Talk:Asheville, North Carolina

Morristown
Does anyone know where Morristown was..i am interested in researching the early history of Ashville..i need to know where the original town was...where the original crossroad was...does anyone know? It should be included in the article Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 20:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It was College and Lexington in case anyone is interested..where the Native American trail crossed the Buncombe Turnpike..the Cherokee  cemetery was at the bus stop across the street from the rear entrance to the asheville music hall...under the parking garage...apparently the consumption of alcohol is more relevant to the current yuppie hipster culture that has descended on Ashville than history..who would have guessed? 00:15, 5 January 2016 (UTC)66.169.95.50 (talk)


 * An old newspaper article..I believe the Asheville News and Observer suggest the cemetery was possibly the Southwest corner of Lexington and Patton...the little park there...under the parking lot. 75.130.206.121 (talk) 01:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * A friend of mine who is Cherokee told me that Pack Square is the largest Indian graveyard in the Southeastern US...this makes sense as it is in the center of town on the side of the hill there facing East..towards the rising sun..this needs to be in the article as well as the fact that that the site is also the place of the slave market 2600:1702:2340:9470:B12B:7B5A:4247:DB65 (talk) 00:29, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I was wrong..it is near the Kress building..probably across the street under the old Bank of Asheville, which is now First Bank, parking lot, which is the only flat area downtown..Pack Square was a rock out cropping that was systematically dynamited to create space for the series of courthouses built there. 2600:1702:2340:9470:A17E:8216:55A4:CE3C (talk) 15:55, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Timeline of Asheville, North Carolina
The timeline will not open in the article; to access the information within it, I must go to the edit page.Bayowolf (talk) 16:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I moved all the timeline materials to Timeline of Asheville, North Carolina as it was getting too long on this article. --Meanderingbartender (talk) 20:28, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Arts destinations
Can someone edit the "Art galleries" section of the page to be a little more comprehensive? Currently it only includes Flood Fine Arts and AAM. There are several other galleries/museums/arts centers/studios in Asheville that are significant parts of the local culture as well as the national arts scene, and that have received enough press to be considered notable enough for a mention, e.g. the Center for Craft (Hyperallergic) and Black Mountain College Museum + Arts Center in downtown Asheville (NY Times, ARTnews, Mountain Xpress, Hyperallergic). A heading change from "Art galleries" to "Arts destinations" might be in order, too, to encompass places that aren't necessarily commercial galleries. As an employee of BMCM+AC, I have a COI, otherwise I would make these edits. Cpfffr (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 8-FEB-2020

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Visual arts
I'm resubmitting this edit request with more specificity.

1. Please change the subheading 'Art galleries' to 'Visual arts' to encompass a broader set of cultural institutions.

2. Please remove the existing text:

"The Flood Fine Arts Center is a non-profit contemporary art institution in the River Arts District. The Asheville Art Museum in Pack Square reopened on November 14, 2019 after a $24 million renovation."

3. Please replace the above text with the following claims, with the provided references:

"Asheville has also gained a reputation as a growing hub for the visual arts. Art museums dedicated to the region's historic and contemporary artistic movements include the Asheville Art Museum, which reopened on November 14, 2019 after a $24 million renovation, and Black Mountain College Museum + Arts Center, which extends the avant-garde creative legacy of Black Mountain College.  Both museums are located on Pack Square in downtown Asheville. Also downtown is the Center for Craft, which hosts exhibitions as well as co-working space.

Notable galleries include Flood Gallery Fine Arts Center, Blue Spiral 1, Tracey Morgan Gallery, 22 London, Haen Gallery, Satellite Gallery, and Momentum Gallery, one of the largest private gallery spaces in North Carolina. Asheville's River Arts District is also known for its galleries, street art, and copious artists' studios, many of which are open to the public. "

4. Reason for change being made:

The section previously had minimal information. The proposed edit gives a fuller picture of the local arts ecology, while folding the previous snippets of information into their broader context.

Cpfffr (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 10-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  01:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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Reply 11-FEB-2020
Hi Spintendo! Let me know if this helps:
 * 1) The section as written lists only two among many arts-related institutions in the vicinity. By listing other notable locations, the section is less selective and more accurately reflects published information sources about Asheville's arts scene. Frankly I don't think the costs of AAM's recent renovation are relevant to this page about the city, but that clause is the only information currently referenced & so I left it in my suggested edit.
 * 2) The references provided list the city as appearing on SMU's 2018 list of “40 Most Vibrant Arts Communities in America.” The criteria for this 2018 distinction were "the number of nonprofit arts and cultural organizations per capita; supply and demand for arts in the community; and the number of dollars in local, state, and federal support for the arts." In 2018, Asheville was #5 among cities with populations between 100,000 and 1,000,000; results of the study can be found here. In 2019, it was #9 in the same population bracket (2019 results). Much of the information I've suggested adding is summarized from this article in Burnaway, a publication that focuses on Southern contemporary art and criticism. This older National Geographic article also supports the popular characterization of Asheville as an arts destination. See also this 2019 article which describes Asheville to be "long-known as an arts colony with connections to the American Craft Revival and mid-20th-century avant-garde movements" or this Artsy article which describes "the long history of creativity in the region" (paragraphs 13-14).
 * 3) If the 2015 NY Times article is not sufficient to provide a secondary source for the existence/mission of Black Mountain College Museum + Arts Center (not the new location, which is not mentioned in the suggested revision) then the references to it from the above articles may help, or the following (listed by latest date of publication): Mountain Xpress, Hyperallergic, Broadway World,  Mountain Xpress again, ARTNews. Additional sources, both primary and secondary, can also be found on the institution's own Wikipedia page.
 * 4) "extend the avant-garde creative legacy" in the context of a museum/arts center: collection, preservation, research, publication, exhibition, educational programs, artist residencies, production and presentation of installations and performances that connect to the history to which the institution is dedicated. In this particular case, the institution functions both as a cultural heritage repository and educational center (sharing the history of Black Mountain College with scholars and the general public) and as a cultural venue (presenting contemporary artwork and performances that draw direct inspiration from the modern art movements & practices that developed at BMC) with a very specific emphasis on a particular part of regional history, in contrast to more general art museums. I'm not sure that the Asheville page is the best place to go into detail on the specific activities of any of the institutions listed, especially those that have their own Wikipedia pages where these details can be found, but I defer to your judgment.

I hope this is useful! Thanks, Cpfffr (talk) 17:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * By listing other notable locations, the section is less selective and more accurately reflects published information sources about Asheville's arts scene. Please provide the Wikilinks for these notable locations.
 * The references provided list the city as appearing on SMU's 2018 list of “40 Most Vibrant Arts Communities in America.” Please provide the Wikilinks for SMU and the 40 Most Vibrant Arts Communities in America.
 * then the references to it from the above articles may help, or the following (listed by latest date of publication): Mountain Xpress, Hyperallergic, Broadway World, Mountain Xpress again, ARTNews. Additional sources, both primary and secondary, can also be found on the institution's own Wikipedia page. References provided for edit requests need to be included with the verbatim proposed text and formatted using the citation style currently in use with the article.
 * "extend the avant-garde creative legacy" in the context of a museum/arts center: collection, preservation, research, publication, exhibition, educational programs, artist residencies, production and presentation of installations and performances that connect to the history to which the institution is dedicated. No references have been provided with the explanation of the questioned term, so this information cannot be verified.
 * Regards, Spintendo  13:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 14-FEB-2020
Hi again Spintendo and happy Valentine's Day! Here is a new version of the proposed edit that I hope addresses these issues.

1. Please change the subheading 'Art galleries' to 'Visual arts' to encompass a broader set of cultural institutions.

2. Please remove the existing text (currently the entirety of the section):

"The Flood Fine Arts Center is a non-profit contemporary art institution in the River Arts District. The Asheville Art Museum in Pack Square reopened on November 14, 2019 after a $24 million renovation."

3. Please replace the above text with the following claims, with the provided references:

Asheville has been recognized as an art-friendly city, appearing in 2018 and 2019 in the top percentile among cities of its size on SMU/DataArts' Arts Vibrancy Index, which measures “supply, demand, and government support for arts and culture" among cities across the United States. Historically, Asheville has connections to the American handicraft revival and to the mid-20th century avant-garde through Black Mountain College, which operated nearby from 1933 to 1957.

Art museums dedicated to the region's historic and contemporary artistic movements include the Asheville Art Museum, presenting exhibitions and public programs relating broadly to 20th- and 21st-century American art; Black Mountain College Museum + Arts Center, preserving the history and influence of Black Mountain College through exhibitions, public programs, and residencies;   and the Southern Highland Craft Guild's Folk Art Center, dedicated to Appalachian craft traditions.

Other arts centers and galleries in Asheville include the Flood Gallery Fine Arts Center, the Young Men's Institute Building Cultural Center, the Center for Craft, Blue Spiral 1, Tracey Morgan Gallery, and Momentum Gallery. Asheville's River Arts District is also known for its galleries, street art, and copious artists' studios, many of which are open to the public.

4. Reason for change being made:

The section as it stands right now lists only two among many arts-related institutions located in Asheville. The proposed edit is intended to reflect more comprehensive published information sources about the city's arts scene.

Cpfffr (talk) 22:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 17-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  14:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Asheville has been recognized as an art-friendly city, appearing in 2018 and 2019 in the top percentile among cities of its size on SMU/DataArts' Arts Vibrancy Index Please provide the Wikilink for the DataArts' Arts Vibrancy Index.
 * 2) Art museums dedicated to the region's historic and contemporary artistic movements include the Asheville Art Museum, presenting exhibitions and public programs relating broadly to 20th- and 21st-century American art; Black Mountain College Museum + Arts Center, preserving the history and influence of Black Mountain College through exhibitions, public programs, and residencies A bundle of four references are placed at the end of this sentence. These references are too numerous to be bundled this way. Please either select one reference which speaks to this information, or otherwise disperse the references amongst the claims which they reference, per WP:INTEGRITY.
 * 3) Other arts centers and galleries in Asheville include the Flood Gallery Fine Arts Center, the Young Men's Institute Building Cultural Center, the Center for Craft, Blue Spiral 1, Tracey Morgan Gallery, and Momentum Gallery. Please provide the Wikilinks for the Center for Craft, the Tracey Morgan Gallery, the Momentum Gallery, and the Young Men's Institute Center's Cultural Center.

Reply 17-FEB-2020
Thanks again for your help improving this page, Cpfffr (talk) 19:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) The Arts Vibrancy Index does not have a Wikipedia page. I believe it is uncontroversial to mention since the institution that compiles the data has a page, and there is sufficient coverage of the dataset/reporting in the references included in the section, as well as others that should support anyone's decision in the future to create a Wikipedia page for the dataset, i.e. ArtNet News, Philanthropy News Digest, and Arts Consulting Group. It seems to me that including these citations in the Asheville article just for the sake of mentioning the city's placement on the list would be overkill. The dataset is also referred to on the Wikipedia pages for several other cities included in its top percentiles, such as (of those I can find with a hasty search) Pittsfield, Massachusetts, Hood River, Oregon, and Glenwood Springs, Colorado. However, if you deem this dataset to be controversial, I am happy to rephrase the requested edit so that it is not mentioned by name but only used as a reference.
 * 2) Any one of the four references ending the clause about BMCM+AC should be sufficient to support the claim. Feel free to use just the most recent one.
 * 3) As above, some of the institutions listed do not yet have their own Wikipedia pages. I've included references from news sources for those ones to support their existence and significance in the context of the city's culture. Is multiple sourcing necessary in this instance for their inclusion? As above, if making the claim of the existence of these galleries is too controversial, just let me know and I'll delete them from the requested edit.

Art galleries

 * 1) Information to be added or removed: Black Mountain College Museum + Arts Center is a museum in downtown Asheville that presents exhibitions, performances, and other public programs related to the history and influence of Black Mountain College.
 * 2) Explanation of issue: The section as it stands right now lists only two among many notable arts-related institutions located in Asheville. The proposed edit adds one more. My previous edit request was declined on grounds of not being specific enough, having included other arts institutions and information in the request. Well, maybe I overshot.
 * 3) References supporting change: Mountain Xpress on opening of new location and Jacob Lawrence exhibition, Mountain Xpress on exhibition highlighting women of BMC, Broadway World on new location, exhibitions, and performance season, Charlotte Magazine on the history of the school & the museum.

Cpfffr (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 17-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  21:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) ❌ The claim regarding the Arts Vibrancy Index information was not added because the Wikilink for the index was not provided.
 * 2) ✅ The claim regarding BMCM+AC was added, as the Wikilink was provided.
 * 3) ❌ The other institutions were not added, as these were not independently notable in Wikipedia and the references provided for them did not originate from reliable, independent, WP:SECONDARY sources.

Changes to longstanding end matter organization
If it is to be changed, there should be a consensus here about it. If there isn't a consensus, the current headings and heading levels should be maintained and editors who make arbitrary changes to their own personal preferences may and should be reverted. See MOS:NOTES, WP:CITEVAR, and this arbitration ruling. Skyerise (talk) 05:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)