Talk:Arthur Morgan

Appearances section
Your changes to the Appearances section add some unsourced information (most notably in the first sentence) and an excessive amount of detail (the section should briefly discuss the character's role in the game; the word count here exceeds plot guidelines, and character articles should be even less excessive). – Rhain  ☔ 04:00, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi
Arthur is Welsh and British also 130.44.20.170 (talk) 14:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Appearances
Arthur was mentioned in one of the newspapers in rdr1, here so could someone change the article to reflect that? 86.141.116.238 (talk) 04:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That newspaper is from Red Dead Redemption 2. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 05:17, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2024
In the "character development" section, add that the persona of wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin was an inspiration for Clark's portrayal of Arthur Morgan. He confirms this on a post of his Instagram, linked here (refer to Clark's reply of the comment by user "chrisxillustrates"). 67.249.118.52 (talk) 01:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ❌. A vague response to a comedic Instagram comment is neither reliable nor notable enough for inclusion, I'm afraid. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 01:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Article looks great until the biography section. Can you at least cite them like Template:Cite video game and the end of the paragraph???? 126.11.103.43 (talk) 13:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * References are not necessary for basic story details (per MOS:PLOT), if that's what you're suggesting. – Rhain  ☔ (he/him) 14:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 15 April 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Arthur Morgan (Red Dead) → Arthur Morgan – I checked every existing "Arthur Morgan" article page views, but obviously this fictional character page views is way too far compare from the others. And when you look up Arthur Morgan, of course the fictional character is more well known than others. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 05:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC) *:I see. Well if thats the case. I 'm gonna Withdraw now. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 10:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose. There are eight bulleted entries listed upon the Arthur Morgan disambiguation page, with no indication that this character's renown exceeds the combined notability of the remaining seven names, one of whom (Arthur Morgan (Australian politician, born 1856)) served as Premier of Queensland, with his article being nominated for deletion alongside this nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * He is not a well known person + the page views were very low.   Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 09:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Combined notability? Why does the notability of the other seven subjects need to be combined against this? How do you measure combined notability? Neocorelight (Talk) 23:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: I have checked the views on |Arthur_Morgan_(Australian_politician,_born_1856)|Arthur_Morgan_(Irish_politician)|Arthur_Morgan_(Australian_politician,_born_1881)|Arthur_Ernest_Morgan|Arthur_Eustace_Morgan|Arthur_C._Morgan|Tony_Morgan_(sailor)|Arthur_Morgan Pageviews Analysis and out of every Arthur Morgan in the disambiguation, the one about in Red Dead has the most views. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 16:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pure WP:RECENTISM. Not long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not really recent, in my opinion. I have |Arthur_Morgan_(Australian_politician,_born_1856)|Arthur_Morgan_(Irish_politician)|Arthur_Morgan_(Australian_politician,_born_1881)|Arthur_Ernest_Morgan|Arthur_Eustace_Morgan|Arthur_C._Morgan|Tony_Morgan_(sailor)|Arthur_Morgan extended the Pageview Analysis even more farther and I have found that the Red Dead Arthur has had more views than other Arthurs since late 2019. Given that this has been sustained for the last 4 and 1/2 years, I believe it contains long term significance. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's still recent! Where's the long-term significance? It's not just about pageviews. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The bar for a fictional character to outweigh a real person is very high. Harry Potter he ain't. The vast majority of people will never have heard of him. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: If the page is moved, I believe that the now Arthur Morgan page should be moved to Arthur Morgan (disambiguation). Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 15:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Nah, Greenish Pickle was correct and withdrawing now would be a WP:SUPERVOTE and should not be allowed. Arthur Morgan is indeed the primary topic with an absolutely overwhelming number of pageviews compared to the other real-life people. It is not "recentism" as this has been the case for a very long time. The DAB page should also be moved to Arthur Morgan (disambiguation). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. RM closing instructions say that ...move discussions should remain open for at least seven days (168 hours) to allow interested editors adequate time to participate. However, when no one has commented yet, or if opposition is unanimous, discussions may be closed prior to the seven-day timeframe... and given that this RM has received some support, it is no longer unanimously opposed to, and should not be withdrawn at this point. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. The page views here are too lopsided in favor of the Red Dead character to ignore. There's also no rule that fictional characters face a higher bar than real people when it comes to being the primary topic. Jessintime (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No rule, but certainly general consensus at previous RMs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - clear primary topic. 85% of users are going from Arthur Morgan to Arthur Morgan (Red Dead). – Pbrks ( t·c ) 15:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Contemporary media should not take any type of preference in cases where there are real life historical figures at the same name. --M asem (t) 14:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not voting on this since I have no preference either way, but there's nothing really stating that to be the case. That's just a preference based on past editors, and not really a "ground rule" that needs to be followed. Per above statistics, the character seems to have more inherent notability than the real-life figures, which is why this move is even being argued for. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per Pbrks. This is the page that most readers are trying to get to when they type Arthur Morgan. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Wikipedia is WP:NOTFINISHED. The decisions we make today are not binding in perpetuity, regardless of how 'gauche' it feels to make a frivolous video game character the primary topic for something, even temporarily. That said, there is a tangible UX benefit to saving 85% of people a disambiguation click for the next however many years until some other Arthur Morgan overtakes the fictional outlaw in terms of primary topic. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)