Talk:Ashley Young/Archive 1

Requested move
Ashley Young (footballer) → Ashley Young — The disambiguation page is pointless because the other article (Kitty Yung) has only Ashley Young listed as an alias and it makes sense for the real Ashley Young to have an article of his own Kingjamie 20:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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 * Support per nom. HornetMike 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Daemonic Kangaroo 22:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Qwghlm 00:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support -lol, "real Ashley Young". So long as there's a disambig notice at the top of the article. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs)
 * Support Ashley Young are not very common. Matthew _hk   t  c  11:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. м info 21:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Result

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was move. —Doug Bell talk 23:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Webcam story
Does the webcam story really have to be in this article? It's completely unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.37.115 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 6 June 2011
 * It is verifiable information. Wikipedia does not censor material and it is something that, rightly or wrongly, has become associated with him. Wikipedia provides all information about the subject as long as it is verifiable and sourced, it is here. Woody (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed it as only (as far as I can see) tabloids of questionable fact-checking reputation have covered the story. Please take to the biographies of living persons noticeboard if you disagree. Cheers, doom gaze   (talk)  20:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I endorse that decision, although would support re-addition if more reputable reliable sources are provided. —WFC— 20:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've looked and can't find any. I have a distinct recollection of reading it in the Times but I can't find it at the moment. I agree that the Mirror isn't the most reliable source so agree with it being removed for the moment. Woody (talk) 20:18, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * To be frank, I'm from the continent and I've definitely only ever heard of this player owing to his specific internet pleasuring habits becoming well-known worldwide. Grotesque as this episode may seem, it most definitely is one of his most ... er ... publicly covered achievements. ;-) 37.49.70.57 (talk) 21:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Edit request from SamiDar, 18 June 2011
SamiDar (talk) 08:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Avic ennasis  @ 17:32, 16 Sivan 5771 / 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Ashley Young moved to Manchester United in 2011 and has scored 0 goals and has had 0 appearances

Sources= Internet, TV, News

Turned down Man City?
Is it worth mentioning that Young turned down Manchester City, despite being offered more money than at Manchester United? 

– HonorTheKing (talk) 11:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not realy even if it would have been published by the BBC or The Guardian; Mirror and the Daily Mail are simply tabloids and have no problems publishing lies, or "reword" people words in order to sell more newspapers or get more traffic at thier website.

Edit Request Ashley Young Diving Reputation
Ashley young has got a reputation for diving.Two Weeks in a row ashley has won penaltys by diving.In the QPR match on 08/04/2012 Man united 2-0 QPR.Within the first quarter-hour, Ashley Young came from an offside position to track a pass through the middle of the QPR defense. As the pass came in, QPR captain Shaun Derry moved away and Ashley Young flung himself to the ground with no contact.Shaun Derry shown a straight red card.Wayne Rooney converted the 15th-minute spot-kick before Paul Scholes sealed the win for United with a long-range strike 22 minutes from time. Writing on Twitter, QPR chief Beard said: “Difficult to take after watching numerous replays but Ashley Young could partner Tom Daley (British Olympic diver) at the Olympics.”QPR director Ruben Emir Gnanalingam was also aggrieved, pointing to the fact Young also appeared to be offside in the lead-up to the incident, adding: "It was offside and a dive by Young! Alex Ferguson's luck with calls continues. Just wish there was video technology!" For the second week in row against Aston Villa Ashley young went to ground in the penalty box with no contact ciaran clark moved his body away and Ashley Young dived to the ground.From the Sun Newspaper ASHLEY YOUNG sparked another cheat storm last night following his theatrical tumble against Aston Villa. The Manchester United winger was slated by fellow pros. Newcastle’s Ryan Taylor tweeted: “Ashley Young is an absolute disgrace. He’s the biggest cheat in the league. His antics are a joke.” Taylor later deleted the post but added: “Winds me up watching fellow professionals dive mate. He doesn’t need to. He’s an international.

From the Guardian Young, as those who have followed his career closely since he left Watford in 2007 will tell you (and this football reporter watched more than half of his games in an Aston Villa shirt), has been diving for years, not just in the past two weeks. Indeed, within minutes of the United game ending, a Midlands reporter with another newspaper texted me with the following message: "Been at it again, hasn't he?" And that is how Young's behaviour at Old Trafford will be viewed by many, including some of his fellow professionals. Although the subject has come to prominence now, on the back of controversial penalty incidents involving Young at Old Trafford on successive weekends, the reality is that the winger has been booked for diving while playing for Villa and England. He received a yellow card for the offence while playing against Arsenal in 2009 and was booked for simulation in an England shirt, against Montenegro at Wembley, the following year.

At Villa Park, the unsavoury side to Young's game became a source of annoyance to the supporters who recognised his significant contribution to the team but grew increasingly frustrated with the way that he often exaggerated fouls by throwing himself in the air.

It became a popular theme on Villa message boards, where fans expressed their anger at the sight of him diving (after all, who wants to see one of their own players cheating?), and the subject was also brought up in pre- and post-match press conferences, much to the annoyance of Martin O'Neill, the manager who signed him from Watford and always defended him.

Young pleaded his innocence but the evidence against the winger was, and continues to be, compelling. His signature dive, which we have seen against Villa and Queens Park Rangers in the past two weeks, and on numerous occasions before, ends up with him being spread-eagled in midair, often after minimal contact. It is quite a position to get into and requires the arms to be outstretched to cushion the landing, especially as the head is closer to the ground than the feet. Some photographers have proved particularly good at capturing the moment.

Here's Andy Hooper's picture in the Daily Mail of the dive that earned Young a booking against Montenegro. And here's the Reuters photo on the Guardian website, showing Young's tumble against Aston Villa on Sunday. This Getty Images picture shows Young flying through the air while playing for Villa against Portsmouth. And, finally, here's a United supporters' site showing, lower down the page, in stages, Young's "theatrical" fall against QPR.

It should be acknowledged that Young is not alone in practising the darker arts, although, rightly or wrongly, we expect better from an England international who has been brought up playing football in a culture where the offence is frowned upon by players, managers and supporters. It is certainly not in keeping with United's traditions, which perhaps helps to explain Ferguson's reaction.

It is not surprising that there has been little sympathy for Young. Gary Neville and Jamie Redknapp agreed that there was no need for him to fall to the floor against QPR, when Shaun Derry was harshly sent off despite making only slight contact, and Ray Wilkins and Dwight Yorke both felt that Young "made a meal" of the challenge that led to the early penalty in the Villa game.

Some will argue that Lee Mason and Mark Halsey, the referees in charge of the QPR and Villa matches, should have spotted that Young was guilty of simulation and booked him. It is a fair point, although Wilkins made a better one when he said: "These young men have got to make it easier for referees."

In other words, point the finger of blame at the players who cheat, rather than the referees whom they intend to deceive. Young, in short, needs to clean up his act.There has to some mention of Ashley young diving reputation and Man Utd two recent wins in this Wikipedia Page. == Edit request from Danny 80y, 15 Apr, 2012 Danny 80y (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Puffin  Let's talk! 18:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The sources are http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/16/ashley-young-dive,http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1046491/qpr-accuse-man-utd%27s-ashley-young-of-diving-on-twitter?cc=5739 ,http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2130121/Ashley-Young-biggest-cheat-Premier-League-says-Ryan-Taylor.html?ito=feeds-newsxml. Danny 80y (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 19:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Regardless of sources, this passage is entirely negative and inappropriate for an encyclopaedic entry. See the biography of living persons policy and more specifically the sections on article tone and the repeating of gossip as to why we cant allow this.  elektrik SHOOS  (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

There is hardly any information on Ashley Young Man Utd Career it was last updated on April 2nd 2012,It is April 17th and the whole Uk from Football Fans ,to Journalists ,Newspapers and The media are talking about his diving even the PFA chairman Clarke Carlisle was spoken about it.I think there should be at least a mention of the two games Man Utd played against QPR and Aston Villa where Ashley Young awarded penalty's which Wayne Rooney scored both times and atleast one sentence about Ashley Young diving or a summary on the topic. Young has been awarded more penalties than any other Premier League player in the last two seasons Fact.Not all Passages on Football Players are postive for example on Cristiano Ronaldo Wikepidia page it says  Ronaldo had influenced referee Horacio Elizondo's decision by aggressively complaining, after which he was seen in replays winking at the Portuguese bench following Rooney's dismissal he's a living person and there are other examples ,you can't ignore the facts and there has a mention on the situation that have being the main talking point of each Football Match in the Media. --Danny 80y (talk) 22:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The objection isn't so much with mentioning the recent controversy. The main issue is that it's not clear precisely what you think we should add. In my opinion it's okay to mention the controversy in some way, but there are a few things we need to bear in mind:


 * 1) It needs to be reasonably short, so that what we write about diving is not completely disproportionate to the rest of the article.
 * 2) It should try to avoid being sensationalist. For example, it might be appropriate to say that he has been accused of "diving" or "cheating", backed up by reliable sources of prominent people in the game using those exact words. It probably wouldn't be appropriate to quote word-for-word a Tweet that even Ryan Taylor himself felt he should delete.
 * 3) The alternative point of view (however laughable you find it) should also be explored, so that it is left to the reader to decide whether or not Ashley Young is a diver. PFA Chairman Clarke Carlisle's view, for example.
 * —WFC— 00:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)