Talk:Asiatic cheetah

Only big cat that can be tamed?
How about all those lions and tigers who work in circuses? I thought all felines can be tamed if they get human contact early enough in their lives.  Durova  04:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There are lions that have been raised by humans, the same goes for all big cats, but these are still dangerous and even more so when they grow up. The big cats will still possess behviour which is impossible to tame regardelss of the human contact they recieve. Unfortunately, other big cats raised by humans are unable to be controlled by their owners when they becomes adults and cannot be released into the wild since they did not grow up there and do not have the necessary survival skills. Often, these ones are put down. Hope that helps. Ben (talk) 20:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

External links Asiatic Cheetah, Asiatic Lion, Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary, Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project, etc.
I noted that the articles you have been working on have far too many external links. There should be a minimal number of "important sites". If there are articles etc. relevant to the article then they can be referenced in the text as notes. A sea of external links is practically useless since the important ones are diluted. David D. (Talk) 21:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi David the Extra "External Links" in the Wildlife articles I have been working on and the Extra External links you have been removing

Hi David

First of all let me thanks you for helping with the wildlife articles I have been working on

Asiatic Lion, Kuno Wildlife Sanctuary, Asiatic Lion Reintroduction Project, etc.

I know you have been removing all the external links I had added in all these and other articles, but you see I am not an experienced writer on Wikipedia, all the external links that I added are actually what I read before writing of editing the article,


 * Hence they should have been included in the "References" section that I didnt make, and I didnt add a "Further Reading" section, wher all the links should have been added.

If you now see the inbreeding section in Asitic Lions, references have been correctly added as an inset within the article, like you were also suggesting, ..... you might want to see how that section was written after pressing edit, also see what appears after pressing edit on "Cited References", if done prperly the "Wikipedia software" automatically tabulates references under the "Cited References" heading, please see when you get time.

All external links will have to be added in "References" section and under "Further reding" sections which were missing, my mistake.... I have been not getting much time to comtribute on wikipedia.

Thanks again

Atulsnischal 06:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Atulsnischal, sounds like you are getting the right idea. I'll help out with formatting as I see these come up on my watchlist. David D. (Talk) 04:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Original references
if they are used for the writing of the article then cite them in the approppriate place with the inline ref. David D. (Talk) 04:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Asiatic Cheetah
it was use for hunt

his names in arabic Al-Fahd Al-Arabi and Fahd Sayyad which mean  Cheetah hunter bedouin use this animal for hunt

The bedouin lived in the past with the maximum conditions and The urgent need to live >> they training Cheetahs on hunt

Picture of man from Shammar tribe with Asiatic Cheetah ( Fahd Sayyad) in 1925 in Arabian Peninsula

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9127/49324324bo9.jpg

but this animal extinction Arabian Peninsula from 50 years now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.132.141.185 (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

new pic
add this pic to the article



The picture was taken in 1925 of man from Shammar tribe with Asiatic Cheetah ( Fahd Sayyad or Fahd Alrabi)..bedouin use this animal for hunt. --Hisham ibn Oamr Alharbi 11:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Where did you find it? Funkynusayri 00:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Undone. The image is not appropriate as the taxobox image. In addition, it looks like a dead cheetah, not one used as a hunting companion. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

bedouin use this animal for hunt and the Most Famous who use animals to hunt was the Abbasid Caliph Abu Abbas As-Saffah
 * Is that policy? Better that than an unfree image, I'm sure many would agree. At least until we have a free photo of a specimen. Funkynusayri 06:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

this animal was Spread in the past in the Arab region, Iran, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia

It was seen for the last time in 1959 in the Negev Desert

In Jordan has been killed with another small female in the year 1962

In Egypt, has been seeing another 2 Asiatic Cheetah in the Sinai desert in 1946

In Yemen, was seen for the last time in 1963

In Kuwait has been another las of him in 1949

In Iraq, it was another recording in 1947/1948 when Asiatic Cheetah collided with a car and killed in the Syrian desert, in western Iraq

In the north of the Saudi oil workers killed 26 Asiatic Cheetah in 1950, in Saudi Arabia the last Cheetas Have been killed near Ha'il in 1973-1977.

In Oman in Difar Has been killed last one in 1977--Hisham ibn Oamr Alharbi 03:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:STALKING Comment also copied here from discussion pages Genetic pollution and Genetic Erosion
How can you expect to not have problems with the POV section that you have cut and pasted into multiple articles? At present you have refused every opportunity to discuss this matter and just revert my edits accusing me of stalking. This is hopeful on your part, and you seem to think that if you say it enough it will become true. If you keep refusing to dicuss this issue i will remove that section from every article you have placed it. It reads like a political scree and is not neutral enough for wikipedia. You need to discuss how this section can be made more neutral, an opportunity that hs been present to you on at least two different talk pages. I am within my rights to remove this section if you choose to ignore all discussion. David D. (Talk) 04:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have already made it neutral enough, i spent days on it, your POV accusation is based on previous POV comments on Genetic pollution discussion page which came when I started the article and wrote two lines on it, i spent a week on it afterwards finding and using references and nuteral enough language, it states the truth. Definitely you have stalked me to my other articles over the months so there you go, I am busy now with other stuff in life. Kindly dont stalk me and bother me and do some constructive contributions instead to wikipedia. Please dont leave comment after comment for me on my talk page it has been bothering me, you are definitely causing stress, and my WP:STALKING accusation for you holds true. Atulsnischal (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Your stalking accusations are unwarranted. I have been a long time contributor to GMO and biology topics here. Why shouldn't I take an interest in genetic erosion-type articles? Why do you think I even noticed your edits in the first place? Show me evidence of my edits not being constructive; almost all my edits have been to help your articles grow. You just can't see it in this case because you happen to disagree with my opinion (one that others share too).


 * When were those discussions and collaborative edits that led you to improve the POV of this text? To date, I have seen no evidence that you have been willing to receive independent input on this topic.


 * It’s a shame that you are unwilling to discuss this content dispute and instead try to change the subject and avoid any dialog. Is this your way of informing us you are unwilling to discuss any on the content you have inserted into multiple articles? Your input would be welcome but not necessary. David D. (Talk) 18:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:STALKING
So by changing the title of this topic and the subsequent removal of the dialog is your way of informing us you are unwilling to discuss any on the content you have inserted into mulitple articles? Your input would be welcome but not necessary. David D. (Talk) 18:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Listen I have Archived our previous conversation - it is in my talk page Archives, your edits are based on and motivated with WP:STALKING me on Wikipedia which you have been doing since the last year or so, outcome can not be healthy and I dont want to argue with you. Please do not go to my contributions page for following me from there to articles I have been working on, that is called stalking. Please dont get into ego clashes and personality clashes with people, just find articles randomly for contributing.

Hope it makes sense, also I did inform that I am busy with other stuff in life.

Best wishes, hope you will leave me alone.

Atulsnischal (talk) 21:25, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

ALL THE PICTURES ARE NOT IN THE SAME COLOUR.ONE IS IN COLOUR PHOTO ANOTHER ONE IS IN BLACK.NO RATING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE PROJECT AND TO THE WIKIPEDIA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.32.160 (talk) 00:33, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Re-population of Caspian Tiger Range with closely related Siberian / Amur Tiger in exchange for Asiatic Cheetah
Iranian and Russian ecologists are planning a joint project designed to return to the wild the Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic Cheetahs in the Central Asian region. These big cats had disappeared, the Asiatic Cheetah from Russia and Caspian Tiger from Iran, some half a century ago. Latest genetic studies have shown that the Russian or Amur Tiger is related and virtually identical to the extinct Caspian Tigers and hence will be used to repopulated the Caspian Tiger range in exchange for Asiatic Cheetahs.


 * this sources are wrong! the exchange was Persian leopard not Asiatic cheetah! please remove this section from this wiki page.
 * here is some references:

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_tiger#Re-population_ideas

News: http://iwpr.net/report-news/big-cat-swap-raises-questions

and from Kremlin website: http://programmes.putin.kremlin.ru/en/tiger/news/18372

Persian.palas (talk) 12:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Use the NEWS ARTICLES listed here to improve this article
Asiatic Cheetah Blog.

Thanks mrigthrishna (talk) 23:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Colour photo
There's a colour photo on commons but I'm not sure that it's an Asiatic one : Elfast (talk) 13:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

It is an Asiatic cheetah. This one in the photo and the species all have winter coats, longer fur on the belly and the back of the neck, a powerful neck at that, which all four African cheetah species don't have. Also, we have a new taxobox image here.--FierceJake754 (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like a copyright violation. FunkMonk (talk) 23:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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using newspaper articles as source
In general, I never trust journalists reporting survey results about wildlife. Three recent examples: Therefore, I suggest to use only peer-reviewed articles as reference, that are written by trustworthy wildlife biologists who know the area. For recent records of Asiatic cheetah in Iran, this would be foremost Iranian authors. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 11:52, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * a Pakistani newspaper reported a dead cheetah in south-eastern Pakistan; the journo speculated that this animal must have come from the Thar desert in India, i.e. more than 200 km away!! But the photo displayed with this article showed a fishing cat; this photo was from the newspaper's archive.
 * an Indian newspaper reported a fishing cat hit by a vehicle in north-western India and showed an archive photo of a cheetah.
 * an Indian newspaper reported a leopard that had fallen into a well and was rescued by villagers; the vdo of the rescue operation showed a fishing cat.


 * I see. I have to admit that what you said is true. Sometimes, journalist reports may not be valid sources, as someone said that there were only 2 female Asiatic cheetahs remaining considering the records of births of several Asiatic cheetah cubs born before -- such report was denied soon later, as there is no way that there are only 2 females left. The species is indeed on the rise. Perhaps, I was wrong for adding such references in the first place. My apologies. I should add valid sources from authors or wildlife biologists who has real knowledge of the subjects. In that case, I'd have to remove that reference though.--FierceJake754 (talk) 05:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


 * What about the rather plentiful news coverage in Iran about cheetahs being spotted in Khar Turan National Park going on now? Leo1pard (talk) 16:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hm. I checked the report. It is pretty legit though. Why not?--FierceJake754 (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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Leo1pard (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Extinct??
I found in a book Asiatic Cheetah as an extinct species. Is it really extinct or Critically endangered?? Dipimani Saikia (talk) 03:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

wikipedians are always confirming their attitutes
Last day i found a news about a female with her 4 cubs, i published the link and then, the link vanished. And don't tell me that Youtube is not accepted, there are thousands if not millions YT links all around the wikis. And this was a ufficial news announced, not a fake claimed by someone without importance!

That's why i progressively quit wikipedia editing, too dumb censorship without a gram of common sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.11.3.98 (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Supreme Court allows introduction of African Cheetahs in India
https://www.oneindia.com/india/supreme-court-allows-introduction-of-african-cheetahs-in-india-3022601.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.33.5.73 (talk) 17:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Iran spy case and torture
Thus

https://iranwire.com/en/features/6777 Zezen (talk) 19:39, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Reintroduction
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57313563 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChilternGiant (talk • contribs) 19:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Reintroduction section
I object to 's removal of the entire reintroduction section. Granted that the reintroduced subspecies is not A. j. venaticus; but a summary of Cheetah reintroduction in India is still very appropriate here. Possibly the section could be condensed some more. Also a reminder that this is a Good Article, and removing 5k of material had better be discussed beforehand. (And it would be nice if we could do this without mudslinging about the usual Indian grandiosity or grandiose (huh...) claims of expertise from having written part of an another article.) -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with Elmidae that the removal of such a big chunk of text requires prior discussion ! – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to add a summary of the efforts made to reintroduce the Asiatic cheetah from Iran in the 1970s and 1980s. But we can't have anything about the introduction of the Southeast African Cheetah, because it is being introduced in a number of other countries as well.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  09:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In other words, the SEAfrican cheetah introduction (not reintroduction) properly belongs to the Southeast African cheetah page, where it is described (with accompanying pictures) in the section Southeast_African_cheetah, subsection "Outside Africa." Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  09:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I've now rewritten the section, sourcing it from Cheetah reintroduction in India, giving primacy to the plans for the reintroduction of the Asiatic cheetah which did not come to pass, and briefly describing the recent introduction of the African cheetahs and the scientific reaction to it. I believe it is significantly better than the incoherent account that had been in place, good article or not. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  10:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that looks like a nicely comprehensive section now to me. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)