Talk:Articulated tram

"Some rare combinations between double decker and jointed buses also exist, but neither are in common use." Has this even been proposed in case of trams.Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)

Article rewrite
I've started translating from de:Straßenbahn-Gelenkwagen as it is far more comprehensive than the automated translation of that article which was put here in the first place. Sections that are not translated have been commented out in the article, but these should be gone fast. --Doco 08:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Myrtone has pointed me to this page. I'm strapped for time, so no wholesale translation to expect from me. Maybe I can do some proofreading despite being a native German speaker. What I can do, however, is to contribute photos from articulated trams I photographed in Dresden and Amsterdam.--Klaus with K 15:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge with Tram
I'm not sure this article serves us well on its own, as most modern trams are indeed articulated. This article is a translation of the German Straßenbahn-Gelenkwagen, dealing with specific German tram models, which is not the same thing as the broad heading "Articulated tram." If these are indeed noteworthy on their own, then the article needs to be renamed to reflect specific tram types. Otherwise, it should be merged with the main article. ProhibitOnions 13:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No, not unless the same is done with articulated bus.Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian) 14:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC) PS also this page is already larger than the preferable size, and a merge would exagerate this.


 * Maybe renaming the article to Trams in Germany and making its current contents a subsection of that new article could be a possible solution. Otherwise, merge with tram.--Doco 14:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * That's probably the best overall solution. I would support an article about Trams in Germany as well as articles for other countries where there is notable tram activity. There is already a section on Germany in the main article, which could serve as a framework for a rewrite of this one.


 * To reply to Myrtone, "Articulated tram" as an article is not notable, simply because most trams are articulated, and the article is really about a specific German type of articulated tram, not articulated trams in general. (Note: I live in Germany.) Articulated buses, on the other hand, are a specific type of bus that has only gained widespread use since the early 1980s and is still only a small part of the fleet in many cities; in this case a separate article is warranted. ProhibitOnions 16:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I have now changed the article to include a sentence on the "kurzgelenkwagens" in Budapest. Not all modern trams are articulated, some new twin-bogie singe cabody section trams are still made in Eastern Europe and Japan has some with bogies under cabs and low floor between them.Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)

PS if the German language version has not been merged in this way, why the Anglophone version, do these two wikipedias have different standards? If this version is to be merged, than maybe the German laguage version should be too.


 * Actually, if you look at the German article, it is tagged as being German-centric - the article deals only with German developments in tram articulation. The problems of translating this into English under the broader heading "Articulated tram" should be obvious. Fact is, most modern trams are articulated, so we have to be careful that we are not weakening the main article by placing information here that really belongs there. An article about articulated trams should conver the development, history, and application of them in greater detail than would be possible in the main article. However, it should not be a parallel article (we already had this problem with former separate articles about Trolley and Streetcar). At present, Tram doesn't even link to this article, suggesting we have been less than methodical in trying to add this information to the main article first. ProhibitOnions 12:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Page move
As there seem to be no further comments on this subject, I've followed ProhibitOnion's suggestion and moved the article's contents to the new article Trams in Germany. This is now a redirect to Tram for the time being.