Talk:Army National Guard

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Article Needs Work
Because the Air National Guard appears to have its own article, it seemed fit to create such an article for the Army National guard. However, I am unable to work on this article. Other user input for the article would be greatly appreciated. User:69.18.16.84 2006-05-25T04:18:22


 * Started a stub section to deal with the Army National Guard "transformation" that is a part of the overall US Army Transformation plan (divisions to brigades, etc.) We will need to expand the section to include specific plans for the ARNG.  I will plan to do a little searching to see what current status is, what units are making the transformation first, etc. Mvialt 14:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

ARNG/ARNGUS
A distinction needs to be made between the state ARNGs and the ARNGUS, and some other Title 32 things. I'll work on it when I have time. --VAcharon 17:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * User:CORNELIUSSEON and I created a page for state-level ARNG units. I have now rolled that basic format out to a little over one-quarter of all states.  See United States National Guard for a list of pages (sort of) showing status.  In general, I started at the front of the alphabet and am working through all states.  (Some states previously had state-level ARNG articles or redirects.)  Since the 'template' I am using keeps getting incrementally improved as I move through these, the next article I update (probably Kansas or Kentucky) will have the 'latest' format for my template.  If you want to help out, holler at me on my talk page.  Mvialt 15:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Source material for additions here
Look at this document: http://www.1800goguard.com/guides/pdf/part8.pdf The final four-five pages indicates the anticipated end state of the Guard on the national level, at the brigade level and above. I think that the material in it (open source--recruiting flyer from the U.S.G.) needs to be incorporated as well as the organizational structure it explains. I don't have time to do this now, but others may be able to. I already incorporated its elements into the 38th Infantry Division page, as you can see.Pharnabazus 16:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Transformation Section
Good work Pharnabzus on the Army National Guard section! You have added a lot of good information. Question: When I started this section stub, I created a Divisions subsection and a Brigades subsection. Now that the division section is being expanded to add a lot of brigade information under their respective division, I am wondering if we should continue to keep the separate brigades section also? I can argue the case both ways. If we add subordinate brigade info to the divisions, then some part of the information in the brigade list (ordered by type of brigade and increasing brigade number) becomes redundant. On the other hand, with the new 'transformed' Army, it is principally the brigades that will be called up and utilized organizationally in action, not the divisions. So that might argue for the Brigade organization being primary and the division list being much more abbreviated.

I'm sure there are other pros and cons. What is you opinion? Or anyone's opinion on how we should best organize the Transformation section before we continue to add information to it? Mvialt 19:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that we keep the divisions list with the attached brigades...but that we also identify the separate brigades, such as the support or aviation brigades, which are not assigned to the divisions. That is important, because the Army has already begun to use the divisions to command assemblies of brigades not organic to the unit. For example, the 42nd Infantry Division (NY NG) had a command role in Iraq in the past few years, with both active and NG brigades attached. Pharnabazus 03:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Pharnabazus. I'd list the new arrangement of five-or-so manoeuvre brigades per div under those divisions, with a qualifying note in the main article saying how it is quite likely that the divs will never deploy with all their assigned brigades. Then separate out the independent manoeuvre brigades from all the other separate brigades. My $0.02. Cheers Buckshot06 08:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * To put my professional hat on here, let me say that you are all on the right track, but there is still one thing you are forgetting. The basic structure of Guard units is not changing - they will be still structured to handle local and State problems - as well as handling their Federal Mission. That means that the maneuver Brigades will NOT leave the State just because their suboirdinate units do. Here is a good First Person example. My unit, the 719th Transportation Company of the NYARNG was one of four companies in the 369th Transportation Battalion. In World War II, when the battalion was the 369th Infantry Regiment, the Regiment was converted on 1941-01-13 to a Coast Artillery Regiment [The Regiment number was re-used for a National Army unit that was assigned to the 93rd Infantry Division. They have NO relationshipo with the original 369th, before or after the war.], inducted into Federal Service, and assigned to man Fort Ontario from 1941-01-15 until 1941-09-05. they then transitioned via Camp Edwards and Camp Stoneman, looking for a job to perform, when they were assigned to the Pacific Theater. They were moved to Hawaii in June of 1942. Upon arrival, the 369th CAR was broken up, and redesignated as follows: HHB was redesignated as HHB, 369th AAA Group; 1st Battalion was redesignated the 369th AAA Battalion (Gun); and the 2nd Battalion was redesignated as the 870th AAA Battalion (Auto Weapons). HHB, 369th AAA Group stayed in Hawaii, acted as a higher headquarters for other AAA units, and stayed where they were until 1944-12-11, when they were deactivated in place, and restored to State service. They provided AAA service at the various airbases around Hawaii. 369th AAA Bn (Gun) was retained in place until 1945, when they were forwarded to Okinawa, anbd arrived there on 1945-08-12. They remained there, transitioning to Occupation Duty at the end of the war, until they were rotated back to the Los Angeles Port of Embarkation on 1946-01-20. They were then moved to Camp Anza, California, wqhere they were deactivated on 1946-01-21, and returned to State Service. 870th AAA Bn (Auto Weapons) was deployed to Barbers Point, Hawaii on 1943-12-12, where they remained until they were forwarded to Okinawa, and arrived there on 1945-05-10, where their AAA guns were turned in and they re-trained as Infantry, retaking parts of Tokashiki Shima and where 1Lt. Robert Peagler earned the Distinguished Service Cross - transitioning to Occupation Duty at the end of the war. They returned to the San Francisco Port of Embarkation on 1946-01-13, and were deactivated at Fort Lawton, Washington on 1946-01-13 and returned to State Service.


 * The Regiment was reconstituted back in its home Armory in NYC as soon as the personnel could assemble there, and the unit was restored to its historical number as the 369th AAA Regiment, with the two Seperate Battalions assigned therein.


 * Several reorganizations later, the Regiment was reorganized as the 369th Transportation Battalion, with HHB reorganized as HHD; the 369th AAA Battalion reorganized as the 587th Transportation Compan (Terminal Service; the 870th reorganized as the 719th Transportation Company (Med Trk); and the remainder reorganized as the 1569th Transportation Compan (MT). The battalion did NOT leave the State again until Desert Storm, when we were the first Battalion to leave New York State. 719th Trans left first, being attached to the 301sr CSB under the 101st ABD; HHD and the 1569th left next, being attached to the 24th ID, with HHD 369th acting as a headquarters along the lines of the 301st, with the 1569th being the only unit from home serving as part of the 369th during the war. 5 other Companies from the Regular Army, the Army Reserve, and the National Guard were subordinated to the 369th. The Battalion that included the 719th Trans was one of three NG units, other units from the RA and AR included.


 * The 369th is today a Corps Support Battalion, including the HHD, the 719th Transportation Company; the 10th Transportation Detachment; and the 133rd Ordnance Company (Maint).


 * The point is that the Guard has always gone through reorganizations in order to remain relevant to the needs of the Army, and it has been very rare when we have gone out the door with our units intact - at least since World War II. That being true, I'd suggest concentrating on the individual basic units, and only focus on the higher headquarters should they ever go anywhere. - SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 04:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Training Requirements Oversight
Some mention of TRO relationships between the Separate Brigades and the Division HQs should be made.

For example, the 155th HBCT (MS), 256th IBCT (LA) and 45th IBCT (OK) as well as the TX Guard's organic combat brigades, 56th IBCT and 72nd IBCT. Also included are the support brigades that are often overlooked; 36th Combat Aviation Brigade (TX), 36th Combat Support Brigade (TX), 36th Sustainment Brigade (TX), 45th Fires Brigade (OK), 185th Combat Aviation Brigade (MS) and the 225th Engineer Brigade (LA). RTO Trainer 14:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Suggested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is clear consensus that no disambiguation is needed here.-- Staberinde (talk) 10:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Army National Guard → ? – The name should be either "Army National Guard of the United States" or "United States Army National Guard", let's discuss which is better. Funandtrvl (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Commons uses: Commons:Category:United States Army National Guard. --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose According to the official website it's called "Army National Guard". Without any evidence that disambiguation is needed, it shouldn't be moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:28, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * However, the article name is too "USA-centric" for Wikipedia. We can't assume that everyone reading it will know which country the Armed Forces division is from without reading further than the title. --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course its USA centric. The only entity called the "Army National Guard" is in the USA.  Readers might also not know which country the Royal Auxiliary Air Force, the National Security Guard, or the Special Forces Support Group are from but they can find out in the respective articles.  The title should be as succinct as possible as long as their is no ambiguity. —  AjaxSmack   22:11, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. There is no other article on an "Army National Guard" from which this needs to be disambiguated.  See Table of military reserve forces, Militias in Asia, Militias in Europe &c. to confirm.  —  AjaxSmack   22:11, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Support Nicaragua had an Army National Guard. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:34, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The very extensive National Guard (Nicaragua) article does not mention this. It uses the term "Ground Forces". —  AjaxSmack   04:12, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 *  Undecided  - of all the LatAm Guardia Nacionals was any ever called "Army National Guard"? While the article title invites examination to see if it is really unambiguous, and while National Guard is a disamb, "Army National Guard" does seem to be distinct to USA. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per AjaxSmack. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The Army National Guard of the United States receives personnel from the Army National Guard. Neovu79 (talk) 04:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The move would cause unnecessary disambiguation. There are not other articles in Wikipedia with "Army National Guard", so this move serves no purpose. Steel1943 (talk) 05:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Any confusion can be clarified with a hatnote. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 07:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If renamed it should be to Army National Guard (United States). The organization is called Army National Guard, but it might need to be disambiguated from similarly named organiazations.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This is its common name and should be located here acording to Wikipedia policy. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:30, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose not other "Army National Guard" exists.   Hot Stop     (Talk)   06:11, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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Good article nomination
I'm nominating the article on the Army National Guard as a good article. I did a lot of work to re-work and expand it several years ago, and it's remained relatively stable since then.

Billmckern (talk) 23:48, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Guard Units
I added all the higher command and units of the National Guard. However there are a few problems that I could not yet resolve:
 * 1) the National Guard activated a new Military Police Brigade this year, but I could not find it's number and location. Does anyone have that information?
 * 2) there should be 16 Maneuver Enhancement Brigades, but I found 17 that still seem to be active... so which one has been disbanded?
 * 3) there should 7 Engineer Brigades, but I found 8, which means one has been/will be disbanded; but which?

These are the only problems. All other units (Commands, Divisions, Brigades, Groups) of the National Guard are now listed. If anyone has information about the above mentioned problems, please fix them in the article. Thanks, noclador (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

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National Guard of the United States

 * The National Guard of the United States is a thing. It's a legal entity.  When members of the Air or Army National Guard enlist or receive commissions, they have dual state and federal obligations.  When National Guard units get federalized, it's as part of the National Guard of the United States, which means they're no longer subject to state control.


 * This isn't a naming convention question or an issue where consensus is required. The National Guard of the United States is the official name of an organization, in accordance with federal law.


 * Billmckern (talk) 10:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)