Talk:Arrow Cross

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The history/background bit is nonsensical and should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.66.169.75 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 13 February 2005


 * Here are some links for information about this common symbol:
 * 1) http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/09/097.html
 * 2) http://hist.academic.claremontmckenna.edu/jpetropoulos/arrow/arrowsymb.html
 * 3) http://www.taivaansusi.net/reich/eurooppa/maatjakansat.html
 * 4) http://www.freewebs.com/wallenberg_fraser/arrowcross.htm
 * 5) http://bankjegy.szabadsagharcos.org/xxcentury/p109.htm
 * 6) http://bankjegy.szabadsagharcos.org/xxcentury/p100.htm
 * 7) http://fmsa.dote.hu/hungary.html
 * 8) http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/062.shtml
 * &#8212; &copy;   Alex756 18:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

The use of a similar symbol by the Hungarian fascist Arrow Cross movement (which remains outlawed in Hungary as of 2006) and the American racist movement Crosstar is apparently coincidental (as the American group recognizes) even if there are similarities between the two movements. The American Crosstar group has no connections to Hungary; a merger of the articles is thus unwarranted despite similarities of ideology, particularly racism and antisemitism along with a contempt for democracy. If anything, the American Crosstar has more in common with the Ku Klux Klan than with any European fascism.--66.231.41.57 19:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I concur. These two articles should NOT be merged. They have little in common beyond having similar designs.--Thalia42 03:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as connections between the two symbols, Richard Barrett who runs the Crosstar group claims to have used the Arrowcross during the Vietnam War and says they adopted the symbol directly from the Hungarians because they saw it as an anti-communist symbol. But surely the articles should not be merged, since the Hungarian Arrow Cross is historically important, while Richard Barrett is just some farcical wannabe Führer with a practically non-existent white nationalist group. --67.149.150.252 (talk) 08:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

FALSE COLORS

The Hungarian nationalsocialist used only green Arrow-Cross, so they flags followed the Hungarian national colors (red-white-green). Please see it http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hungarista_Mozgalom_jelk%C3%A9pei, and copy here.

SOURCE

The seconds source claims false things. An early portrayal shows king St. László with that arrow cross. Except this, the cited site is likely to be strongly anti-Hungarian (suggesting that Hungarian tribes were only heroes in the eyes of fascists) [This unsigned assertion is not by the author of the next segment.]

What portrayal?

The early portrayal (a manuscript illumination) in the Hungarian wiki, which I've cited below ("history/background bit"), does not show anything like an arrow cross. GeorgeTSLC (talk) 21:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

About the proposed merge into arrow cross party

 * Strong Support This article is not about the cross perse but (except for a single line) only about its use by the Arrow Cross party. Arnoutf 16:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This cross has other uses besides that of the Arrow Cross Party. —Psychonaut 23:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Please develop these other uses, as it is now without the fascist use, only a one line stub remains Arnoutf 17:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The "Strong Support" above is no longer true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeTSLC (talk • contribs) 21:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Clarification?
To what extent is the ban upheld in Germany? For example, the Arrow Cross is a cursor in Windows XP when moving a dialog box after selecting the "move" command from the dropdown from a running task; does that mean that Windows XP is outlawed or at least censored in Germany? --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 10:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I would strongly doubt it (though there was a kerfuffle over the Diskeeper software made by a Scientologist-owned company). It's more of a Hungarian concern than a German concern, in any case... AnonMoos (talk) 13:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Classification
This article is indeed minor with respect to Christianity, so minor that I'm surprised it's even in the category.

But it is more significant with respect to its historical and heraldic coverage. GeorgeTSLC (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

"history/background bit"
I don't know about "nonsensical", but the assertion that the arrow-heads resemble fish hooks is silly. And even fish-spears (which they do look a bit like) are never to my knowledge associated with the fish/icthys symbol.

Anyway, the whole of the first two paragraph is totally unsourced. But it's stood there since the very first version. If nobody can support it before next week, I'm going to come back and delete it, then see what happens.

In particular, the assertion about St. Ladislaus is quite probably false. There is a great dearth of evidence. Image-Googling on "saint ladislaus cross" finds only this article and one 1930s propaganda poster. Image-Googling on "Szent-László kereszt" finds the flags in the Hungarian wiki article about the cross but no other arrow cross whatever.

Moreover, the illumination at http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C3%A1jl:Szent_L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_legenda_2.jpg&filetimestamp=20090402150206, illustrating that Hungarian article (http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hungarista_Mozgalom_jelk%C3%A9pei), shows what is clearly NOT an arrow cross on the saint's shield. GeorgeTSLC (talk) 21:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The may not look like fish-hooks to you, but "Cross Barby" or "Barbee" is something of a traditional term in English blazoning -- see the text of an 1894 book at http://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossc.htm, etc. AnonMoos (talk) 12:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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