Talk:Asikni (goddess)

Requested move 21 December 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved as per suggestion  .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 19:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

(non-admin closure) Panchajani → Asikni – Both the names refer to the same lady but Asikni is the COMMON NAME and should be moved. Many scholarly books including Puranic Encyclopaedia by Vettam Mani and Hinduism: An Alphabetical Guide by Roshen Dalal use Asikni. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 07:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No opinion on whether move should occur or not, but Asikni should probably be a WP:NOPRIMARY WP:DAB, targetting Asikni (goddess) and Asikni (river). ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 09:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I just checked few Sanskrit - English dictionaries and found out that the word "Asikni" means dark and was first used to describe the river in the Rigveda (c. 1500 BCE). I think that the page can remain as a redirect and Panchajani should be moved to Asikni (goddess). .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 11:21, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Assessment
Since you are the manager of WP: Hinduism, please tell how to give assessment to this article .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 16:21, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Article issues
Redtigerxyz Talk 17:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Close paraphrasing from Mani: "Birth and Marriage" para 1. Please reword
 * Rati - generally mentioned only as a daughter of Daksha created from his sweat; does not have a mother
 * Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Puranas by Swami Parmeshwaranand is not a copy paste of Mani's book; not WP:RS.
 * The Matsya Purana calls the daughter of Virana and wife of Daksha as Panchajani.

I will surely work on it .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 17:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I have changed as per your suggestions.
 * Vettam Mani, a scholar summaries —........., Please check.


 * Removed Rati, could not find her.


 * Removed the Encyclopedic Dictionary


 * I am not sure what are you talking about. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 11:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC)


 * For Mani, use quotes ("...") or write in your own words; this is superficial rewording. Please see Close paraphrasing. Add also Matsya Purana (I missed to add ref that day, need to go to my refs again); will check again. I have not any reference which calls Askini a Hindu goddess ("devi") explicitly; similarly also Daksha is called a Prajapati (progenitor or agent of creation), not a Hindu god (deva), sometimes a rishi (Constance A. Jones and James D. Ryan in Encyclopedia of Hinduism).-- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, as per my knowledge Daksha is a demi god. (Mentioned in the sources of Sati article) .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 13:38, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't know how close paraphrasing works, so I have just added the direct words of the author. Please remove if there's some copyright issues. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 14:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Good Article
How is this article remotely comprehensive? TrangaBellam (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * And, how are the following sources reliable for academic Indology?
 * Bibek Debroy
 * Baby Names for Girls
 * PrabhupadaBooks.Com?
 * Invading the Sacred
 * Gopalakrisna N. Bhat
 * J H Dave
 * TrangaBellam (talk) 17:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Though Bibek Debroy is an economist, his works are reliable and are of academic level. You may about google him. Prabhupada is used as a translation and translational are acceptable. Invading the secret (despite its controversy), Gopal... give inline citation and reference to a primary scriptures, making them WP: Secondary. I don't know where JH dave is mentioned. With regards, . 245CMR . •👥📜 18:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Show me a publication in Indology (over any top-tier academic journal or book published by academic press) which speaks highly of Debroy's translations.
 * See a damning review of Debroy's Ramayana over
 * find Debroy noting of the Brahma Purana to only mention 50 daughters. But, Peter Schreiner's famed critical edition states a figure of 60. How do you explain this?
 * [T]ranslational are acceptable, no. That is much more of a GV commentary which has been critiqued by non-adherents.
 * See
 * A source does not become reliable if it provides inline citation to primary scriptures. Inv. the Sacred is from the Hindutva Cottage Industry, which no decent academic takes seriously. Gopal had no meaningful peer-review.
 * There is a source by Jayantakrishna Harikrishna Dave.
 * What about my first point about the lack of comprehensiveness? TrangaBellam (talk) 04:16, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I have removed all the poor sources. How does errors like these persist through a GAR? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Do you oppose a de-list? TrangaBellam (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Why do you say it is not comprehensive? It's short, but I'm not sure what else there is to say. --Cerebellum (talk) 09:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Edits

 * Daksha of the Vedic Pantheon and Daksha of the Purannic pantheon are not same. His evolution has been studied in detail by Klostermaier, J. Bruce Long and others. Asikni is his wife in the Puranas; not in Vedas/Brahmanas. Please do not remove relevant details.
 * Is there any policy/guideline which states that lines used in a DYK shall stay? If there exists no such rule:
 * Your statement implies that Daksha had realized the necessity of copulation but didn't have a wife to engage with. So, he went to a penance to please Vishnu and win a wife.
 * My reading of the Puranas and the embedded creation-myth differ. Daksha intended to please Vishnu so that he might know of a way to populate the Earth. Then, Vishnu told him of copulation and granted Aksini. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)