Talk:Ashtead

Untitled
Have cleaned up the article, and propose to remove the cleanup tag in a week or two if no objections. Wikipete 14:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems alright to me - I've reformatted the Pepys quote to make sure it conforms to WP:MOS, but I don't see anything else objectionable. I'd like to see a bit more content, of course. -- Scjessey 15:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Town or Village?
This might help: Sign -- Scjessey 16:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Famous People
Added Rupert Gould. I can't work out how to annotate the reference (8). Litvore (talk) 12:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Spelling variants
Currently the article states "Until 1967, Ashtead railway station had "Ashtead" and "Ashstead" displayed on station name plates hanging on opposite platforms". Anyone got a reference for this interesting fact? Polyamorph (talk) 11:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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Merge of material from Grey Wings, Ashtead to this article
Grey Wings, Ashtead is a Grade II-listed private house. It currently has its own article, which is infrequently visited (just over one view per two days). In order to increase visibility, I propose moving the material to the Notable buildings and landmarks section of this page. The Grey Wings article would be left as a redirect (with categories remaining in place). Please comment / support / oppose below. Thanks and best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 19:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merger - A sensible proposal, given that Grey Wings is barely notable on its own and inextricably linked with Ashtead itself. -- Scjessey (talk) 20:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merger Unless there is a lot more to be said about the building on its own then inclusion in the main article would be the sensible option. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merge per nom. Polyamorph (talk) 10:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Preparing for Good Article nomination
Hi All! I've been working on the Ashtead article over the past month or so and would like to nominate it for a Good Article review in a few weeks' time. I'd be very grateful for feedback on how to improve the article further. In particular, I'd appreciate some input into refining the lead section and for any photos that might help illustrate the later sections. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks and best wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 15:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I feel like the popular Ashtead nomenclature of "The Village" and "Lower Ashtead" isn't really given any mention. I have not lived in Ashtead since the mid '80s, but I know those terms were prevalent at the time. I found a random site on the web that mentions them, and also some other information that may be of interest, although its worth as a source is questionable. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi I agree and the obvious place to introduce and explain these terms is in the location and topography section. As you say, the difficulty is finding a reliable source and I suspect that different residents will have different definitions!
 * I've never personally lived in Ashtead, but I had school friends who did. I am certainly familiar with the term "Lower Ashtead", which I understood to mean the areas on both sides of Barnett Wood Lane. The A history of Ashtead book edited by J.C. Stuttard uses the strict historical definition (derived from the area of the former Little Ashtead manor) and says that the term should only be used for the rectangle bordered by Barnett Wood Lane, Agates Lane, Ottways Lane and Harriots Lane. Ordnance Survey maps also seem to use the same boundaries. The 'random site' that you've mentioned says that Lower Ashtead is "to the north" - which presumably means around Craddocks Avenue. Do any of these definitions match yours?
 * I've also heard people talk about "The Village" or "Ashtead Village", by which I think they mean the shops along The Street (A24). I can't find any reference in the Stuttard book. (I will need to go to the library to check the Jackson book and other printed sources.)
 * It would be really great to incorporate (and define) these terms, but I agree that we will really struggle with finding (a) decent source(s). What do you think? Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * My understanding is not quite the same as yours. I was under the impression "Ashtead Village" is the area surrounding the shops on "The Street" (A24), whereas "Lower Ashtead" is the area surrounded the shops on Craddocks Avenue; however, Google Maps suggests that is not the case and that "Lower Ashtead" is the area to the south of the railway track and the west of Woodfield Lane, which actually makes a lot more sense from a geographical standpoint. Another possibility to consider, and I will admit to pulling this straight out of my arse, is that The Village is at a higher elevation than Lower Ashtead, with the source of The Rye being to the east of Ashtead Park and flowing past my old home in Oak Way before heading towards Ashtead Common. -- Scjessey (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Google maps is wrong, Craddock parade is certainly lower Ashtead. The "village" around the street (a24) is upper Ashtead. Needs sources though. Polyamorph (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * This L&DLHS paper says "The area held by Merton Abbey was a portion of a larger area later known historically as Little Ashtead, or Lower Ashtead, [a term in recent times confusingly transferred to the area near the railway on the north side of Ashtead on road signs and elsewhere]."
 * This Guardian article says "Lower Ashtead, by the station".
 * This MVDC document says "North of The Village is Lower Ashtead - an extensive residential area of varying period and character. It includes an important secondary local shopping centre on Craddocks Parade and a smaller parade of shops on Barnett Wood Lane."
 * I suspect that the MVDC document is the closest we will be able to find to a 'definition' that matches current local opinion as reported by User:Polyamorph. Printed books are likely to stick to the strict historical definition based on the boundaries of Little Ashtead manor.
 * Best wishes, Mertbiol (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes! The MVDC document more closely aligns with what I thought. For the record, I lived in Ashtead between 1971 and 1988. Went to school at St. Giles, Greville and Therfield. -- Scjessey (talk) 22:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi   I have added an additional paragraph under the location and topography heading. I hope this fairly reflects your understanding, the information in the sources and the apparent change in the definition over recent decades. Can you take a look and let me know what you think please? Thanks Mertbiol (talk) 10:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Polyamorph (talk) 10:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Very happy with this, although I think "focused" is probably a more prevalent spelling than "focussed" nowadays. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks both - this has been very helpful. Please let me know if you have comments on the rest of the article. I am planning to submit the GA nomination in mid-June to give others time to leave their feedback. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)