Talk:Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin

"Shock for most of the Israeli public..."
Do we really need a citation to back up the fact that the unexpected assassination of a prime minister by a terrorist shocked a country? It seems quite obvious to me. Anyway, some of the comments on the BBC forum for that day seem to reflect shock, not only in Israeli citizens, but also all over the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/witness/november/4/newsid_3211000/3211376.stm

Plus, every year, in the anniversary of Rabin's death, commemoration rallies are held. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/205476.stm or http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_205000/205153.stm and other pages on BBc news.

I suggest the citation needed caption should be removed. B part 16:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories
If there are alternate theories of the assassination, they aren't really "trivia" are they? If they exist, they should be elaborated rather than merely insinuated.
 * Anon, the conspiracy theories are elaborated in their own article. gidonb 08:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Certainly not trivia. It is well accepted that Peres ordered the assasination as he could not have the oslo accords revoked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.34.166 (talk) 16:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * this is only accepted by nutjobs . . . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.36.161 (talk) 04:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Quotes
Quotes are here, please do not add them to article. --Haham hanuka 14:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * These quotes are highly relevant for describing the murder. One is an iconic text, the other an expression by then the GSS director that sheds light at the preformance of the GSS during the murder. gidonb 14:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

''Rabin's grave carries a special headstone. Traditionally on Mount Herzl, soldiers are marked with white headstones and politicians with black ones. Because of Rabin's status as both a soldier and a statesman, his grave carries both markers.'' this makes no sense, as most if not all politicians in Israel are former soldiers. furthermore, the two markers on the grave are not both for Yitzhak, only the black one is, the white stone is actually the marker for Leah Rabin, his wife.

Eitan Haber's words
Translating his words must be difficult, but either way translating 'tadhema' in this case to 'amazement' is wrong, so I changed it to 'dismay', which morfix lists as an appropriate translation for the word. Pity the distinction Haber used by saying "yagon amok" instead of the traditional "yagon koder" can't really be translated or the effect conveyed.. --Telecart 18:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

"Execution"?
Why is the murder of the Israeli Prime Minister Rabin referred to as an "execution" in this article? The word execution confers some aura of justification to what was obviously a terrorist crime. Why no discussion of the assassin, his purported justifications and his political goals? A wider discussion of the political consequences of the assassination would be useful. 208.100.234.158 17:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Was just vandalism that should've been reverted, which I just did. Noon 17:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed from article
"The assassination led to the resignation of Shin Bet (also known as Shabak) chief Carmi Gillon, who was abroad when the murder took place.." I removed this from the article. Neutralitytalk 19:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

killer's name
the name of the murderer shouldn't be stated so as to obliterate his memory.

Then go write a letter to my grey-haired mother, An' tell her the cowboy that she loved has gone. But please not one word of the man who had killed me. Don't mention his name and his name will pass on."

(Johnny Cash, Streets of Laredo) Telaviv1 (talk) 11:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Amazingly short
This article is amazingly short, given that it is as important (if not more so) than e.g. the John F. Kennedy assassination. Superm401 - Talk 10:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Rabin was "rushed" to hospital
Didn't the police-escorted car containing a seriously injured VIP take 22 minutes for a journey which can be walked in five? Is that "rushed"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.211.148 (talk) 02:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Speculative texts
I have moved this to talk page because it seems to be the opionion of author who wrote a very general book about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. gidonb (talk) 19:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ==Near-term and Long-term Consequences==

Rabin’s assassination had a debilitating effect on future prospects for Israeli and Palestinian leadership to come together and implement a series of steps to achieve an agreeable permanent status agreement. The assassination signaled that Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories had become, as it remains to be today, an explosive point of issue. The lasting influence of Rabin’s death are surmised by author Charles D. Smith: “The specter of future assassination or civil war in Israel if many settlements were removed appears to have encouraged Israeli prime ministers such as Ehud Barak to back settlement expansion while declaring their eagerness for peace with the Palestinians, and to have led U.S. negotiators to tolerate such developments for the sake of Israel’s domestic political stability while aware of their negative impact on the peace process itself.” (450 Smith)

Additionally, the assassination heightened tension between the Labor and Likud parties to an unprecedented level. The emotionally-charged climate, still simmering a year after Rabin’s death, was evidenced by Netanyahu’s refusal to declare the day Rabin was assassinated a national day of mourning, as well as Rabin’s widow’s subsequent refusal to let Netanyahu speak at a memorial ceremony for her husband (466 Smith).

The political consequences that unfolded as a result of Rabin’s passing ultimately derailed the Oslo peace process, and stalled prospects for another means to achieve a peace for some time. Upon Rabin’s death, Shimon Peres succeeded him as prime minister. Peres almost immediately made good on several key promises made by the Israeli government at the Oslo Accords. Smith writes, “Israeli forces withdrew from the six major population centers in Area A and from over 400 villages of Area B by the end of 1995. Elections for the Palestinian self-governing authority were held on January 20, 1996, thus completing the procedures first outlined in the 1993 Declaration of Principles.” (469 Smith) Peres then promptly called for early elections, moving them from November to late May, to gain a mandate to push forward with the peace process. Although initially leading in the polls, events such as the killing of Yahya Ayyash and the subsequent violence proved to be Peres’ downfall. Netanyahu was elected to office in June 1996 and, as a long-time opponent of the Oslo peace process, he sought to inhibit its implementation once he was made head of the Israeli government.


 * ==Further reading==


 * Smith, Charles D. Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict A History with Documents, ISBN 0-3124-3736-6

Not balanced
The "Yigal Amir" section is not balanced. It presents the view of someone who rejects Amir's interpretation of Tanakh, but it doesn't present anything by Amir or those who agree with his interpretation. If anything agreeing with Amir has been published, it should be added. If nothing has been published, a statement should be added to say that nothing has been published. Giving only the view of a rabbi who disagrees with him has the effect of saying "He read the text this way, but scholars disagree with him, so he was obviously wrong." 2001:18E8:2:1020:933:573C:3F71:6541 (talk) 19:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 March 2018
The security guard Yoram Rubin is wikilinked in the Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin section, but he has no article and it's a redirect back to this article so the link should be removed. kyykaarme (talk) 18:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thank you for pointing that out. The Yoram Rubin article was merged and redirected here almost a decade ago so the circular link has survived for quite a long while.   Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The link was added in 2016, so "only" 1,5 years. Thanks for the edit! -kyykaarme (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Since some folks are coming up with some very strange justifications for their reverts:
.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Also, for terrorism to be "religious terrorism" it just requires a significant part of the motivation to be religious in nature. Despite the edit summary of the next reverter, the article does cover that. Search for din rodef. Personally I don't like categories like this, but if we have them we have to treat them in a balanced fashion. Zerotalk 05:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. Also, at the related article on the assassin, Yigal Amir, where the same editors are edit warring, it clearly states " "The attempt to grant religious authority to the murder...is completely inappropriate and amounts to cynical exploitation of Jewish law for goals that are alien to Judaism."" which emphasizes the religious aspect - as claimed by the assassin himself - of this event.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:26, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The assassin relating to Jewish law does not make the motivation religious. Calling the assassination an act of terrorism is also not sourced - no terrorism in Assassination of John F. Kennedy.Icewhiz (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "The assassin relating to Jewish law does not make the motivation religious." - oh please! Which part of "''" "The attempt to grant RELIGIOUS authority to the murder..." is unclear? Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * See also .Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

For the terrorism part:

This is borderline ridiculous.Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

This article is very problematic.
It seems I am not able to edit this page. I understand why that might be, but as it stands this page is awful... and I don't mean the political awful for which the editorial locks might be in place: the page is objectively badly written whatever position any given reader might take. To give but one example, the phrase "The assassination of Israeli Prime Minister and Defence Minister Yitzhak Rabin was the culmination of an anti-violence rally" makes it sound as if the actual aim of the "anti-violence rally" was to assassinate the PM. This paints a picture that is uniquely opposite to the actual events: What is meant, obviously, is that the assassination occurred simultaneous to the culmination of the rally... but not that the assassination was the culmination. I have no words for how egregiously bad is this sentence and the dramatically awful reflection this is upon wikipedia. It does not get better from there... Has this article been locked to all but fifth graders? TreebeardTheEnt (talk) 00:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 November 2020
Change Marcheshvan to just Cheshvan. Cheshvan is the name of the month, Mar Cheshvan is a nickname for the month based on the fact that it has no holidays (see the Wiki page it hyperlinks to which is correct) 68.134.112.81 (talk) 15:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that the most common name should be used, which is probably Cheshvan. However, for the record, your reason is incorrect. Marcheshvan is not a nickname for Cheshvan. It is the other way around: Marcheshvan is the original name derived from the Babylonian calendar and Cheshvan is an abbreviation of it. This article explains it and more secular sources could be added. Zerotalk 21:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 April 2021
The article states that Bar Ilan is a religious university, however, although Bar Ilan caters to the religious community, there is no mandatory participation in any religious class or program, as such, it has a diverse student body and should not be considered a religious university.

Source: https://biuinternational.com/religious-life-on-campus/#:~:text=Although%20Bar-Ilan%20University%20is,%2C%20spiritual%20traditions%2C%20and%20cultures. מיכאל אליהו ק (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I see no such description of Bar-Ilan in this article. If I've missed it, please feel free to reopen this request (set "yes" to "no" in the template text above) and be more specific as to the text that should be changed. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:55, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Request to change the main photo
i request to change the main photo to this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Song_For_Peace.png or the original which has a journalist holding the paper: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Assassination_of_Prime_Minister_Yitzhak_Rabin,_1995_XI_Dan_Hadani_Archive.jpg it's a photo of a man holding the paper, soaked with rabin's blood, which held the song " a song for peace " which Rabin had in his pocket while he was shot. it's a much more powerful image than the location of the murder. i suggest to change the photos זים הפולש (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2023
Add a hyperlink explaining the Din Rodef in the Background section of the article. There is an article about the Rodef (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodef). Marcel Grote (talk) 13:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done The section has 2 links to the same article. Won't add any more to avoid WP:OVERLINK. NotAGenious (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 December 2023
Footnote 3 requires a page number. That page number is 331-32. I just looked up the book and checked it against every instance of the references in the text to footnote 3. Michael Zigismund (talk) 14:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅  Delta  space 42 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 December 2023
Footnote 7 requires a page number from Thiel (2016). I found the 2009 edition, the page number for which is 196. Michael Zigismund (talk) 12:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ It's 196 in 2016 edition as well, I've just checked in Google Books.  Delta  space 42 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2024
This has a gramatic mistake. It should say "Yitzhak Rabin came immediately after..." instead of follow. Thanks.Pritagros (talk) 11:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 14:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't this line explain briefly what din rodef means? aka sanctioned killing? I wasn't aware until I read the hyperlinked article
Some rabbis proclaimed din rodef, based on a traditional Jewish law of self-defense, against Rabin personally, arguing that the Oslo Accords would endanger Jewish lives. 2001:569:7F24:B00:1FC:914D:A4A5:C204 (talk) 20:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Typo shows laziness, or political failure of the whole project?
Can someone with editorial license correct the following:

"Due to the ultimate failure of further progress on the Oslo Accords. There..." It's as if the senior editors don't even read their own shit, or are so concerned with content they forget that an encyclopedia can be readable. It's BS like this that makes quietly working away in a corner of the scriptorium unpalatable. Tesugi (talk) 01:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The tone of your comment doesn't exactly motivate me (a volunteer) to take action on this. Perhaps you'll get luckier with a different volunteer. – Novem Linguae (talk) 02:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)