Talk:Arthur Kinnaird, 11th Lord Kinnaird

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Is this the same person who opened the first purpose built football ground (Goodison Park)? 

Hacking
"Kinnaird was a proponent of "hacking", the then controversial skill of aiming kicks at an opponent's shins;"

Is aiming kicks at an opponent's shins no longer controversial? 82.12.148.167 (talk) 18:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Back then it was permitted but there was much debate as to whether it should be, hence it was controversial, now it is simply not permitted. I agree it could be worded better, though..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Unofficial international matches
The article says: "Kinnaird also played for Scotland. He made his solitary appearance against England in the second ever international match, played on 8 March 1873 at The Oval." Kinnaird did not merely participate in the first international football matches - he organised them and they were his idea. He appears to have been the originator of international football. The match on 08 March, 1873 was not the second-ever international: it was the seventh. The reason for this is that the first five international matches (played between 05 March, 1870 and 21 Feb, 1872 - see Wiki article, 'England v Scotland representative matches (1870-1872)') were retrospectively classified as unofficial on the grounds that the selection of the teams was insufficiently representative. Kinnaird played in 3 of those 5 matches; which means that he actually played for Scotland 4 times but in only 1 official match. 2.31.195.147 (talk) 11:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)