Talk:Artemis 2/Archive 1

Captured Asteroid
Would our planet have two moons then (our Moon and the asteroid)? And why make such a difficult mission and not simply land once again on the moon? --62.178.84.62 (talk) 09:39, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Crew Size
The introduction mentions a crew of two, but then Mission section mentions a crew of four. Which is it? 208.66.246.176 (talk) 01:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Info
NASA's Space Launch System: Exploration Missions 1 and 2 and Beyond (August 2014)--Craigboy (talk) 19:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Not an asteroid mission
BatteryIncluded, I don't think your current updates to this article are right, as EM-2 which is scheduled for c. 2021 as per Orion (spacecraft) is not the same thing as the Asteroid Redirect Mission which is now scheduled for c. 2026 ...? -- Aegoceras (talk) 00:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello. The introduction in EM-2 states that the Orion capsule will target a previously captured asteroid placed in lunar orbit. My understanding is that NASA will only bring one asteroid to lunar orbit; that project will be the Asteroid Redirect Mission.  Look at the description of the first image in the EM-2 page: "This is an image of a spacecraft for NASA's future Asteroid Retrieval and Utilization mission. Text to the bigger picture: Capturing an Asteroid By leveraging capabilities across all of NASA, the agency is developing a first-ever mission to identify, rendezvous with, capture and redirect a small asteroid into a stable orbit in the lunar vicinity, and then send humans to visit it using the Space Launch System rocket and Orion spacecraft."
 * Let's talk more, if I am wrong I will revert all edits. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 00:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) My interpretation here is that this was what was being planned until recently, but no longer true. e.g. see this recent article which says EM-2 will now serve as practice for the later manned asteroid mission. Certainly, with EM-1 in 2018 I can't see how there could be an 8-year gap till EM-2. -- Aegoceras (talk) 01:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I reverted my edits. It seems like the EM-3 might be the mission to visit the captured asteroid in lunar orbit. I was misled by the introduction at EM-2: " NASA plans to launch in 2026[5] with a crew to a captured asteroid in lunar orbit." So I assumed this was the one.  My apologies. Now, it seems that the asteroid sentence in the EM-2 introduction has to specify it will be a practice flyby of the asteroid in lunar orbit. Thanks for your pacience and heads up, BatteryIncluded (talk) 01:13, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries! I think much of it needs to be rewritten. Or, as the whole purpose of EM-2 remains so fluid maybe this article is WP:CRYSTAL and should be merged back into the Orion article - what do you think? -- Aegoceras (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Obviously I am not familiar with this article or NASA project :-)   I am more interested in the science, the analyses. I will leave it to more knowledgeable minds. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 01:31, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Launcher or payload change?
The NASA FY 2019 Budget Overview states that the first module of the Lunar Gateway (Power and Propulsion Element (PPE)), will now be launched with a "commercial launch vehicle": And Space News also reports a "commercial launch vehicle". That seems to imply it will not be the SLS, and that the EM-2 mission will now have a different payload.

Also, both sources state the PPE launch is for 2022 (commercial launcher), while the EM-2 (SLS launcher) is scheduled for 2023, which suggest different missions. Maybe the PPE is launched with a commercial launcher (not EM-2) and a crewed Orion on the SLS (EM-2 properly)soon after? Any updates and references are appreciated. BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:02, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * It looks like the plans changed. In this 23/March article it states that if the enlarged upper stage (with four Aerojet Rocketdyne RL10 engines) makes its inaugural flight on EM-2, it could give the rocket enough power to haul the first Lunar Gateway module along with the Orion crew. Since there is now an award to launch the first Lunar Gateway module on a commercial launcher, then we must assume 1) the bigger upper stage is not ready for the EM-2 flight and, 2) the SLS will launch with the Orion crew only. I think we need more recent and reliable references with updates. BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:56, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Similar Mission
EM2 is similar to Apollo 13, not Apollo 8. Apollo 8 entered Lunar orbit, which is not planned for EM-2--2001:B07:644B:132:70F4:3896:CEC:34B9 (talk) 08:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I see. EM-2 is similar to the proposed Russian mission that NASA trumped with Apollo 8. --Andrew Swallow (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Launch date of 2023 rather than 2022
I'm changing the projected launch year from 2022 to 2023. I'm adding this section first because I see User:72.42.172.132 |recently edited it the other way ("References state that the mission is planned for 2022. NOT 2023").

I don't know why articles at Nasaspaceflight keep saying this mission is planned for 2022, but all the recent statements from NASA itself seem to agree that the mission is now targeted for 2023, or, at best, "by 2023". See this NASA post from August ("will launch ... by 2023"), the official National Space Exploration Campaign Report from September ("Americans to orbit the Moon, starting in 2023"), and this post ("by 2023") from just two days ago (March 8).

Birdfern (talk) 23:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Secondary payload
I heard that the NASA will be launching CubeSats on the Artemis 2. Any thoughts? —Yours sincerely, Soumyabrata $T/S$ 06:35, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't see why there'd be an issue adding that to the article. - Jadebenn (talk) 00:22, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Artemis program brochure
A potential source with some details about Artemis II : Artemis Plan - NASA's Lunar Exploration Program Overview. Hektor (talk) 11:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)