Talk:Arthur's Tavern


 * This article has been tagged since 2009 with a notability tag. My interest is 1)- It has been around a long time, 2)- It is reportedly located in an historic building, and 3)- since living in Louisiana and being a trumpet player for over 40 years certainly playing some New Orleans style music, I like jazz.
 * The subject is sourced (inline citation) from a link to a not so notable band (the Mob) that had only appeared there, and apparently "External links" that includes the "official website" stating the business started in 1962. The Nocturne Blues link is a list of businesses that includes the subject first (listing it as internationally recognized) along with "B.B. King's Blues Club" on Times Square that is currently out of business, "Cleopatra's Needle" (not the obelisks) listed as world-renowned with jam sessions, "Cornelia Street Café" (1977), "Cupping Room Cafe", Garage Restaurant (host an impressive lineup), Smalls Jazz Club (1993-94) that has a record label (produced also offers a unique SmallsLIVE Revenue Share Project to support member artists and the clubs, "Sugar Bar", and "Terra Blues" saloon. All of these share some common elements, a)- they are businesses, particularly bars, clubs, taverns, or saloons, b)-Jazz music, and c)-they are located in New York. As much as I love music (a big fan) I struggle to find the importance (historical or significant) to simply listing businesses in an encyclopedia.
 * I found more information on the Grove Street Stompers, playing at the "tavern" since 1962. I found an Arthur's Tavern in Hoboken, New Jersey, Emerson, New Jersey, and one in Morris Plains, New Jersey. The "Bebop or Be Square: NYC Jazz Clubs" link lists "Bebop clubs" including Village Vanguard (1935), "Blue Note (not the record company), Jazz at Lincoln Center, Jazz Standard (1997) owned by Danny Meyer (owns Gramercy Tavern and Shake Shack among others), and located in the basement of the Blue Smoke ("Blue Smoke and Jazz Standard"), Smalls (also above), and Lenox Lounge that is an apparent historical article. "Foursquare" (a city guide) ranks the business as #7 for jazz clubs in the West Village.
 * What I have failed to find is sources to show encyclopedic worthy notability for inclusion so the 2009 tag seems credible. As a fan this article is a must but as an editor there needs to be something more than popular and prominent people have played there. They play all over the place so is not justification. There needs to be actual evidence of notability for a business, company, or corporation. Otr500 (talk) 22:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)