Talk:Ashley Blue

Proposed deletion
This page was proposed for deletion on 29 May 2006 for non-notability. Since Ashley Blue appears to meet WP:PORN BIO (232 titles on IAFD, ~210 on AFDB, various AVN awards), I am de-PRODing this page. Spacepotato 12:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I expanded this page a lot as well. Very notable in deed, and she's reasonably interesting, as far as I am able to tell. :-) -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 15:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity
I remember reading somewhere that Ashley Blue is part Chinese. Can anyone verify that? She sure looks like she could be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pseudotriton (talk • contribs).

Date of birth
IMDB has her date of birth as 8th July 1981. Yay or nay? 80.43.12.32 23:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've changed it back, as every other site seems to have this date as well. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO? 00:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I went to high school with her. She was a year younger than me and I'm born in 1980, so her birth date is sometime in 1981. 71.129.88.71 19:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protect?
I think it may be necessary to take this page to semi-protected status given the continuing abuse... Valrith 20:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about the linkspam that keeps popping up, you're welcome to point it out to the admins. Problem is the link keeps getting added by a different IP address, so it's apparently not possible to block it. As well, I've found the same pattern of links being added to a number of other porn stars, Playboy playmates and nude models across Wikipedia (e.g., Anna Malle, Ava Devine, Aliya Wolf, Alison Waite, Neriah Davis, Kristi Cline, Tania Russof, Danni Ashe, Valentina Vaughn, Krista Kelly, Carrie Stevens, Buffy Tyler, Cady Cantrell, Eve Laurence, Tiffany Toth, etc., etc., ad nauseam). In fact, I'm slowly going through all the articles in the Playmate category to try and pull this idiot's linkspam out. Tabercil 21:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Relevance of video clip link
Ok, so I've been removing this link from the article for a while. Not only is it rich media, it's non-encyclopedic, not relevant to the article, etc. etc. Valrith 03:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, the only thing pertinent from it is her racial comments, seeing as she mentioned something in the past about not being racial, IIRC. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 00:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Holy Moses! What right-wing talk show was that? I would think porn stars usually are on the liberal side, knowing what they do for a living and whatnot. Pseudotriton 07:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Official Blog link
I put up a link to Ashley Blue's Blog and it was removed. This is her official Blog that she writes. If there is an important link on this page, this would be it, as it is coming directly out of her mouth. Please keep it up.
 * As someone who polices a lot of pornstar articles for invalid extlinks, this one DOES look valid. --Golbez 07:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a totally valid link to her Official Blog. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.105.21.38 (talk • contribs) 18:55, February 17, 2007 (UTC)
 * Official by what standard? How is this verifiable? Valrith 03:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's the question. I guess the only way to know is to email them for .. something, I dunno. Pick something. --Golbez 03:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Official by the fact that she writes it. You can see that her significant other is Dave Naz and she no longer is under contract for JM Productions in this article: http://avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=283434

The Blog is on Dave Naz's website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.105.21.38 (talk • contribs) 18:02, February 18, 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no evidence she writes it. Valrith 03:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Muslim comments
I just saw a video featuring ashley blue on liveleak.com in which she says she hates muslims. Shouldn't there be mention of her bigotry in this profile? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.131.130.163 (talk • contribs) 02:11, May 20, 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I am going to add it. Atari400 02:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Atari400, just to let you know, we can remove sourced comments from biography articles when they are negative and needlessly weight down the article. It would be like having a 30 year old drug possession conviction prominently placed in someone's article - it's simply not relevant. I'm not yet passing judgment on this paragraph, just letting you know that just because it's sourced doesn't mean it's sacrosanct. --Golbez 15:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced comments can be removed pending certain criteria, even though the process by which it is done can be highly subjective at times. I see no violation of Wikipedia policy in relation to the inclusion of this sourced material. It is clearly verifiable, certainly not gossip, and violates no notion of libel. In that case, the nature of Wikipedia then calls for consensus on the matter. I believe that her comments should be worked into the article in a manor better than it is currently presented. I also believe that the simple reason to include this information is that it is part of who she is and what she believes in as a public figure. Her statements were made in an obvious public setting, and in fact caused herself to be introduced to people who have never heard of her before(thanks to Youtube.com). She is a public figure, and clearly falls under the official policy of WP:BLP. Those statements have clear implications for her public relations image, and do show a rather unique view of her own personal feelings on bigotry and religious tolerance. From my experience, I think this dispute will most likely end up in arbitration, though it seems rather unnecessary. She did say this in public, and I see no evidence as of yet that she made a public retraction of it(which would also be included). Atari400 23:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Arbitration? Huh. And with all those links, it's almost like this was a prepared statement. I don't see any indication of needing RFC yet, let alone RFAr. --Golbez 00:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, nothing prepared about it, but I'll take that as a complement. As far as mediation or eventual arbitration is concerned, I dread the thought of it. In my experience though, these little things without discussion(and even with it) can turn into silly edit wars as such. A headache for all, no doubt. Hence, my wish for fruitful discussion. Atari400 00:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, I have no problem with the way the Muslim-hate statements are reported in the article. There's not a sixteen-sentence paragraph on the subject; as it is currently presented, it is salient and succinct. (If anything, she just represents the regrettable cultural zeitgeist in America right now, but that's more my opinion.) Regardless, the comments are well sourced, and she made the comments in public via satellite radio. It wasn't like she made it on some bulletin board unworthy of note. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 04:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The Anti-Muslim comments should be removed from the article. They are totally taken out of context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fashioncheque (talk • contribs) 19:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Having watched the interview myself, I don't see how. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your viewpoint? -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 19:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And in what context can "I hate Muslims" and "I fucking hate Muslims" be taken?Shabeki (talk) 07:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to keep that on the page, you should be fair about it and quote her response (from her blog )"A hypothetical question was posed to me regarding me fucking members of the kkk or al queda. It sounded like a joke to me, so I answered in a joking manner." http://www.davenaz.com/ashleyblue/2007/07/killing-joke.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fashioncheque (talk • contribs) 09:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. Thank you. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 16:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The Anti-Muslim comments should be removed from the article, as the proper sources are not sited. --Fashioncheque (talk) 19:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Per WP:OR, primary sources like youtube videos should not be used unless they have been published by reliable secondary sources. Youtube is not it. Morbidthoughts (talk) 05:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it's against policy to add any mention of the video, but it's clear that she wasn't joking about what she said. Eiad77 (talk) 12:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Spelling of Name
I've corrected this a number of times. Her name is spelled WRONG in the L.A. Weekly article. See Blogger profile for correct spelling: Oriana Small http://www.blogger.com/profile/16980649164992554631 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fashioncheque (talk • contribs)
 * In that case, you should provide a cite for it in the article. For future reference, you really need to start using the edit summary feature to explain the rationale for your changes. This allows other users to understand why the edits were done, particularly since no one here is capable of mind-reading.
 * From my own experience, I can tell you precisely the reasons why I reverted these corrections:
 * there was no justification for said changes in either the edit summary or on the talk page (the latter of which didn't happen until now);
 * in light of the LA Weekly article, these corrections were seen as minor attempts at vandalism or, at best, tests of the live editing feature.
 * Also, you should start signing your posts by either using the link in the toolbox below the editing field (simply click the link next to "Sign your username") or by typing -- ~ at the end of your comments on talk pages. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 22:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for letting me know. Now that you see what the correct spelling of Oriana's name is, are you going to change it? I've been blocked from making any changes.--Fashioncheque 00:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Checked the block logs... you haven't been blocked from editing. So you can change it. Just make sure to add a reference to it from her blog. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 00:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Birthname removal
Just wanted to give a bit more information on why I removed the birthname from the infobox as being unsourced. The cited article does not state that the name is her birthname. It may be, but the article does not actually back up that claim. Valrith (talk) 03:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Autobiography
Shouldn't be mention that Ms. Blue wrote an autobiography? http://www.amazon.com/Oriana-Small/e/B004UPHBU8

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