Talk:Ascension Parish Burial Ground/Archive 1

Referencing
The next major task will be to Reference each person listed. The existing system is vague, or refers to the subject's Wikipedia articles.

Find a Grave
The most obvious way to do this would be to link to Find a Grave. I don't think that Find a Grave is particularly reliable, except where a photograph is provided by them. I have done the first one, John Couch Adams.

Use the.

Only another 100 to go... Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

All of the individual articles ALREADY have Links to Find-A-Grave: all you need to do is copy and paste them to put them into the references; you are more than welcome to carry on doing them!

2.30.195.115 (talk)

References:

^ Sir Hgugh Kerr Anderson at Find a Grave

^ Jon Burnaby at Find a Grave

Please correct these typos.?

^ Richard Appleton at Find a Grave

This link does not work - can you disambiguate 'Richard Appleton' please?

You can copy and paste the references to Find-A-Grave from the individual articles, of course?

2.30.195.115 (talk) 09:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Charles Seltman
Is this memorial, which seems to be fairly substantial and suitably artistic for an art historian: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dumbledad/3182786612/in/set-72157612363468950 to Charles Seltman, or is it just to his wife? Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Barney3, I assume your question is addressed to me? I hope to have an answer for you shortly! MP

2.30.189.109 (talk) 08:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Ascension Parish Burial Ground
There is a new facebook group called: "Ascension Parish Burial Ground : A Cambridge Necropolis" with over 35 members, formed in December 2013; applications to join this group are most welcome from anyone with an interest in the history of both Cambridge and the university. It complements the work of The Friends of the Parish of the Ascension Burial Ground by publishing research. 2.27.124.177 (talk) 19:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism?
This material was unilaterally deleted from this article by someone who may not appreciate the importance of the Darwins; I have asked him to discuss first in future - or be reported 2.24.32.69 (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Period Piece: A Cambridge childhood

Some of the above are mentioned in Period Piece, the 1952 book about the Darwin family by Gwen Raverat (née Darwin) including: Frances Cornford (née Darwin) ("Cousin Frances"); she was known to her family before her marriage as "FCD" and after her marriage as "FCC". She is buried in her late father's grave. Francis Cornford, husband of Frances Cornford; because of the similarity of his Christian name, his father-in-law's and his wife's, he was known to Darwin family as "FMC"; he was cremated at Cambridge Crematorium on 6 January 1943, Sir Francis Darwin ("Uncle Frank"); father of Frances Cornford, with whom he is buried, and Lady Florence Henrietta Darwin, Sir Francis's third wife is briefly mentioned but the marriage was after the time period in the book; she is buried opposite their grave. Sir Francis Darwin, FRS Sir Horace Darwin ("Uncle Horace") and Lady Ida Darwin, née Farrer, ("Aunt Ida") Sir Horace Darwin, FRS Sir Richard Claverhouse Jebb ("Uncle Dick") and Lady Caroline Jebb ("Aunt Cara") - there is a memorial to her but she was buried in America. Arthur Woollgar Verrall, buried with his wife Margaret Verrall, a lecturer in classics at Newnham College. Note: the author and her father, Sir George Darwin (referred to as "Uncle George") are buried together in Trumpington Extension Cemetery in Cambridge; the author's American mother, Lady Maud Darwin (née Du Poy) was cremated at Cambridge Crematorium. The location of the grave of Ellen Wordsworth Darwin (1856 - 1903), ("Aunt Ellen"), née Crofts, the second wife of Sir Francis Darwin ("Uncle Frank") and mother of Frances Cornford (née Darwin) ("Cousin Frances") is as yet unknown. Eight members of the Darwin family are buried in St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent; nearby is Down House, the home of the Darwin family. Darwins buried at Downe include: Bernard Darwin and his wife Elinor Monsell, who taught her husband's cousin Gwen Raverat engraving; Charles Waring Darwin; Elizabeth Darwin, "Aunt Bessy"; Emma Darwin, Charles Darwin's wife, "Grandmamma"; Erasmus Alvey Darwin; Mary Eleanor Darwin; Henrietta Etty Darwin, later Litchfield, "Aunt Etty". "Uncle Richard", Richard Litchfield, husband of "Aunt Etty", is presumed to have been buried where he died in Cannes, France and not at Downe. Charles Darwin is buried in Westminster Abbey; Charles and Emma Darwin's daughter Anne Darwin is buried in the churchyard of Great Malvern Priory, Great Malvern. The extended Darwin family, with family nicknames/burial locations

The many Darwin family members mentioned in Period Piece can best be summarised as follows: Uncles William Erasmus Darwin ("Uncle William") Sir Francis Darwin ("Uncle Frank"): Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Sir Leonard Darwin ("Uncle Lenny") Sir Horace Darwin ("Uncle Horace"): Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Sir George Darwin ("Uncle George") : Cambridge, Trumpington Extension Cemetery Aunts Henrietta Litchfield ("Aunt Etty")St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Elizabeth ("Aunt Bessy") St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Uncle's and Aunt's spouses Richard Buckley Litchfield ("Uncle Richard") - Aunt Etty's husband Ellen Wordsworth Darwin, née Crofts, ("Aunt Ellen") - Sir Francis Darwin's second wife, mother of Frances Cornford Elizabeth (née Fraser, "Aunt Bee") - Sir Leonard Darwin's first wife Mildred Darwin, nee Massingberd - Sir Leonard Darwin's second wife Sara Darwin, née Sedgwick, - "Aunt Sara") - William Darwin's wife Lady Ida Darwin née Farrer ("Aunt Ida") - Sir Horace Darwins's wife; : Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Lady Maud Darwin, nee Du Poy, mother of [Gwen Raverat]], wife of Sir George Darwin: Cambridge, Trumpington Extension Cemetery Cousins Bernard Darwin (son of Sir Francis Darwin and his first wife Amy): St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Frances Darwin, later Cornford, (daughter of Sir Francis Darwin and his second wife Ellen): Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Erasmus Darwin IV (son and eldest child of Sir Horace Darwin and Lady Ida): St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Ruth Darwin, later Rees-Thomas (elder daughter of Sir Horace Darwin and Lady Ida) Nora Barlow, nee Darwin,(younger daughter of Sir Horace Darwin and Lady Ida) Second cousins Ralph Wedgwood Felix Wedgwood (brother of Ralph) Ralph Vaughan Williams


 * Okay, let us make it clear: this information has nothing, nothing and nothing to do with the burial ground. You should add it to the existing article about the Darwin family. For this article the info is completely irrelevant. This article is about the burial ground, not about family members of someone buried here nor about family members buried elsewhere.
 * And beside that: the section is completely unsourced. The Banner talk 17:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Instead of repeatedly accusing me of vandalism, it might by a good idea that you try to familiarize yourself with the basic ideas of Wikipedia, my dear IP. For instance: The Banner talk 03:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) 1 subject in 1 article.
 * 2) No promotion/advertising

Removal of maintenance templates
Could the IP refrain from removing the maintenance templates? It is getting a bit annoying. The Banner talk 09:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Ladies' Dining Society
Is it possible to explain why the non-notable Ladies' Dining Society has to be mentioned in the lead? The Banner talk 09:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It does appear that the wives of certain dons liked to get together to have dinner parties. Possibly without their menfolk.  They might have had semi-regular parties and given themselves a name.  This might be relevant to a sociologist studying this period in Cambridge history. However, it appears to be entirely irrelevant to the burial ground, and it is also unsourced and does seem rather unimportant. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

So '"unimportant", that a book is being written about it! Do you know who the 12 members were?

2.27.125.97 (talk) 10:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. I don't really care.  Currently, it's an unsourced statement. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:39, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD
It is NOT a new article;'Barney, Barney, the Barney' has ALREADY edited it and he did a VERY GOOD job!!

2.27.125.97 (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed section move
I propose to move the section ''Five members of the family of Charles Darwin are interred here: two sons: Francis Darwin and Horace Darwin, two daughters-in-law: Florence Darwin (third wife of Francis) and Lady Ida Darwin (wife of Horace), and a granddaughter: Frances Cornford, the daughter of Francis Darwin by his second wife, Ellen Wordsworth Darwin. Ten members of the Cambridge Apostles are interred in this burial ground. Over one hundred Fellows, including 38 former Professors, of the University of Cambridge are buried in this cemetery.'' from the lead to the end of the article, under a yet to be decided header. Reason for this proposal is that it give undue weight in this article to the Darwin family and the Cambridge Apostles. The Banner talk 22:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

This article is being routinely 'vandalised' by a Dutch editor living in Eire, who has been reported; see the above as this illustrates his apparent obsession with this rather good article; he should cease and desist immediately.

2.27.146.89 (talk) 10:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, you are indeed reported for a block for violating WP:NPA, as promised. The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You can claim to be "the 'Ascension Parish Burial Ground' expert!!" but that does not make you the owner of the article. It just proves that you have a Conflict of Interest. So please, stop your attacks and behave properly. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 12:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

"I am the 'Ascension Parish Burial Ground' expert!!" This is ENGLISH HUMOUR; if you do not understand that, then (in my opinion) you should NOT be editing? If - as previously suggested - you want something 'constructive' to do, then tidy up the Cambridge Apostles article! 2.27.132.210 (talk) 23:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As I said before: clean up your own stuff. And please, start using some proper manners. Personal attacks are not useful. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 08:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Robert H. Lock
Can someone please re-instate his deleted Wikipedia article, as previously requested? He is having a new ODNB biography written by a Cambridge Professor!

Robert Heath Lock, Assistant Director of the Peradeniya Botanical Gardens, in Sri Lanka, around 1910

195.194.238.103 (talk) 14:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks that there was never a proper article about Robert H. Lock or Robert Heath Lock (= redirect to disambiguation page). So you have to write the article. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 15:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

There WAS an article, but it got deleted; ODNB think he is worthy of a dedicated biography! See:

"Robert Lock From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Robert Heath Lock) Robert Lock may refer to:

Robert Heath Lock, Assistant Director of the Peradeniya Botanical Gardens, in Sri Lanka, around 1910"

2.27.113.156 (talk) 12:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

COI
See: Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive851 <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Ten members of the Cambridge Apostles are interred in this burial ground
Plus Gerald Shove makes 11 !

2.27.112.161 (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

THIS IS A VALUABLE ARTICLE
This article contains 79 people with ODNB biographies and has links to 111 Wikipedia articles!

2.27.132.210 (talk) 23:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It might be a good idea to take care of the red links in the article. Most of the time they are deemed non-notable and are removed out of lists. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Done, as requested! 195.194.238.104 (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Isn't it about time this nonsense be removed?
'''{{multiple issues| {{COI|date=August 2014}} {{lead too long|date=August 2014}} {{undue|date=August 2014}} ''' This is coming up to its first anniversary, and should now be deleted in my opinion!

195.194.238.103 (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, sir, the issues are still there. Although a sockmaster and a load of his IP-sockpuppets are blocked by now for sockpuppetry and disruptive editing, other IPs from this range still appear here to promote the Darwin family and the Cambridge Apostles. Constant vigilance is still needed. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 23:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

14 DELETIONS FOR NON-ARTICLES

 * Loftus Kendall Bushe-Fox M.A., Fellow and Tutor of St. Johns College and his wife Theodora Bushe-Fox, [2C54]
 * John Carver, Fellow of St. Johns College and Registrar of Addenbrookes Hospital [2D11]
 * John Clay, printer, University printer [1B3]
 * Michael James Farrell Reader of economics, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College [2C33]
 * Arthur Beak Heffer, Louisa Marion Heffer, Ernest William Heffer, the family who owned the famous Heffers bookshop in Cambridge, which is now part of Blackwells [1B1]
 * John Bascombe Lock Fellow of Gonville and Caius College and wife Emily Lock [2D49]
 * Hugh Roger Lubbock Cell Biologist, Junior Research Fellowship at Churchill College and his father John Ralph Lubbock
 * Arthur Matthew Businessman, local politician and community stalwart
 * Paine, Susan Helen, Fellow of Clare College
 * Francis Pattrick, Fellow, Tutor, President of Magdalene College [2D13]
 * Arthur Peck, Fellow of Christ's College Cambridge, Morris Dance enthusiast.
 * William Luard Raynes, a Fellow of Pembroke College, a Solicitor [2B36]
 * David Roberts (architect), Fellow of Magdalene College and his wife Margaret Roberts.
 * Charles Pinfold Sumner, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College and University Esquire [4D3]

Barney, Barney, the Barney?

Martin 2.30.189.118 (talk) 08:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * David Roberts (architect) has a page (previously as David Wyn Roberts). Nedrutland (talk) 14:38, 1 May 2017 (UTC)