Talk:Asian arowana

Upcoming Major Edit
I am currently working on a major edit to the Asian Arowana section and would appreciate any people who have particular interest in this article to keep a close eye out over the next week and comment on any changes. This will include changes to: Breeding, Identification, Commercial Aspects, Micro chipping, Recent licensing changes, future licensing changes planned, Genetic Research, Common Ailments, Feeding Advice, Footnotes, Images.

ShockTherapy (talk) 09:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Major edit
Having come across an article on the redescription of Asian arowanas (Pouyad, Sudarto & Teugels, 2003), I'm going to rewrite parts of this article to reflect the new species described. Ginkgo100 19:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just posted the major revision. It's definitely not where it needs to be, but I wanted to get the "in use" template off there ASAP. Ginkgo100 17:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Towards FA
The article is looking great, but I suspect it'll have to be more comprehensive to become Featured. I don't see myself helping out much on this one, but I can suggest some new material, if you know where to find it: Melchoir 19:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Quantitative measurements on physical characteristics: how long are the fish, how large is that caudal fin, how long do they live in the wild or in captivity...
 * Do they jump like the other Arowanas?
 * Vernacular names among the natives
 * Life cycle
 * Is there anything interesting to say about their first description in 1844?
 * Are they found in early art or poetry?


 * Good ideas. Thanks for your response. These are all great directions for expanding the article. I have a copy of the journal article by Pouyaud et al. which includes quantitative measurements. Also, Excaliburhorn added that Asian arowanas can be imported into several countries not including the U.S. Does anybody know what countries they can legally be imported into? --Ginkgo100 talk · contribs 03:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Although they are illegal to possess in my country (the U.S.), they are popular in other countries where they can be traded under certain restrictions. Therefore, I'm adding some information on keeping Asian arowanas in aquariums. --Ginkgo100 talk · contribs 20:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

GA Fail
I initial inclination was to pass this article, but there are just too many sections vital to articles on living things missing. If the issues below are addressed, I will be happy to pass it.

While I feel like I now have a basic understanding of these fish, and what deliniates the different varieties, there are a few things I'd still like to see added to the article:
 * 1) Research studies are mentioned twice (both times descriptions of new species) without being referenced. If possible, add a inline citation for each of those citing the original work that described the species. I added a citation needed template to each of them so they are easy to find.
 * 2) Although you briefly mention habitat and diet in the intro, I would like to see this info, as well as info on species behavior, fleshed out more elsewhere. Are they associated with any other fish or organisms in their natural habitat? What is their natural water temperature? etc.
 * 3) Are any factors other than capture for pet trade affecting these fish? Habitat destruction? If so, mention.
 * 4) I would also like to see a section on species behavior (I realize we are covering four species here and it might differ, but if some generalizations can be made, that'd be great). For example, do they feed in groups? Do they school? Are they agressive?
 * 5) What about courtship/mating/reproduction? A section describing this would be great.
 * 6) Please include measurements in the description, such as length, weight, etc.
 * For many of these suggested paragraphs (ecology, morphology, behavior, etc.) you can look at animal or plant articles that have reached FA or GA status for examples of how this is done if you are unsure.

Other than that, looks good! Drop a line on my talk page when you've fixed these. Thanks! --NoahElhardt 15:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * All my concerns have been met, this article now easily passes GA standards. Well done! --NoahElhardt 16:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Issues
I have been considering sending this over to Good Article review; it seems to be lacking some key points. Per the GA criteria, Any thoughts on how we can clean this up? Thanks, --TeaDrinker (talk) 22:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well written I have fixed a few of the more obvious issues, but the lead does not seem to really describe the importance of the fish. Taxonomy discussion seems excessive, the diet never seems to come up again (see below), and there's a sense it is just an amalgamation of facts more than a clear definition of the subject and its importance.  The taxonomy is poorly integrated, with two lists containing what seems to be the same breakdown from different sources.
 * Factually accurate I removed the one uncited line which seemed to contradict later, cited information, but I lack any significant expertise here. I have not verified the information from sources.  The IUCN data was updated in 2011, which is not reflected in the article.
 * Broad in coverage Key information seems to be missing. The behavior section is rather scant. There's one line on diet in the lead, a couple in "care in captivity." If the lead is accurate, cultural beliefs are relevant, but that's an empty heading at the moment.  Habitat information is scattered among different sections, rather than in a section of its own.
 * Neutral Seems reasonably neutral.
 * Stable Seems stable.
 * Illustrated Well illustrated. If there were a diagram illustrating the morphology being described in the description section, it would help, but I don't think it is required.

Taxonomy
I think there should be some sort of discussion as how to handle the taxonomy, if anyone else is interested. There seems to be limited evidence of the varieties being distinct enough to be considered separate species. I've read 4 sources which don't seem to think there is enough variation to warrant new species, I'll cite those in the article, which find enough variation within the color populations, as well as using multiple genes. The Pouyaud et al. paper used just cytb, and morphometrics. It looks like they are more phenotypic than genetic differences based on what I'm reading. Based on this, I think it should be handled as one species, and phenotypic varieties. Also, the two citations in the first sentence (Some sources differentiate these varieties into multiple species), ITIS and the Pouyaud et al. paper are circular, because ITIS cites the Pouyaud et al. paper as justification for those additional species. Esox id talk•contribs 22:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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