Talk:Art Bridges Foundation

Nits
This is pretty good, but I have a few nits that you'll have trouble making changes in response to when it's in main space, so I'd like to list them here first, to give you a chance to respond to them, before I push it live. This below list is a work in progress as I read, will remove the Doing... template when done. --GRuban (talk) 19:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Name: Is the official name really "Art Bridges Foundation"? Can you confirm with a source? Just from skimming, I can't see any sources that call it that, just "Art Bridges.
 * Alice Walton announced Art Bridges Foundation in 2017, based in Bentonville, Arkansas, sourced to https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2022/oct/06/art-bridges-a-nonprofit-funded-by-alice-walton/ . - I don't actually see either of those in the source there. "Bentonville" isn't in the article at all, and it's a 2022 article, so I don't see it was announced in 2017. I see "The Art Bridges team began forming in 2017" but that's not really the same thing - sometimes people get hired for project A, then switched to project B later... - certainly no "announced" that I can see.
 * I'd combine the next three paragraphs, they basically say the same thing, explaining that Art Bridges lends art to smaller museums, and helps other museums lend. Perhaps that could be two paragraphs for those two things, but as is, there is a lot of redundancy. As part of that, I'd remove the word "also" from first sentence, third paragraph, "Art Bridges also lends art from its own collection, and partners"
 * "Art Bridges' collection comprised of approximately 40 pieces. " Dude, ya' gonna get User:Giraffedata mad at ya! See his user page I just linked and/or the many links on Comprised of.
 * After you remove those FORBIDDEN WORDS shorten "of approximately 40 pieces. Some of these works included" to "approximately 40 pieces including"
 * "As of 2021, the foundation has " - make that "had", this is noticeably later than 2021 now.
 * The very next sentence "In 2022, there were nine reported museums designated as borrowers" seems to fit very well with that previous one - reparagraph? Then the details about works lent could be a paragraph on its own.
 * Could you include an archive-url for the Inside Philanthropy sources ? https://web.archive.org/web/20230213085921/https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2022/7/26/ingredients-in-living-a-fulfilling-life-how-alice-waltons-philanthropy-is-evolving-and-expanding for example, probably similar for the other ones
 * I'm not sure what rule you use to distinguish between the information you put in "Information and history" and "Activities". Both seem to include much the same information.
 * In 2021, the foundation began the pilot phase of its Collection Loan Partnership. By September of that year, museums began to receive works to display from Art Bridges - I don't get this. What was Art Bridges doing from 2017-2021 that was different from what it was doing after 2021?
 * "Partnering institutions" - seems to be a list of museums without distinguishing between lenders and recipients. At least do that. Is this also a complete list? If not, do we really need it?
 * Grants and Programs first paragraph - a bit verbose here, and that makes it confusing. Did the $2.4M go to Detroit and Boston? Or also Philly? Does "a network" mean just those two? Those three?
 * Second paragraph, similarly could use a bit of shortening.
 * "auxiliary programs such as education surrounding the exhibits or projects that include the community" - what does that mean? If you combine it with the next sentence, both will become clearer.
 * The Art Bridges Cohort Program issued a $2 million grant for three southern museums - other sections began with the date, this paragraph ends with the dates. Any reason why? I'd gotten so used to seeing the date first, that I was confused here. Again, these 3 sentences could be 2.
 * OK, done. More than a few nits, actually. But nothing you can't handle! Ping me when you've got all that, and Godspeed, my good Kt! --GRuban (talk) 20:05, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually a bit more - can you check that your sources in the References section link the articles on the sources? For example, Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Inside Philanthropy, The Daily Utah Chronicle (that one you left as part of the article title, needs fixing) ... we have articles on most of your sources, links are good to help the reader evaluate the sources. --GRuban (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the extensive feedback GRuban! I will incorporate this into the draft and ping you when it's ready for review again. I appreciate your willingness to make this article better for everyone. Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 18:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, GRuban. I have gone through this and I think you will find the updated draft in much better shape. Unless it is specifically called out below, your suggestions were fully implemented and your questions were fully addressed. Here are a few notes and answers to your questions:
 * Yes, the official name is Art Bridges Foundation. Please see this source from Inside Philanthropy, "In May, her Art Bridges Foundation announced…"
 * Eh. The very place that article says "Art Bridges Foundation" is a link to another article from Inside Philanthropy calling it "Art Bridges"! If you are dead set on it, I won't keep contesting the point, but can you add that citation at first mention? And do use archive-url, please. https://web.archive.org/web/20210401041050/https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2020/8/12/as-museums-try-to-hang-on-alice-waltons-foundation-backs-smaller-struggling-institutions --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * For the 2017 announcement, I updated the draft to use this source from 2017. The source is paywalled, so I've included a quote from the article here: "Alice Walton, daughter of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. founder Sam M. Walton and the founder of Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art in Bentonville, announced Wednesday the formation of a new nonprofit foundation called Art Bridges."
 * Citation after the period, not before, and Archive-url, please. https://web.archive.org/web/20170913204456/https://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/118711/alice-walton-announces-new-art-bridges-foundation --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * To answer your question about "Information and history" and "Activities", I understand that these seem similar. To me, activities is a section that can grow as the foundation continues to develop and this would house more specific and niche accomplishments. Whereas History will remain general and overarching.
 * Eh. "Foundation overview and history" seems to list very specific things - names of museums, names of paintings - so I still don't get the distinction. But this is not a blocker. --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand the confusion about the Collection Loan Partnership, as a lot of the work Art Bridges does is similar. The foundation has its own collection and from the inception of the foundation, these pieces were lended by Art Bridges. Collection Loan Partnership introduced the new facet of "lenders" which meant that other museums and foundations could also lend out their collections to museums. Before, it was only Art Bridges. I have removed the sentence "By September of that year, museums began to receive works to display from Art Bridges" to avoid confusion.
 * Aha! That clarifies it. Could you please find a citation for that, and explain it just that way in the text? And could you add either the words "Collection Loan Partnership", or "since 2021", or both, to the "Foundation overview and history" sentence that says "lending partners", to clarify that is what this is? Again, I think it would be best to just combine those two sections, but you're the writer here. --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * In the Grants and Programs first paragraph, I have updated the source. The source states that the goal of the network is to have 80 museums, which I have added based on this question from you. The Philadelphia grant is separate from the $2.4M, I have added a second source for that.
 * Thanks. It's " the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston", just like "the Detroit Institute of Arts" and "the Smithsonian". --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The list of partnering institutions is not comprehensive, so per your suggestion I have removed the list entirely.
 * I have removed "Partner museums with less than $30 million annual operating budgets could apply for the grant. Funding could be used for  engagement opportunities and programs or for helping museums reopen." to shorten that paragraph.
 * For the question, "this paragraph ends with the dates. Any reason why?" It was just written like that for clarity.
 * Er ... it wasn't clear to me. Again, not a blocker, but... --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Please let me know if you have any more suggestions. Thanks for the feedback! Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 19:46, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I noted the things I'd like you to still do above. Also archive-url throughout all your paywalled sources if you could, where that allows access. Thank you. --GRuban (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, GRuban. Thanks again for the wonderful feedback. I just updated the draft based on your notes. Here's what you'll see:
 * I kept the name Art Bridges Foundation, as that is important for the foundation, and included a reference as you requested.
 * I corrected the punctuation formatting you noted.
 * I changed the heading "Foundation information and history" to "Foundation information", and moved one paragraph from there to the "Activities" section, which I renamed "History." I think that helps clear things up a bit.
 * I clarified content about the Collection Loan Partnership as possible based on the source material.
 * I added "the" to "the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston" as you requested.
 * I clarified a paragraph you flagged by adding the dates to the beginning.
 * I added archive-urls where needed.
 * Please let me know if you have any more suggestions. I appreciate your feedback and agree that it's easiest to get all these little things out of the way before moving the article to the mainspace. Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 18:47, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me! Thank you. If you get a relevant free image, please tell me, and I'd love to add it, as it seems a shame to have an article about an art foundation without a picture. (OK, to be honest, I would like an image on every article. It's sort of my thing.) --GRuban (talk) 20:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * GRuban: This looks great. Thanks for taking it live. You bring up a great point about images. Let me see what I can do! Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 15:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Addition of photos
GRuban I thought about what you said about images and found two on Wikimedia Commons that I think could be useful to this article. is of Alice Walton and is of a painting mentioned in the article, Child's Companion from Arshile Gorky. Please let me know what you think. Additionally, I have noticed a typo. In the first sentence of the History section, the article has "Child’s Companions" instead of "Child’s Companion" (note the "s" at the end of the word Companion). Do you think you could fix this? Even if minor, I did not want to go in and directly edit. Thanks for all the assistance, Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 19:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ --GRuban (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * GRuban: Thanks! Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 15:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)