Talk:Art theft

Rembrandt
Hi, Noticed that the value for the rembrandt in the 1972 roberry was quoted as being valued 20$ million, the refrence used (http://archives.cbc.ca/on_this_day/09/04/) actaully reports a value of 1$ million, so have corrected. Also, no idication of canadian vs us dollars (article is source from canada). thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.148.57.105 (talk) 11:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Article scope
Great start to this article -- can I suggest that it forms a subset of a larger article on art crime which could cover:


 * Vandalism -- malicious

Vandalism -- insanity

Vandalism -- political e.g. suffragettes


 * Looting (distinct from theft in belief of right to expropriate)


 * Forgery

for insurance
 * Theft - for sale

for ransom

for collateral

art theft as psychol affliction

--mervyn 15:03, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Restitution of cultural property -- huge subject relating to holocaust, also antiquities, anthropology skulls etc.


 * Good suggestions, but individually I don't think that any of them could form an article of any length. For example, I suggest having an article on art vandalism and (should it grow to be too large) then splitting part off. &rarr;Raul654 17:25, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)


 * It should probably be noted that art theft is the 3rd biggest criminal economy in organized crime syndicates

Why is there a rotten.com link?
...even if this particular link seems to be pointing to some pieces of valid information, that is not the sort of site that an encyclopedia want to list a a source.

Someone else's art?
Art theft is the stealing of someone else's high-profile art. This is usually done for the purpose of resale.

ooookay, um, yeah. As opposed to stealing your own high-profile art. Isn't that somewhat redundant? Stealing your own art would be insurance fraud, right, therefore it's a different crime. I'd change it, but I'm not sure if there's already been a distinction made that isn't on this talk page... -- Bob the Cannibal 10:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The Mona Lisa is attempted to be stolen
That working was very awkward, so I changed it in the comment about the Dr. Who episode as well as some other grammar, spelling, and capitalization fixes.

This link is pretty comprehensive about the history of it's attempts at theft and damages http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDBEYOdD9FM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.175.12.34 (talk) 21:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

thanks
gago ka thank u so much for helping me find out about the stolen mona lisa. when my dad told me about it, i thought he was crazy! he didn't remember everything, so i looked it up. it's amazing how the man did it. THANKS FOR SHARING! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.192.102 (talk) 22:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Art Theft In The Art Community?
I find it odd that this page does not a least link to information on art theft in the internet art community--the taking of someone else's art and claiming it as your own. This is illegal and it deserves more attention.

24.85.47.37 (talk) 23:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)WildGriffin

Merge proposal: merge Looted art into Art theft
I think Looted art is in poor shape, but I think this article has a great general outline that could better prevent finger-pointing by listing notable cases of art theft, especially benefiting descriptions of those artworks with provenance contested between states.

Also, Looting and War loot also have many examples that might be incorporated into either of these articles as well. Both might benefit from a summary section and to a main article. (See related discussions at Nazi plunder, War loot, and Looting, Looted art) - Ruodyssey (talk) 11:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Alas, such a merger would destroy the virtues of this article without improving the others. This article is already pretty near the suggestions of WP:SIZE and quadrupling it is not a way to improve it.  Rather, this one should maintain and perhaps even advance its already admirable adherence to WP:SUMMARY, and more attention should go to improving the others.  And yes, part of the virtue of this one is that it is mostly confined to one topic: private theft.  The broad one on war looting should be made similarly narrow, in part by losing much of its contents to detail articles either already existing or to be written.  Jim.henderson (talk) 04:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose These articles are both too big as it is. It would not be useful to merge, though the Art theft one could really use some cleanup. Sadads (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with both Jim.henderson and Sadads. If anything, the looting article should be broken up because it covers different topics only united by the word "looting". Theft from tombs is not the same thing as theft or varyous types of looting during wartime. The list from this article could stand on its own as a list article. This thread looks inert anyway and is almost five months old. I'm closing it and removing the box at the top of the article pages. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 17:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

O'Keeffe Legalities
130.160.235.238 (talk) 18:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC) The appellate court ruling mentioned was not the definitive ruling on the case. New Jersey Supreme Court ruled on it in 1980. Case cite: 416 A.2d 862. Reversed and remanded for a plenary hearing. LexisNexis or Westlaw it for the details.

Missing Art
I think it would be good to add a section or new article about all the missing art, (stolen, lost, etc.) that haven't been recovered till this date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom jgg (talk • contribs) 15:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Spam
I think vigilance is needed in this article to avoid spam. I have just removed links and text that read like advertising copy designed to promote Robert Wittman, but I think someone more familiar with the article needs to keep a close eye on it and remove or tone down anything else that reads like it was put in the article to promote some business venture or other. There are other mentions of Wittman which I left in, as someone unsure about his notability. See also the article on Robert King Wittman, which reads like an ad. Beorhtwulf (talk) 20:42, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Update possible?
Hi all. Just a thought about an update. The section - "State theft, wartime looting and misappropriation by museums" - (3rd paragraph down). The "Ahrodite" statue at the Get museum was "returned" to Italy in 2010. After many yrs fraught with contention, Italy proved that this centerpiece of the Get's collection belonged to them. They won their case in 2007, yet allowed the Get to display it until Dec of 2010. The statue (7/12ft tall, 5th century B.C.) now resides on display in Aidone, Italy. This info gathered from the Smithsonian Magazine, Nov. 2011. Does anyone care to update this? Or show me how? I am new to this and will check back. Who knows maybe this will be my first real babystep toward contributing. Anyhow, great and informative page.Jill333 (talk) 03:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Mssing in list: Art thefts
178.11.189.120 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * in Egyptian Museum, Cairo during Arab Spring
 * in National Museum of Iraq, Baghdad, Iraq at the end of Gulf War
 * in National Gallery, Athens in January 2012:
 * on 16 October 2012 in Kunsthal, Rotterdam


 * 1979 in Castle Friedenstein,Gotha, Germany:
 * Paintings „Brustbild eines jungen Mannes“ by Frans Hals, „Landstraße mit Bauernwagen und Kühen“ by Jan Brueghel the Elder, „Selbstbildnis mit Sonnenblume“ by Anthonis van Dyck, „Alter Mann“ by Jan Lievens and „Heilige Katharina“ by Hans Holbein the Elder Swedenrefomer (talk) 00:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Maybe... consider looking at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/10191072/The-10-most-wanted-missing-paintings.html? TheWhiteLord5 (talk) 00:55, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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