Talk:Arsène Wenger

Letter to Lacey
Please include Wenger's (somewhat belated) personal letter of congratulations to the Donegal player Karl Lacey on his team's victory and his award. It's so exciting and demonstrates the growing interest among practitioners of both codes! 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.205.41 (talk • contribs)

Not done for now: - I think, as this is a good article, it would be best if there was consensus for this addition - hopefully some of the regular editors of this article can "weigh in". I took the liberty of formatting the code a bit to make it easier for an editor to add, if that's the consensus. Hope you don't mind. Thanks for providing the full reference code with your request - it's appreciated. Begoon &thinsp; talk 04:39, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Bradford game
I was a bit surprised to see my adding of the Bradford defeat to the managerial career section removed. Surely exiting a cup competition to a side three divisions below Arsenal is significant? Sparhelda 01:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It is, but only to an extent. Wenger's managerial section should not be a running commentary of games he has won or lost -- if it was like that, the topic would be brimful. The place for that is here or there. Unless the Bradford defeat coincides with Wenger resigning, then I suggest against adding it. A season summary should be dealt with once the season ends. Lemonade51 (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I take the point that you can't cluster up these pages by mentioning too many results. I felt it was worth a mention with it being Wenger's worst ever defeat in terms of the opposition being very lower league, but I won't be going into an edit war over it. :) Sparhelda 19:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Article changes
My reasons for reverting changes are simple: the additions do not add to the flow of the article. One section is comprehensive enough, another is a cut and paste job with a heading that does not construe with what it is saying. Just because I'm choosing to revert doesn't mean I own the article -- it's already a GA and it was pretty stable before, just from reading outside I don't think it adds anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballistically (talk • contribs) 06:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Using words like "I don't think" is a matter of your opinion. Use this page to form consensus, and more specifically, ask for someone from WP:WPF to come re-assess the the article. This page is a Good Article, former Featured Article candidate, and is about the manager of one of the largest football clubs in the UK. Possible progress toward Featured status must not be suppressed by one editor with one viewpoint. Form consensus, and edit from there. Do not do it the other way around. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding the "Influx of foreigners" section, it should not be just about the controversy over the all non-British starting eleven that Wenger fielded in a 2005 match, as this alone could stoke Anglophobia. Rather it should be about how Wenger was one of the first Premier League managers to place a big emphasis on foreigners (more so than Manchester United and Chelsea) during the late 1990s, thanks to an assist from Bergkamp, and that it paid off with 3 Premier League titles. Limefrost Spiral (talk) 16:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Have tidied up the prose and removed references which do not say the same thing as the Wikipedia entry. The RVP bit where he refused to sign a contract because of Fabregas/Nasri leaving is WP:OR -- no one knows that for sure and the ref you put was a news piece on Van Persie's transfer to United...which said NOTHING about him leaving because of Arsenal selling Fabregas, etc. Footballistically (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Satisfied with the current wording, no further objects.Limefrost Spiral (talk) 03:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 April 2013
Wenger trained Nagoya Grampus Eight from 9 Dec. 1994, not 1995 as listed in "team managed" in the textbox

83.109.0.87 (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source currently listed in the article text states January 1995.  — daranz [ t ] 20:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Definitive source for playing position?
Here's Arsene Wenger himself claiming he was a midfielder (when asked to compare Aaron Ramsey and Gareth Bale):

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-on-title-race-and-ramsey

--Mozart Face (talk) 19:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Trophy Drought
Should we include in the lede, after it says "football pundits have questioned his ambition to win trophies in recent years," that Arsenal has not won a trophy for 9 years under him as manager? I think it's important information, and also one of the most important criticisms of his career. Adamh4 (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

"this in spite of the club's trophy drought." should be removed as it is outdated. They have now one 3 trophies in the last 13 months. Adamh4's remarks are obviously also now outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.8 (talk) 15:55, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2014
Jamesjones2 (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2015
Faridjanipour (talk) 10:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

✅ - needs updating at ends of season - Arjayay (talk) 15:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2015
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Faridjanipour (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

✅ - Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2015
Ed woolArsenal (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done No request made. What changes do you want to be made and why? Please also provide source for any change. Qed237&#160;(talk) 23:58, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Preparation section mentioning creatine
Second paragraph: "Until 2004, he encouraged his players to take Creatine (sic) for increased stamina". Creatine should not be capitalised within a sentence. Even if the original link makes the error. It is a natural compound, not a brand or trademarked product.

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2018
ADD OBE to name as it is an award which is acknowledged in the body of the text but not in the infobox Thecurrentaffairswiz (talk) 17:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ See WP:POSTNOM. We only do it in the introduction. Stickee (talk) 04:37, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2018
It states that in the 2017-18 season that Arsenal failed to advance from their Champions League group. This is not correct; Arsenal did not participate in the 2017-18 Champions League because they did not qualify. They did, however, win their Europa League group. Mxrosenberg (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, it is not clear from the sources I have been able to find that "...failed to advance from their Champions League group..." and "...failed to qualify..." are actually different things. Sources appear to indicate that clubs qualify for the Champions League playoffs by advancing from their league group.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Arsenal did not even qualify to play in a Champions League Group. Have corrected by removing the sentence. Greenman (talk) 18:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , thank you for answering the question and for your assistance. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Le professeur - translation
After consulting with French speakers and careful research, I have fixed the oft-repeated and classic error of mistranslating the title professeur, in French, to the English professor. This is not the meaning of the French word as it is used in France and Francophone countries. Most professors in France have a different appellation, e.g. le professeur de chaire; l'enseignant universitaire; l'enseignant de faculté; which Larousse and every other credible French dictionary, confirms. Be clear, this correction is not any sort of disrespect; it merely truly represents the actual meaning of Mr Wenger's original French sobriquet, and understands the word professeur in the way he, as a Frenchman, would. Trevor H. (UK) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevor H. (talk • contribs) 01:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Wiki facts wrong again
After a period of nine years without a trophy, which coincided with the club relocating to the Emirates Stadium.

It was 9 year gap between trophies it’s 8 years 11 months get your facts right for once wiki Londonguy77777 (talk) 14:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Dein is never identified

 * David* Dein is never identified, neither by first name nor his position (which I believe was vice-chairman of Arsenal at the time of meeting?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.214.222.226 (talk) 17:35, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Arsene Wenger retirement
I have noticed that there are still sections on his page that still say he is the manager of arsenal, he has now retire. Under clubs it should say arsenal 1996-2018, and it should say he was the manager not is. Can this now be updated please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.240.35 (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * He leaves at the *end* of the season. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Plus always the chance he could change his mind and the board decides to keep him too.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 18:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

3.3.5
In section 3.3.5, final paragraph, it says "However, in the 2017–18 FA Cup, Arsenal lost to Nottingham Forest in the third round of the FA Cup". Please can we remove the second reference to the FA Cup in the same sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.190.93 (talk) 19:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Cite error
In the "Managerial statistics" section there is an invalid reference (currently 422). This is just an undefined ref name without any other details, see the cite error in referencs. it should be removed to resolve the cite error message. 92.5.2.97 (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Lead
On what should take precedence, Wenger managing the most PL games or being Arsenal's longest-serving manager and changing perceptions:


 * "He transformed more than just his club, though. Possibly more than any other manager in history, Wenger changed the nature of English soccer. Not just, as is always trotted out...", Rory Smith, New York Times
 * ""Arsene Who?" was putting Arsenal's foundations in place and blazing a trail for foreign managers ... Wenger will be remembered as the manager who opened the doors." BBC Sport,
 * "Kroenke praised Wenger's "exceptional record", adding that he "transformed the identity of our club and of English football with his vision for how the game can be played"," BBC Sport
 * "Wenger will retire three months short of his 69th birthday, in the process bringing to an end one of the great, transformative, utterly distinctive careers in British sport ... More than this Wenger has been both a reforming force in British football and a figure that reached out way beyond the remit of his sport. Those first few years in England are notorious to the point of cliche for the infectious cultural changes enacted around a grand old club that had fallen into a state of lager-stained despond by the middle of the 1990s," Barney Ronay, Guardian
 * "Few modern managers have had as profound an impact on one club as Wenger, whose long reign ultimately will be remembered more for the glorious history than underwhelming end", Amy Lawrence, Guardian,
 * "Wenger’s transformational work changed the team that attracted routine cries of “Boring, boring Arsenal” into the most watchable side in the country. More than that, he managed to assemble a group of players who did not just play with artistic merit but were also tough as teak," Daniel Taylor, Guardian

In other words, we shouldn't be drawing attention to managing X amount of games in the first para, when his legacy is far greater than that. As recognised by the journos. Lemonade51 (talk) 09:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2021
Under the "Approach and Philosophy" section under the "Preparation" title it says "Wenger lead training sessions", the word "lead" should be changed to "led" because the sentence is in the past tense. 82.132.232.224 (talk) 16:47, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ DigitalChutney (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Managerial stats
The stats for Arsenal are right but the ones for Nancy, Monaco and Nagoya are incorrect. For the French clubs the number of games listed is only the league games, without the French Cup and Europe. The source does include the correct totals but has the W/D/L as percentages for each season which I really cannot be bothered to work out. For Nagoya the figure is what the source says, but this seems to be missing the Emperor's Cup run from his first season and the Super Cup from his second season (so these would need separate sources if counted, which I think they should be). Unless I'm mistaken? Gran2 22:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)