Talk:Ashland, Oregon/Archive 1

Local sources
Well, I wanted to synthesize a few more local sources for the History section, which I'm still not entirely happy with. More description/events seemed unwarranted; but it currently doesn't have much flow--each of the paragraphs is independent. Demi T/C 12:50, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)

Reversion by SimonP
SimonP reverted the following link by 67.42.208.146


 * Welcome to Ashland - Essentix's guide

It looks like a good edit to me. Can you let us know why it was reverted, or what was wrong, so we don't put it back if it doesn't belong? (note left on SimonP's talk page. (This was originally unsiged but written by Demi


 * What is wrong with it is that the user who added it was spamming Wikipedia with a number of links to their site. The site is merely one of hundreds that repackages public domain government content with large numbers of advertisements. - SimonP 07:05, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I think a travel link isn't a bad idea, though, so I've added a different one. Thanks! Demi T/C 07:54, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC)

Ashland History and Oregon Trail Discussion
Situated on what is now believed to have been the eastern shoreline of a prehistoric island shoreline, the Ashland area was eventually populated by various native American tribes.

Seeking a safer route to the area, two brothers, Jesse and Lindsay Applegate sought a southern road from the Willamette Valley. They followed much of what is now the I-5 corridor until reaching the southern reaches of the Bear Creek Valley. Turning east towards modern day Klamath Falls, the brothers and their 15-person party founded the Applegate Trail (a.k.a. South Emigrant Road). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.39.4.85 (talk • contribs) 03:51, September 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * Good stuff. Is there more information about the prehistory of Ashland. I understand that a major mastadon find happenened in town when a restaurant was built. Also that Ashland area was a major native american location and cross roads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 15:03, September 1, 2005 (talk • contribs).

Wasn't Ashland Mills a flour mill originally, not a lumber mill?Bentruwe (talk) 03:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

New Year's '97 Flood
I'm surprised this article does not talk about the extensive flooding that took place around New Year's Day in 1997. My understanding is that it permanently closed a number of local businesses (including the original Rogue Ales brewpub) and destroyed Lithia Park (the flooding is mentioned in that article but not here). Mike Dillon 01:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The article that you provide a link to doesn't say that the flood of 1997 "destroyed" Lithia Park. It says that it "damaged" the park.So Sylvie 19:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)So Sylvie

Sister cities
Can someone verify that Sarlat, France, is still a sister city of Ashland? It's not listed on the Sister Cities International site. Katr67 19:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I see the source is this site, but according to this discussion, I believe the cite is no longer valid. Katr67 19:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * There is one official sister city, Guanajuato, Guanajuato in Mexico. See  Sister Cities International

Notable Residents
Anyone know why Kitty May Ellis is being added and then deleted and then added again to the Notable Residents section? Just curious... Bradybd
 * The article was deleted after a deletion review, so all refs to the article were deleted. Cut to epic edit war. Then the article was undeleted for a "history only" undeletion. The article is an unstoppable force. It is up for AfD again... Katr67 21:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, sounds very intense. Thanks for the information!  Bradybd 06:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Incorrect Katr. The article was reposted and the review was reopened.  Then closed for *moribund* with *NO* result.  Therefore the article stays. Wjhonson 20:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Incorrect, Wjhonson. I did not say anything in the above about the article's ultimate fate. At the time I wrote the above, the article deletion was up for review, and the article was reposted per your request for a history only undeletion (which was agreed to by a user who was watching the deletion review). The review was closed after I wrote the above. I then unlinked the article from the Ashland article and others, in most cases leaving the text. I have no opinion regarding the final deletion or the conclusions you have drawn from the "moribund" designation. However, it is not the article Kitty May Ellis that you claim stays. Instead, it appears you have created a new article. Katr67 20:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The point being the article was incorrectly deleted, upon an inconclusive further review. Further review, doesn't mean "go with what was previous" it means "ask for New comments".  Other than mine, there were no new comments.  So the article should not have been deleted. Wjhonson 20:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

cleaned up some wiki links
I went through and cleaned up several links to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival, where some linked directly to the web site and others linked to the wiki article. I also cleaned up some wiki links for the school district and SOU. JSBillings 12:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Political leanings
The politics portion in the lead area needs to be made encylopedic. "Remarkably" should not be used, this is a value judgment. Give statistics such as the 2004 election info to demonstrate, but let the reader decide for themselves. Aboutmovies 03:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That whole paragraph probably should be removed. I tried finding information about the statistic in the archives of the Daily Tidings and the Mail Tribune without any luck.  JSBillings  13:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Went ahead and removed it since it has been a few days. They can add it back if they source it. Aboutmovies 07:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Added references for some census data
I've added references for a bunch of the statements about the population of Ashland. There are still a bunch of unreferenced statements that need to be fixed. I've also moved one of the citations in the references section into an inline ref tag. I have no clue what information was used from for the remaining citation in the references section, so I've left it as it is for now. The original author should probably find it, and fix the reference tags. JSBillings 13:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding some references. I replaced the references tag because it referred to the section about the local internet access, which is completely unreferenced. Also if you're planning to provide any more citations for population, I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed that the standardized rambot-produced demographics information (present in every city article in Wikipedia) is actually already adequately sourced. (That's the little 2 superscript at the start of the demographics section.) Happy editing! P.S. The history section is still pretty much unsourced so I'm going to add another refs tag. Katr67 14:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I'm pretty sure the unsourced history information comes from the book I left in the references section.  I don't have it on hand, so I can't be sure.  JSBillings  14:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CityOfAshlandLogo.png
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Notable "Residents"
Sure, there are more people who could be listed, such as Gary "Chicken" Hirsch, drummer with Country Joe and the Fish, who played at Woodstock and created the "Fish Cheer". But what about Jack Elam, who lived in Ashland a couple of years before his death? Also, are former actors at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival "residents", even if they only lived in Ashland a few months (as did Vladimir Nabokov)?DaKine 19:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think anybody can agree on a firm rule. I personally would draw the line at OSF actors who were just passing through (unless they have the stature of Kenneth Branagh or some such), and people who only were there to go to SOSC and didn't some other significant impact on the city. Nabokov might be acceptable because it's interesting (at least to me). Who would have thought he would have lived in Ashland at all, let alone a few months? That might be more in the realm of trivia though. I've seen a couple city articles that break down the notables section into "born", "lived in for several years", etc., but I think that's unnecessarily pedantic. I'm OK with anybody being included as long as there is a reliable reference to their Ashland connections in their articles, and of course as long as they are notable enough to have an article at all. Some people move around a lot, however--do we really need to keep track of every place a person is "from"? Your mileage may vary, but I bet we can work out any disputes on this talk page. Katr67 20:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful words, Katr67. The list of OSFA alumni is long and rich. Just off the top of my head, I can think of William Hurt, Jean Smart, Stacy Keach, Harry Anderson (who had a magic shop in Ashland, as well as being an actor), Kyle Maclachlan, and Dick Cavett .DaKine 04:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I had no idea. How come they aren't listed in the OSF article instead of all the redlinks I deleted from there recently??? And, hmmm, I take it back, I dunno if all those people should be listed in the "notable residents" section. (Except Mr. Anderson--it's cool he had a magic shop there) Perhaps link to a "see also" pointing to the actor's section of the OSF article? Branagh never passed through, though? Pity... Katr67 04:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Is the "touchy-feely controversy" really notable?
The recent edit said this controversy attracted national media attention, however, I only see two references, both local media. I'm removing the edit because it's not notable Ashland history. -- JSBillings  17:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Bill Kauth
Bill Kauth's name was recently deleted from the list of Notable Residents of Ashland by User:Jsbillings, saying he is not Notable, nor an Ashland resident.

To the first point: is Bill Kauth Notable?

Using WP:BIO as my roadmap, here's why I think he is Notable:

1. He is the author of A Circle of Men: The Original Manual for Men's Support Groups, a book that has been somewhat influential in the mythopoetic men's movement.  

2. He is a co founder of the Mankind Project, formerly known as the New Warriors Training Adventure, which has trained more than 40,000 men in 9 different countries.  

Does he live in Ashland?   

So what do you think? Is he notable and does he live in Ashland?

--DaKine 08:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that WP:BIO refers to articles about a person. I followed up on the article that was originally posted with his name in the Ashland article, and saw no references made to Ashland. --  JSBillings  12:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Ashland Daily Photo
I think this blog will be a nice addition to the page: traveljapanblog.com/ashland/ Alan case (talk) 04:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for contacting us instead of adding the link again. Unfortunately, links to blogs are not suitable for the external links section, per our external links guidelines. Specifically, the guidelines that state: "11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." See also: Spam. Please note that if you continue to spam links to this blog, I will be reporting your editing at WikiProject Spam, which may lead to your account being blocked and your link blacklisted. Per the warnings on your talk page and those of your IPs, please contribute content, not links. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Infrastructure
As stated in the article for Infrastructure we should not confuse Infrastructure with Public Services or Public Works. Therefore I added "Public Services" to this section title, since two of the items in the list are in that category, and alphabetized the list. Skol fir (talk) 19:25, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:USCITY for the standard layout. Katr67 (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked out both the WP:USCITY and the WP:MOS and updated my knowledge. Thanks for noticing the format of the section headers. I'll read through the whole MOS for my improvement. Skol fir (talk) 20:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ashland Oregon LocalsGuide
This is both a website and a monthly newspaper http://ashland.oregon.localsguide.com

Can someone please add this Thanks 66.241.77.59 (talk) 16:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC) Shields Bialasik Editor

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