Wikipedia. So the article will never be called Ermənikənd. If a common usage exists in English-language sources then that name should be used, I have given an example of such a source, and Armenikend has the most English-language sources. Secondly, the alphabet you use to spell "Ermənikənd" did not even exist when the district was inhabited by the Armenians that gave it its name. As you yourself say, the district no longer exists as such, so there has never been a district named "Ermənikənd". Thirdly, in Baku in the Soviet period it was the Russian language and alphabet that had the most importance amongst its inhabitants: that will be the source of the "Armenikend" varient of the name. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW, am I right in saying that the formal name of the district was the "17th district of Baku"? (I came across that name in one of the sources I found in my Google search, but I have now lost the source.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribblescribblescribble (talk • contribs) 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Meowy, where do you see me requesting a change of name to Ermənikənd. I said the current transliteration Ermenikend derives from the Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd. The alphabet did exist even before that, the Cyrillic was forced onto Azerbaijan during the subsequent period. But the alphabet has nothing to do with what the arear was unofficially called among the locals. It was called in Azerbaijani and the Azerbaijani alphabet transliterates the name as Ermenikend. And no, Armenians never gave it the name Armenkend. If it were up to them, they would have called it "Armeniberd" or something. Ermenikend (Armenian village, village populated by Armenians, etc) is the name given by the Azerbaijani locals. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 20:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I don't know about "17th district". You'd have to ask someone who lives in Baku. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 20:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you cannot be civil, I will not discuss things with you. Your sock-puppet insinuation is both uncivil and off-topic. There seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Unless you can disprove that, then that is it, end of discussion. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 20:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We both know who Meowy is :) Anyway, I told you already, the name derives from the Azerbaijani word Ermənikənd, originating from Azerbaijanis unofficially calling the part of the city on the basis of ethnic minority. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 21:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's naming conventions has told you that when a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it . And (as I've told you already) there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Where do you see me disputing an English name should be used? Ermenikend is the English transliteration and name of what was originally called by the locals. Armenikend derives from what Armenians choose to call it. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 21:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with alleged transliteration issues. I'll repeat, in bold this time, Wikipedia's naming conventions tells us that when a widely accepted English name exists for a place, we should use it and there seem to be more specialist English-language sources that use Armenikent than Ermenikent. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Who says then exist?! For God's sakes, read and analize what you intend to write first. The source you provided is based on transliteration from Russian. The word Armenikend was not just invented out of nowhere. It was transliterated from Russian. Russians call it Armenikent, when the original word is Ermenikend deriving from the Azerbaijani word. Do you comprehend? Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 23:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think eyewitness of events in Baku, are nationalists. But facts showing that this people on the contrary received the mass beatings to death exactly by nationalists, mostly form nearest Azerbaijani districts. Sumgait.info, as you see, is not a single reference to the stuff. It will be some other links though. Armenikend is a single acceptable name for this article first of all because vast majority of townsfolk of Baku before 1990 called this district exactly as ARMENIKEND. I've noticed also some users tryed to impose opinion as if Czarist Russia has Azerbaijan or Azerbaijani people in south Caucase. It is nonsence. Before 1918 this was people known to the world as CAUCASIAN TATARS. Later they adopted name of province in north Iran as own style of naming oneself. Connoisseur of Truth 23:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASALA7.08.1982 (talk • contribs)

[|This version] is based on very dubious POV. Let's see them seriatim:
 * Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia - must to be paraphrased as Caucasian Tatars lived in Czarist Russia, Azerbaijan was a name of a Persia's province only in Czarist Russia's period.
 * Eramnikend - this name used only 36% of Baku's population, for majority of Baku during existence of this informal name, the district was known as Armenikend.
 * Armenian community of Baku fled the country - this interpretation makes wrong picture on events entailed for disappearance of this informal name. 178.78.132.18 (talk) 17:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Dear HJ Mitchell. It is needless to promote to anti-armenian deletionists. 178.78.142.155 (talk) 11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia must be reliable source of information. Mr HJ Mitchell it's second time you used your resources to help spreading LIE of azeri users that continuously neglict 3 points mentioned above. This is a INTENTIONAL OUT TO TWIST PEOPLE about 1990th events in Baku. This users systematicly neglicting any requests to show thir arguments in this talk page. Your actions are result of your preconception to Armenians and probably nationalistic minds. I'm sorry, but you being conducive to DECREASE OF WIKIPEDIA'S LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE. People thinking they can reach any goals by stopping somebody's mouth are very naive. 46.241.144.195 (talk) 07:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC).

Dear Mr. Golbez probably words like "bestially killed" seemed you unfitting to wikipedia's articles. But this is exactly what happened in Baku at events of 1990. Calling it something else means to lie. Also your belief still not enough reason to revert this article to edits by user 81.213.222.51 wich based on poor POV (in other words - LIE). 46.241.157.79 (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Name
Here we go, in Google Books search there are
 * 132 reuslts for Armenikend
 * 4 reuslts for Ermenikend

So, after this you have questions about the name?? In English, the most common name is Armenikend (the Russian version) and not Ermenikend (Azeri version). --Yerevanci (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * First off, Google Books yields 80 results, not 4. Secondly, the name is given by the Azerbaijani Soviet authorities basing it on "Ermeni" - Armenian and "Kend" - village or quarter. So, I suggest you search with key words "Ermənikənd" in google as well. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 17:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No there are only 4 results, please search it this way: "Ermenikend" (in quotation marks) which shows only the results for the exact name. And the same for Armenikend. In English, the only acceptable name for the quarter is Armenikend.
 * Secondly, the name is given by the Azerbaijani Soviet authorities basing it on "Ermeni" - Armenian and "Kend" - village or quarter.  - Any sources?? I know what it means. But the English name is Armenikend. It was never an official name. It was just a name given by people to reffer to the quarter where many Armenians lived.--Yerevanci (talk) 03:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, the name was given by Azerbaijanis to the area where Armenians lived and yes the Azerbaijani name search yields more results than the one you propose. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 14:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Per WP:PLACE we have to search in English language sources. If you only search for English content Google gets 49 hits for Ermənikənd and 4110 hits for Armenikend. -- va c  io  22:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand, Vacio and somewhat agree, but the point is that Ermenikend is the transliteration of the name in English from Azerbaijani, i.e. the original name given by Azerbaijanis. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 23:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, not Azerbaijani.--Yerevanci (talk) 00:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, per WP:PLACE we should use a widely accepted English name before translating an official or original name. -- va c  io  09:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Vacio, ok, but it's not even a widely accepted place since it doesn't exist and never really existed officially. It was just a name for quarter among the folk. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 16:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it officially existed or not. The fact is that in English, widely used name was Armenikend and not Ermenikend. Please do not mix this 2 problems together.--Yerevanci (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Since Yerevanci has no justification and any credible arguement by changing Ermenikend into the false spelling of "Armenikend", it is simply a blatant vandalism of that user. The widely used name "Armenikend" is NOT the correct name in Azerbaijani. It is Ermenikend. This is the correct original name in that language and the other version, already stated, is a Russian corruption of the Azerbaijani name. The native names (and not corruptions in third languages) are used. If an English name does not exist for the original word (such as Ermenikend), than the original name is used, but NOT corruptions from third languages. And since this is the English language Wikipedia, the DIRECT English translation of the Azerbaijani name can be used. Saguamundi (talk) 02:15, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Any sources, that Emrenikend is the most commonly used English name?? If not, then you're wrong. I gave the Google Books search results, which obviously shows that in Enlish, Ermenikend isn't used as often as Armenikend. It is the corruption of Azeri name, but that's not the point. "Nagorno-Karabakh" is also a coruption, in this case the English corruption of the Russian name ("Nagorniy" means "Mountaionous" in Russian) altough it is sometimes translated into Mountainous Karabakh, it's not the most common name in English. There isn't any grammar or any other spelling issue in here, the problem is which name in English is more commonly used. That's all. --Yerevanci (talk) 06:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Armeni" is 1) more distorted version of original name and 2) means nothing in any languages (English, Armenian and Russian). I think best choice is "Ermenikend" satisfying at least the first principle. What about Nagorno Karabakh, it is based on neutrality principle: there are Azeri and Armenian versions of Nagorno Karabakh toponim (Daghlig Garabagh and Artsakh). Each side rejects to call opposite version of toponim and they agreed with pre-conflict and Russian spelling version. Current situation on the Ermenikend is completely different, because there is not Armenian (or other) version of this quarter`s name. (Asif Qasımov (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2012 (UTC))
 * For some lazy people, I will repeat again, in English language the word Ermenikend is not used, the only correct way in English in Armenikend, here are the results of both names in the Google Books search


 * 132 reuslts for Armenikend
 * 4 reuslts for Ermenikend
 * There is no such “correct version” in English for Ermenikend. One particular user still does not get it, even though it has been explained in full detail above. The name “Armenikend” is a corruption of the Azerbaijani name Ermenikend, and putting the corruption citing the number it appears is baseless. Since we are talking about the Azerbaijani name that was put to that quarter, no one can choose the corruption of the name Ermenikend to their liking as it is the case with one user. And it does not matter what the corruption in Russian is, because the district is in Azerbaijan, not in Russia or Armenia (or in Nagorno-Karabakh) and the name is not contested unlike the names of settlements in Nagorno-Karabakh due to the de-facto versus the de-jure situation there. The user cannot choose another version of the name to his liking and make unilateral changes. Saguamundi (talk) 10:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Question to Saguamundi: According to Wikipedia's, Article titles guidelines, it says "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. ", technically Armenikend is the right name because it has over 100 references in Google books while Ermenikend has about 2. So shouldn't we use Armenikend per the policies ? Nocturnal781 (talk) 11:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The issue here is the etymology of the name Ermenikend and its correct use.


 * Ermenikend has never had an English name. The Russian derived name of the Azeri name is not an English name, therefore it is wrong to claim it as an English name as well. Google search is not and cannot be the sole indicator of the use of a name. For etymological accuracy it is crucial to base it on the original name, and not on Google results and the derivations of the original name in other languages.


 * The nickname of the unofficial quarter Ermenikend was given by Azeris for that area during the Russian Tsarist era and was widely used and later adopted by the Russians who pronounced it Armenikend. Both Ermenikend and the Russian derived name are long forgotten and no longer in usage, because the quarter lost its ethnic Armenian character a long time ago, much earlier than the final exodus of the entire Armenian community of Baku and Azerbaijan in 1989-1990.


 * And unlike the place names in Nagorno-Karabakh, the names of Azeri towns and villages outside Nagorno-Karabakh under Armenian occupation and the original name Ermenikend are not in contention.


 * Vakaduka (talk) 14:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

New name
Ermenikend → Armenikend – per WP:COMMONNAME. --Yerevanci (talk) 23:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 132 reuslts for Armenikend
 * 4 reuslts for Ermenikend


 * It turns out the sole argument supporting "Armenikend" is Google search results. It could not be reliable argument like in following pattern: The capital city of Georgia is called sometimes as Tiflis and sometimes as Tbilisi in German language. Google search gives following result:
 * 1.5 millions results for Tiflis
 * 2.0 millions results for Tbilisi
 * BUT GERMAN WIKIPEDIA USES "TIFLIS" (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiflis). Enough repeating unreasonable argument! (Asif Qasımov (talk) 18:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC))


 * Enreasonable arguments?? Are you kidding me?? In Turkish, the name of Yerevan is Erivan, so?? We are talking about English usage of the district's name. I acknowledge that Ermenikend is the correct name, but it is not the most used name in English. There's nothing unreasonable here. --Yerevanci (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe WP:RfC can help? -- va c  io  20:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Merging
I believe this poorly written and uncensored article should be deleted, and whatever useful information there is to be merged into Armenians of Azerbaijan article. --George Spurlin (talk) 03:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This article does not have a source.--Baskervill 17:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baskervill (talk • contribs)


 * If you look at the above naming discussion there are few sources in the links provided that can be used. --George Spurlin (talk) 23:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It should be merged with Armenians in Baku. Parishan (talk) 09:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Merging does't mean deleting and redirecting, as you're used to do with AA2 articles. Gazifikator (talk) 20:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

The article provides inaccurate information. The Soviet development in the area was not called Armenikend, it was called Mamedyarov settlement. See: The people who lived there were of different ethnic origin, mostly workers of various industries. So there's no basis for the claim that there was a place called Armenikend with predominant Armenian population after the Russian revolution. Soviets did their best to dissolve ethnic ghettos and mix population in the city. Grand master  11:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * There are numerous English-language references to "Armenikend" (as all the previous discussions clearly show), and none for "Mamedyarov". as well as numerous references related to its specific Soviet-period architectural ensembles and Soviet-period ethnic makeup. This is also an oppose to any merge - numerous large and sprawling urban areas have articles about their individual districts. Meowy 12:21, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The quality of those English sources is not so good. Russian professional sources on architecture mention Mamedyarov settlement. Armenikend as an ethnic ghetto existed only in pre-revolutionary Russia. After that it dissolved, and was redeveloped by the Soveits under a different name. Grand  master  12:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Your OR doesn't know borders. Search at google books for 418 sources about the Armenikend (later also called Shahumian). Some are cited by me in the article, today I will readd some more professional sources on architecture special for you. Gazifikator (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, there was no settlement called Armenikend in Soviet times. The area was called Mamedyarov settlement. Google books is full with sources attesting to that. Grand  master  20:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You may continue to believe that there wasn't, I presented many reliable sources, that there was and is. Google books has 0 result on "Mamedyarov settlement", so please do not waste my time, make a serious research and then write here. This talk is to discuss seriously. Gazifikator (talk) 20:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I believe in sources. Like these:

Так, например, Арменикенд в Баку перестал быть специфически армянской частью города: новые дома в нем заселяются лицами разной национальности.

Юлиан Владимирович Бромлей, Институт этнографии имени Н.Н. Миклухо-Маклая. Современные этнические процессы в СССР. Наука, 1977

''Очень интересными и прогрессивным для того времени были предложения групны А. Иваницкого по застройке жилых кварталов Баку, а в районе Арменикенд (ныне поселок Мамедъярова) — целой групны кварталов.''

Рена Махмудовна Эфендизаде. Архитектура Советского Азербайджана. Стройиздат, 1986

Арменикенд (ныне посёлок им. Мамедьярова), являвшийся одним из первых районов массового жилого строительства в Советском Союзе.

Борис Владимирович Иогансон. Искусство стран и народов мира. Искусство стран и народов мира: краткая художественная энциклопедия: архитектура, живопись, скульптура, графика, декоративное искусство, Volume 1. Сов. энциклопедия, 1962

Grand master  20:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Another one:

''Район Арменикенда (ныне им. Мамедъярова) был привязан к существующей сети улиц Канни-тепе, а продолжение кварталов в северо-восточном направлении увязано с улицами Завокзалья, которые обрывались у железнодорожного полотна. Район Нагорного плато фактически решался самостоятельно, и в его планировке не была найдена достаточная связь с кварталами регулярного типа. Принятые за основу размеры кварталов новой планировки не только были крупнее кварталов старых частей города, но и оказались соответствующими требованиям градостроительных норм 1920-х годов.''

Шамиль Фатуллаев. Градостроительство Баку XIX - начала XX веков. Институт архитектуры и искусства Академии наук АзССР (ИАиИ), 1978

All these books are from Soviet times, and support what I wrote above. I don't think there was a mass hallucination and all those authors invented a name that did not exist. Note that they are specialist sources on architecture. Looking for English sources is pointless, I don't think there were any professional publications on the architecture of Baku outside of the USSR. Baku was not open to the world back then, and no one was interested in this topic. Now even the name Mamedyarov settlement dropped out of use, the area is being redeveloped again. The locations there are referred only by street names. Grand master  21:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Radical Moment" http://www.metropolismag.com/story/20070620/radical-moment "There is a lot of housing in places like the Armenikend district, but it’s now very tumble down." From an interview with the author of the book The Lost Vanguard: Russian Modernist Architecture 1922–1932. Meowy 22:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Armenikend was a name used colloquially to refer to the area, like people call Nizami street Torgovaya by its pre-revolutionary name. But as the sources above attest, the area lost its ethnic character during the Soviet times, and had a different official name. Grand  master  16:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over three weeks. Histmerges also performed, on both the article and the talk page. Jenks24 (talk) 13:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Ermanikand → Armenikend – WP:COMMONNAME. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)  Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC) Ե րևանցի  talk  01:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC) "Ermanikand" is the corrupt anglicized version of the Azeri name and is nowhere close to being a common name for the district.

A Google Books search reveals that "Armenikend" is far more common in English (103 results vs 9 for Ermanikand) -- Ե րևանցի talk  01:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge this article with Armenians of Baku
Propose merging this article with Armenians of Baku. The article is interwined with the former Armenian community of Baku and is not separate from it. Furthermore the false corrupted name change from Ermenikend into "Armenikend" is not the norm. Additionally the article is a WP:CONTENTFORK. Sanichtalk  15:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Neutral Ermenikend was built by the Soviets in the 1920s and was one of the multicultural facets of old Baku. Still, merging may be warranted due to WP:OVERLAP. Brandmeistertalk  15:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "the false corrupted name change is not the norm"? Above it is shown that it is the norm. DrKiernan (talk) 15:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree Ermenikend was very much symbiotic with the Baku Armenians and is inseparable from them. Plus a lot of detail is already present in the article Armenians of Baku and is overlapping, that is why this article should be transferred to the Armenians of Baku article, as a separate section in that article. However if it is not merged, than the article's name shoud be changed back to the correct and original Azerbaijani version of Ermenikend (Azerbaijani tranlation: "Armenian Town"); because both the corrupted mispronounced Russian version "Armenikend" and the dubious "English" version "Ermanikand" are errouneous. Crampus46 Talk  19:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC) This user is a confirmed sockmaster of Sanich. DrKiernan (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the English wikipedia. Per Article titles, the commonest name used in the English-language is favored. What the place is called in foreign languages is irrelevant. DrKiernan (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Support Yes it should be merged within the article of Armenians of Baku.
 * (There is no English version, corrupted or otherwise, for Ermenikend, unlike the Russified version. So it is very much relevant. If a name change occurs it has to be the orginal Azeri name of Ermenikend, not how it was pronounced and written in Russian.)


 * Vakaduka (talk) 20:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC) This user is a confirmed sockpuppet of Crampus46. DrKiernan (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)