Talk:Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac

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This page is a disambiguation page. Many articles redirects to this page, for example people who doesn't choose side, people who calls themselves Assyrian/Syriac. The article shouldn't redirect then to Assyrian people and by that taking a side (wrongfully). The TriZ (talk) 13:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

"Assyrian people" is the article about the "Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac people" as a whole, just check the population count in the infobox, the history section etc. Also, Assyrian genocide is the article about the genocide as a whole, we do not have separate sections about "Syriac genocide" or a "Chaldean genocide". If you disagree with this, come to Talk:Assyrian people and seek consensus to move the article to another title. --dab (𒁳) 13:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe you're wrong here dab, "Assyrian people" is about the Assyrian people, "Aramean-Syriac people" is about the Syriac people, and "Chaldean Christians" (should be changed to Chaldean people) is about the Chaldean people. The population in the infobox in Assyrian people is less than the population in the Aramean-Syriac peoples article. But I do agree about the genocide article. It should only be one, but the current isn't good enough since it only refers to Assyrians and it contains alot of Assyrian POV, like this for example, "Other groups, especially those that do not wish to use the ethnic identifier Assyrian, refer to the genocide as Saypā (ܣܝܦܐ), pronounced Sayfo in the West Syriac dialect, meaning "sword".". The TriZ (talk) 19:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The term "Assyrian" is inclusive.--Suryoyo othuroyo (talk) 02:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

"West Assyrians or Syriac Assyrians..." is just more POV than it was before. And no, the term "Assyrian" is NOT inclusive. That is what this is all about. It is NOT! The TriZ (talk) 14:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Aramean is POV and does not include all of the Syriac people. And the genocide has always been referred to as the "Assyrian Genocide" which includes Syriacs, Chaldeans, and Nestorians. "Assyrian" is inclusive.--Suryoyo othuroyo (talk) 07:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Aramean is as much POV as Assyrian. The genocide hasn't always been refered to as the "Assyrian genocide". Again, Assyrian is NOT inclusive. The TriZ (talk) 11:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It has always been referred to as the "Assyrian Genocide" and is oficially recognized as the "Assyrian Genocide" by the International Association of Genocide Scholars. "Assyrian" is inclusive.--Suryoyo othuroyo (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The term "Assyrian" as used by our Assyrian people article is inclusive. Again, if you want to discuss this, come to Talk:Assyrian people. --dab (𒁳) 14:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Dab, are you serious? Have you seen that there is an Aramean-Syriac people article? I'm not taking the discussion to Talk:Assyrian people, since that ain't the place for it. Again, Syriac is inclusive, Asssyrian is NOT. And the Assyrian Genocide article is biased and extremly unbalanced. The TriZ (talk) 19:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Syriac is a type of Assyrian -- a West Assyrian and member of the Syriac Church. Assyrian is inclusive.--Am6212 (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Why are you repeating what your other friend just said? Your not contributing. Assyrian is NOT inlusive. Syriac IS. The TriZ (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Only members of the Syriac Church use "Syriac", Chaldeans and Nestorians do not. But members from all three churches do use "Assyrian". It is inclusive.--Suryoyo othuroyo (talk) 22:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said, you have no clue about what your talking about. For example, see this, by user:Chaldean. The TriZ (talk) 00:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The Syriac church is multi-ethnic containing Assyrians, Arameans, Indians, etc. "Syriac" is only inclusive in terms of religion. "Assyrian" is inclusive in terms of ethnicity containing Syriacs, Chaldeans, and Nestorians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suryoyo othuroyo (talk • contribs) 04:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Again, your only repeating untrue things. Heard of Joseph Goebbels? The TriZ (talk) 23:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

"Assyrian" is inclusive. --Am6212 (talk) 04:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, seems the propaganda is working. Your just like the Nazis, "Repeat a lie often enough and the people will believe it.". The TriZ (talk) 12:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

NOTE: personal attacks are not allowed. Ottre 20:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

You have an Aramean page. No one is forcing you to be a part of the other ones. Leave the pages alone.--Suryoyo othuroyo (talk) 20:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

This article obviously aims at all the three groups, therefore it should serve as disambiguation page, in a purpose to clarify for the reader which groups are included in the name. The TriZ (talk) 00:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The fact is that most sources treat this group as a single group under several names. "Assyrian people" has been the most common English name during the 20th century, but the US census now uses "Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac" to reflect the internal dispute. We need this redirect because it is the name used by the oficial US census. The Wikipedia article on the group called "Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac" by the US census resides at Assyrian people at present. We can move it. Place a move template at Talk:Assyrian people and we can discuss it. --dab (𒁳) 10:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its not that simple dab. The group might see themselves as ONE in the US, thus the US census reflecting that, but that is not the case in other places in the world, and specifically in Europe. Wikipedia does not say we are obligated to use whatever the US Census uses, instead it says use the most common term. You have stated what that term is. Iraqi (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)