Talk:Asian brown cloud

Repeated vandalism
I remove the part about the flatulence since it is most likely a joke. One Stanford website mentions that it has something to do with the use of cattle dung as fuel, while the linked websites mentions "human activities" but do not specify what activity.

--BK--


 * Word choice aside, merely due to the fact that particulates are a critical component here, it is dubious that flatulence would play any part. No source makes it even that much harder a sell. -Onceler 17:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Various anons keep adding the phrase "including human and bovine farts". There is no support for this in the sources, and thus I will continue to remove it. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Not that vandalism templates have helped much in the long term, but they do tend to bring attention from admins more quickly for repeated vandalism from the same IP address. I don't know what else one can do.  The history for this page reveals countless reverts for the same text.  Since it is pretty clear the same person or group of people is involved with this recurring vandalism, in the past, I have gone right to level 4: Asian Brown Cloud .  Feel free to paste that on the talk page of the latest IP address doing this. -Onceler 17:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I would suggest using level 3, i.e. Asian Brown Cloud if it is clear that it is being given against a person who has vandalised before (e.g. same syle of edits)- otherwise use test1. Using test3 still gives admins the opportunity to block without further warning, whilst preventing a reduction in the impact of test4 (as admins will not automatically block after a test4 if it is not deemed appropriate). I will keep a watch on this article and semi-protect again if it gets really bad. Petros471 09:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Atmospheric Brown Cloud
The term "Asian Brown Cloud" is now deemed incorrect after India and China protested against the use of "Asian" in the nomenclature. It is now called "Atmospheric Brown Cloud". I suggest that the article name be changed to "Atmospheric Brown Cloud" and the term "Asian Brown Cloud" be redirected accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkdeshmukh (talk • contribs) 22:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The term is actually quite accurate and would correspond to a similar phenomenon across Europe during the 1960s. The protest is however in itself interesting and should be discussed in the article. Is there a proper reference? Gabriel Kielland (talk) 21:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The UNEP impact assessment could form a basis for a second article "Atmospheric Brown Cloud". See . Will you do it? Gabriel Kielland (talk) 23:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont think there's a need for a second article. "Atmospheric Brown cloud" is now the accepted term in the revised UNEP report. Please refer to the following news report. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkdeshmukh (talk • contribs)
 * The article deals mostly with the brown cloud that is found over Asia. Thus I think the current title is more accurate. -Atmoz (talk) 22:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The news article is not noteworthy as every source is anonymous. Claimed sources are "The Indian scientific community" and "an official familiar with the debate". Is there anything more substantial? Gabriel Kielland (talk) 13:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that there is no need for a second article, or to rename this one. The change in the UN nomenclature was obviously a political decision, and not necessarily in favour of accuracy. --Bejnar (talk) 23:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Separate South Asia/Indian Ocean from China ?
Should the two brown clouds have separate articles? The South Asia/Indian Ocean one has been much more extensively studied, and many of the statements in this article refer only to it. Any brown cloud in China appears to be much more industrially based than the South Asia/Indian Ocean one. When I first started seeing mentions of China in this article, I wondered if someone was confusing air pollution in China with the distinct brown cloud that is permanent, albeit varies seasonally, over portions of South Asia and the Indian Ocean. For example the first sentence of the article mentions China, but the two references that are cited do not mention China at all. I have corrected the lead sentence to reflect the cited sources. For example, southwest asia includes iran, turkey and Armenia which are not covered by the brown cloud. --Bejnar (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Buy American
To what extent has the decision by several corporations to abandon America at every level except retail and management had? How much of that brown cloud results from exported goods? Zaphraud (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Very little, the primary source is wood fires and biomass burning. Read the cited reports. --Bejnar (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Impact
A large section was added in Oct 2010 to impacts. It seems to be a general discussion of air pollution and not directly related to the topic of this article. Aside from the editor who added it, does anyone else believe that it belongs here? --Bejnar (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

This appears to be an inflated number quoted out of context
"Health One major impact is on health. A 2002 study indicated nearly two million people die each year, in India alone, from conditions related to the brown cloud.[11]" If this is true, then it accounts for about 10 percent of yearly mortality in India. It probably refers to all respiratory related deaths in India, and not atmospheric related deaths. Since the reference link does not let you read the whole article it is not clear. The next reference (14 http://www.unep.org/pdf/ABCSummaryFinal.pdf) says 337,000 for India and China. This is a much more believable number. The sentence should be deleted or the more reasonable number should be inserted or an explanation posted here with quotes from the first article.

Avram Primack (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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