Talk:Asociación de Víctimas del Terrorismo

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 * Whilst all foreign secret services, all police reports and all other political parties in Spain contend that this terrorist act was committed by Al Qaeda solely

This is unsourced and rebutted nonsense. I removed this line.

See a rebuttal of this (unsourced) claim here.


 * While the bombers may have been inspired by Bin Laden, a two-year investigation into the attacks has found no evidence that al-Qa'ida helped plan, finance or carry out the bombings, or even knew about them in advance.

Randroide 15:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC) ~ - Per WP:MOS, I have removed the link of the 2004 Madrid bomb section title:

As a general rule, do not put links in:

the boldface title or synonym in the article’s first mention

 or any section title.

Cheers Raystorm 11:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

O.K. Thank you very much for the information (and the link), Raystorm. CU. Randroide 13:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced texts

 * These consider that the explanation of facts provided by the Spanish Judiciary (signaling the al-Qaeda organization as the sole author of the attack) is satisfactory.

Seems that the association headed by Pilar Manjon has no website (!?).

The answer that she provides in the "Mundo Obrero" interview about what the h**l does she think about the issue of who commited the bombings is too obscure for my understanding.

I keep searching and I ask for help. Randroide 14:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * However, the AVT has thereafter expressed doubts about the Socialist government's will (which came to power after the general election held only three days after the attacks) to investigate the bombings, since the Parliamentary Commission dealing with clarifying the events surrounding the attacks was closed and published its conclusions sooner than the AVT wanted to . 


 * The conservative Partido Popular, as well as some right-wing media, such as the COPE radio station or the El Mundo newspaper, insist on alternative theories involving either ETA, the Moroccan Secret Services or the Spanish police in preparing these terrorist bombings .

Southofwatford 20:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC) Using an article about the AVT as a pretext to float conspiracy theories about the Madrid bombings is a ridiculous and absurd abuse of Wikipedia. The AVT represents a handful of victims of the 11th March bombings in the forthcoming trial, and is closely linked to the Partido Popular.

Randroide 10:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC) The article is about the AVT, and the AVT has some (sourced) positions about the Madrid bombings. Those positions are kosher for the article.


 * The AVT represents a handful of victims of the 11th March bombings in the forthcoming trial, and is closely linked to the Partido Popular.

If you can source that (alleged) link to the PP, please add that (sourced) fact to the article.

Distinguish between Opinions and Facts
The overall tone of this article seems to support controversy without limiting itself to explain the position of the AVT on specific issues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sputnikenmeister (talk • contribs) 19:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Could you please point to specific lines "supporting controversy"?. Those lines should be corrected, of course.

To sign, please type four "~" ("AltGr" plus 4 times "4"). Randroide 19:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Open questions made by the AVT
The question under debate is whether the following text should be included at all in the article:


 * "In the aforementioned PDF the AVT asks why there are no pictures of the alleged perpetrators, like in the 7 July 2005 London bombings, why is unknown the type of explosives that went off in the trains, why there are so much Spanish police informers among the alleged perpetrators,how is possible that the alleged perpetrators were under surveillance and infiltrated by the Spanish and how is possible that a spanish policeman [Maussili Kalaji] liberated the cellular phones used in the bombings, and that a Guardia Civil agent provided weapons to the alleged perpetrators."

A lengthy discussion can be found in this talk page, in sections 3, 4 and 5 archive. G. C. Hood (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Statements by editors previously involved in dispute

Disclaimer: I (Isilanes) am quoting/summarizing opinions by other editors (Randroide, Southofwarford and Igor21) below. Any error in doing so is unintentional, and fully addressable to myself, not the alleged authors of the coments.


 * Randroide: The questions are sourced, and it is not doubted whether the AVT (subject of the article) said them (dowloaded from the AVT page), therefore, they belong in the article. Not contentious at all: They are simply asking (uncomfortable) questions, protected by WP:CENSOR. My adversaries are free to add sourced rebuttals, if that is their wish.


 * Isilanes: The questions are contentious and argumentative, and thus out of place by WP:SYN. Moreover, their inclusion is uninformative, and is just advertising for the ideas of the AVT, and thus out of place by WP:NOT.


 * Southofwatford: The accusations made cannot be dealt with properly in this article, so they should not be presented here. It is enough to put the source and the link to the controversies page on the Madrid bombings. Any attempt here to deal with some very serious accusations not substantiated by the source provided would lead inevitably to content forking from the controversies article on the Madrid bombings.


 * Igor21: the text violates WP:NOT and WP:UNDUE.

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