Talk:Art collective

Cleanup for this article
Someone who knows art should clean up the list of collectives. Keep the legit ones that link to an article or have a webstie. And for the collectives that don't link to anything; keep the ones that people have heard of and have exhibited in galleries or have members that are notable artists.

Also, make sure the entries on the list actually are art collectives, I saw the entry for "Whirl-Mart." "Whirl-Mart" is the name of an act, a group known as Breathing Planet Troupe started doing it, so "Whirl-Mart" shouldn't be on a list of collectives. perhaps the Breathing Planet Troupe should be, but I'd leave that to someone else to decide if they actually are an art collective

Merge
So far as I can tell, these two subjects are exactly the same. Any reason to keep both articles? --jackohare 17:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

yes, they should be merged. The contemporary term is "art collective" as illustrated in the NYTimes article of a few years ago, archived here: http://www.rhizome.org/carnivore/press/cotter.htm

The current external link on the "artist collectives" entry is not very useful. Also, i think "artist collective" is an older term used to describe small groups of more traditional artists, painters say, who start an informal association of one sort or another, e.g. 6 painters who meet once a month to talk about their work or pitch in to pay for a figure model.

also, a contemporary art collective may or may not be interested in the gallery circuit. many collectives are more "informal", taking part in exhibits and events in lofts, the street, the Internet, homes and other public spaces.

That is a good point RE: art world participation, but wikipedia should be worried about every collective trying to add their name to the list of collectives. I think the list would be useful if it had well known collectives, because those are more likely to link to articles and give more information for the readers of wikipedia. It shouldn't be a place to self-publicize your personal collective.

as for breathing planet vs whirl-mart, BP is (i think) just one guy, while whirl-mart is one of his spin off projects that does function as an informal art/protest collective. there are many cases with newer collectives where the identities are a little smudged and confusing, e.g. one or two person collectives, temporary collectives, groups that change members or change their name etc. this complexity is part of the value of collectives and i would not try to box the definition into an older (more traditional) model. i.e. one that is too static and hinged on (officially sanctioned) "Art World" participation.